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#441 Postby curtadams » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:20 pm

cpdaman wrote:the LLC came across /very near clearwater beach at 836 this morning

out of all the bouys in the area it is the only one with winds over 30 mph (32mph) for a six minute interval between only

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=cwbf1

after this the pressure rose from 29.52 but the winds stayed from a southerly direction


Actually that shows the LLC never came anywhere near that buoy. Three points:
1) slow shift in wind direction. 2 hours from SSE to WNW.
2) no spikey drop in pressure. It's pretty flat.
3) no period of low winds

3) is consistent with a sort-of near pass of the LLC. But 1 and 2 are not.
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#442 Postby curtadams » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:28 pm

artist wrote:
curtadams wrote:
Frank2 wrote:Interesting to note the incredible difference between the overall circulation of Barry and Barbara (lower left):

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/browsh.html

very breezy to windy here overnight - my guess is that the area (central Broward County) had about 3 inches of rain...

I'm not entirely sure that should be called "Barry". Barry the tropical storm was formed by and coincident with a large extratropical storm caused by a big divergence in the subtropical jet. That extratropical storm is still there, causing almost all the clouds you're seeing and those strong winds on the E coast of Fl. But, unlike Andrea, it didn't seem like one subtropical storm to me, it seemed like two different storms with little connection after the start. Certainly if you're going to call all that mess "Barry" then you have to say Barry wasn't fully tropical, or even mostly tropical, because all that weather had little to do with the warm-core LLC that came ashore in the Tampa area.

curt - recon went out and sampled the storm thus the reason for naming him. All the criteria were there - closed circulation, warm core, wind speeds, etc.
Oh, I understand that. But the (clearly) warm-core thing they observed wasn't causing gale winds off the E coast. NHC labelled Barry "tropical", implying they also think of this as two separate storms. I'm thinking now there were two separate lows - the tight LLC (Barry) which came ashore near Sarasota and a broad extratropical low to the NW which is what made the pressure keep dropping in Tampa even after the LLC came ashore.

I'm saying if you want to consider all the stuff off the E coast and in GA as "Barry remnant" then you have to define Barry as the whole thing, which wasn't tropical even though that one spot clearly was.
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#443 Postby chadtm80 » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:50 pm

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#445 Postby cpdaman » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:57 pm

curt i stand corrected partially very partially


the pressure was lowest between 8-9 at clear water beach 29.52 and then slowly rose to 29.58 which statistically speaking is a significant change

the remnant LLC low (which was broad and very poorly defined) went inland over clear water beach at that time (830) ish on a NE angle

and now you can see (last hour) 1615 utc the other spin (that WXMAN alluded to earlier (nw of tampa)) seems to have reformed /consolidated and moving onshore about 15 miles to the north of clearwater beach

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/loop-vis.html

circa http://seaboard.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_p ... tion=ancf1

you can see the pressure at this location (15 miles north of clearwater beach) took a dip around 9 am (29.58) while the lowest pressure was in clearwater beach (29.52) and that now again as the consolidating low comes ashore again the pressure lowered again from the (10am= 29.60) down to 29.57

so i could have said at 836 the lowest pressures of the broad poorly defined / struggling to reform a LLC storm called barry came ashore near clearwater beach
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#446 Postby DrewFL » Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:51 pm

Last advisory on Barry.


TROPICAL DEPRESSION BARRY ADVISORY NUMBER 5
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL022007
500 PM EDT SAT JUN 02 2007

...BARRY RAPIDLY BECOMING EXTRATROPICAL...

AT 500 PM EDT...2100Z...THE POORLY-DEFINED CENTER OF TROPICAL
DEPRESSION BARRY WAS LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 30.4 NORTH...LONGITUDE
81.6 WEST...VERY NEAR JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA.

THE DEPRESSION IS MOVING TOWARD THE NORTH-NORTHEAST NEAR 23 MPH AND
THIS GENERAL MOTION IS EXPECTED TONIGHT AND SUNDAY.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 35 MPH...55 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER
GUSTS. BARRY IS FORECAST TO BECOME EXTRATROPICAL TONIGHT.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 1000 MB...29.53 INCHES.

BARRY IS EXPECTED TO PRODUCE TOTAL RAINFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF 2 TO 4
INCHES FROM EASTERN GEORGIA UP THROUGH THE EASTERN CAROLINAS INTO
COASTAL SECTIONS OF VIRGINA...MARYLAND AND DELAWARE. ISOLATED
MAXIMUM AMOUNTS OF 5 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE.

ADDITIONAL ISOLATED RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 1 TO 2 INCHES ARE STILL
POSSIBLE OVER PORTIONS OF CENTRAL CUBA.

REPEATING THE 500 PM EDT POSITION...30.4 N...81.6 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...NORTH-NORTHEAST NEAR 23 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35
MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1000 MB.

THIS IS THE LAST PUBLIC ADVISORY ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE
CENTER ON THIS SYSTEM. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION PLEASE CONSULT
PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.
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#447 Postby wxman57 » Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:59 pm

He's dead, Jim! NEXT!
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#448 Postby DanKellFla » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:04 pm

Buh BYE
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#449 Postby Opal storm » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:08 pm

wxman57 wrote:He's dead, Jim! NEXT!

You're 12 hours late. :wink:
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#450 Postby jdray » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:44 pm

Decent pressure drop right now.

998mb right now,

winds just switched around to the SW, brought me 1.93 inches of rain today.
Maximum winds of 18mph.


Thanks Barry, you were what the doctor ordered.

http://synplanet.com/weather/myweather.html
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#451 Postby jaxfladude » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:45 pm

Opal storm wrote:
wxman57 wrote:He's dead, Jim! NEXT!

You're 12 hours late. :wink:
Season cancel.......
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#452 Postby Brent » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:50 pm

wxman57 wrote:He's dead, Jim! NEXT!


He was dead to me about 18 hours ago. :P

The rain shield from Barry is about 30 miles east of here and not moving any further west. Blah. Thanks a lot.
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#453 Postby jdray » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:55 pm

Brent wrote:
wxman57 wrote:He's dead, Jim! NEXT!


He was dead to me about 18 hours ago. :P

The rain shield from Barry is about 30 miles east of here and not moving any further west. Blah. Thanks a lot.


Sorry man, I only got 1.8 inches.
We all need more rain......

:(
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#454 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:38 pm

I would have to agree with Fact789

This was a full blown tropical storm at landfall
because the squall line, the northeast quadrant
produced sustained winds of at least 40 mph with
gusts to 50+ mph for a 5-10 minute period just
before the calm of the eye.
I'd say it looked sustained 40-45 mph with
gusts of 50-60 mph easily, because it got
very rough and violent with the squall.
In fact, it looked similar to the close up winds
that I have seen during severe thunderstorms.
Now after the squall it did not seem like a tropical
storm because winds went calm but that was the "eye"
that's why it was calm.

And we got quite a rise in surge 3-4 feet easily.
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#455 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:42 pm

Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:I would have to agree with Fact789

This was a full blown tropical storm at landfall
because the squall line, the northeast quadrant
produced sustained winds of at least 40 mph with
gusts to 50+ mph for a 5-10 minute period just
before the calm of the eye.
I'd say it looked sustained 40-45 mph with
gusts of 50-60 mph easily, because it got
very rough and violent with the squall.
In fact, it looked similar to the close up winds
that I have seen during severe thunderstorms.
Now after the squall it did not seem like a tropical
storm because winds went calm but that was the "eye"
that's why it was calm.

And we got quite a rise in surge 3-4 feet easily.
any wind damage? 50-60mph gusts would have surely left a mark..right (Branches down, bent signs, etc)?
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#456 Postby Opal storm » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:45 pm

jdray wrote:
Brent wrote:
wxman57 wrote:He's dead, Jim! NEXT!


He was dead to me about 18 hours ago. :P

The rain shield from Barry is about 30 miles east of here and not moving any further west. Blah. Thanks a lot.


Sorry man, I only got 1.8 inches.
We all need more rain......

:(

You beat me...my total amount of rain from Barry is nada! We are frying up here in the panhandle.
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#457 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:49 pm

Yes small to medium branches down
Also pool furniture and a few potted plants
knocked down but nothing major thankfully.
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#458 Postby cpdaman » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:54 pm

highest gust recorded (on shore) 48 mph

sombrero key (near key west) frequently gusted over tropical storm force
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#459 Postby MiamiensisWx » Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:03 pm

Pompano Beach (Broward County) recorded a gust of 42KT (48 mph) in a heavier band of precipitation. This occurred within the morning hours. I'm uncertain with respect to the accuracy of this data, but I decided to mention it here. Although damage is minimal, the effects have been more significant than Ernesto (2006). Unlike Ernesto, several small branches were broken by gusty winds. In addition, some palm fronds were lying on the ground. Overall effects were insignificant. The precipitation was quite beneficial.
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#460 Postby JonathanBelles » Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:14 pm

I dont have any damage here. Small twigs down, but that is it. I might go out tomorrow and look for damage in the area, depending onm plans. I am still amazed at how blue the skies were during the "eye" of the storm. Now if the clouds can get out of here it would be a good day tomorrow.
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