Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa (Is Invest 95L)

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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#461 Postby BigB0882 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:15 am

GCANE wrote:This is the largest moisture convergence I have seen all year.
Pulling everything out of the ITCZ all the way to South America.
Even cutting off Rene and Paulette.
Its the whole monsoon trough rolled up into a powder keg.


https://i.imgur.com/edmGgud.png

https://i.imgur.com/os0aKrT.png


Would that suggest that this will be a very large system when/if it forms? It seems we have had a lot of tiny storms this season and none that I can recall thinking were large.
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#462 Postby EquusStorm » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:22 am

NDG wrote:


If at least one of the disturbances in the GOM develops next week along with the emerging AEWs we could have 5 tropical systems in the Atlantic basin next week, incredible.
Does anyone what is the record?


I think the record is 5 at once including a depression or two set in 1971 but could be wrong.

I get the feeling that season cancel and ACE complaints will abruptly end by the end of next week
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#463 Postby plasticup » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:49 am

EquusStorm wrote:
NDG wrote:


If at least one of the disturbances in the GOM develops next week along with the emerging AEWs we could have 5 tropical systems in the Atlantic basin next week, incredible.
Does anyone what is the record?


I think the record is 5 at once including a depression or two set in 1971 but could be wrong.

I get the feeling that season cancel and ACE complaints will abruptly end by the end of next week


The complaint people are making now is that yes this is an above average season and yes we are going to use Greek names and yes it will probably meet the hyperactive criteria as well and yes we are deeper into the name list than ever before but 2005 had more majors at this time of year so 2020 is basically a dud.

Like we aren't watching one of the most remarkable hurricane seasons of all time unfold before our eyes.
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#464 Postby ouragans » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:52 am

NDG wrote:


If at least one of the disturbances in the GOM develops next week along with the emerging AEWs we could have 5 tropical systems in the Atlantic basin next week, incredible.
Does anyone what is the record?

The record is 5, in 1995 between August 22nd and 29th. There was Humberto, Iris, Jerry, Karen and Luis all together.

My trouble is what happens if there are more than 6, knowing that NHC advisories TCPAT are numbered 1 to 6
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#465 Postby us89 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:57 am

ouragans wrote:
NDG wrote:


If at least one of the disturbances in the GOM develops next week along with the emerging AEWs we could have 5 tropical systems in the Atlantic basin next week, incredible.
Does anyone what is the record?

The record is 5, in 1995 between August 22nd and 29th. There was Humberto, Iris, Jerry, Karen and Luis all together.

My trouble is what happens if there are more than 6, knowing that NHC advisories TCPAT are numbered 1 to 6


They're only numbered 1 through 5 - so it would only take 6 concurrent storms to break that system.
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#466 Postby plasticup » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:02 am

us89 wrote:
ouragans wrote:
NDG wrote:
If at least one of the disturbances in the GOM develops next week along with the emerging AEWs we could have 5 tropical systems in the Atlantic basin next week, incredible.
Does anyone what is the record?

The record is 5, in 1995 between August 22nd and 29th. There was Humberto, Iris, Jerry, Karen and Luis all together.

My trouble is what happens if there are more than 6, knowing that NHC advisories TCPAT are numbered 1 to 6


They're only numbered 1 through 5 - so it would only take 6 concurrent storms to break that system.


That seems like a poor design.
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#467 Postby ouragans » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:07 am

us89 wrote:
ouragans wrote:My trouble is what happens if there are more than 6, knowing that NHC advisories TCPAT are numbered 1 to 6


They're only numbered 1 through 5 - so it would only take 6 concurrent storms to break that system.

That's even worse... because it's more than possible. 2020, guys...
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#468 Postby TheStormExpert » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:08 am

ouragans wrote:
us89 wrote:
ouragans wrote:My trouble is what happens if there are more than 6, knowing that NHC advisories TCPAT are numbered 1 to 6


They're only numbered 1 through 5 - so it would only take 6 concurrent storms to break that system.

That's even worse... because it's more than possible. 2020, guys...

What’s this system you’re speaking of? Never heard of it.
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#469 Postby AutoPenalti » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:10 am

This is going to be one of the most complicated models runs of the year IMO.
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#470 Postby crownweather » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:11 am

plasticup wrote:
us89 wrote:
ouragans wrote:The record is 5, in 1995 between August 22nd and 29th. There was Humberto, Iris, Jerry, Karen and Luis all together.

My trouble is what happens if there are more than 6, knowing that NHC advisories TCPAT are numbered 1 to 6


They're only numbered 1 through 5 - so it would only take 6 concurrent storms to break that system.


That seems like a poor design.


I just asked the question on Twitter. I'll let you know if/when I get an answer.
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#471 Postby Cat5James » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:13 am

Who else is anxiously awaiting the 12Z model runs?? :eek:
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#472 Postby Spacecoast » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:16 am

06z GEFS Tracks 0-144hr:

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0Z ECMF Tracks 0-240hr
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#473 Postby us89 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:23 am

TheStormExpert wrote:
ouragans wrote:
us89 wrote:
They're only numbered 1 through 5 - so it would only take 6 concurrent storms to break that system.

That's even worse... because it's more than possible. 2020, guys...

What’s this system you’re speaking of? Never heard of it.


It has to do with the NWS's product issuance systems...

Every bulletin the NWS sends out comes with a header code. For the NHC's tropical cyclone products, the first three letters are the product type, the next two are the basin, and the last is a number designating which storm it is. So, for example, the public advisories for Paulette are issued with the "TCPAT2" header - TCP for public advisory, AT for Atlantic, and 2 for the storm number. Discussions are TCDAT2, forecast advisories are TCMAT2, and so on.

When the next storm forms, the number is bumped up one. So Rene's advisory products are TCPAT3, TCDAT3, and so on. As new storms form, the storm number is increased until it gets to 5 - after which it resets back to 1. So basically, what this means is with the current system, the NHC does not have the capability to issue advisories on more than five tropical cyclones in one basin at the same time.
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#474 Postby LarryWx » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:25 am

Cat5James wrote:Who else is anxiously awaiting the 12Z model runs?? :eek:


The twists and turns for this have been some of the largest I can recall seeing. But then again, it has only just now reached water.
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#475 Postby GCANE » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:29 am

BigB0882 wrote:
GCANE wrote:This is the largest moisture convergence I have seen all year.
Pulling everything out of the ITCZ all the way to South America.
Even cutting off Rene and Paulette.
Its the whole monsoon trough rolled up into a powder keg.


https://i.imgur.com/edmGgud.png

https://i.imgur.com/os0aKrT.png


Would that suggest that this will be a very large system when/if it forms? It seems we have had a lot of tiny storms this season and none that I can recall thinking were large.


Need to see next day or two how big the LL vort is.
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#476 Postby ouragans » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:35 am

TheStormExpert wrote:What’s this system you’re speaking of? Never heard of it.

Advisories, Forecasts, Marine and Discussion bulletins hold a code to classify the type of message. TCPAT is for Advisory for an Atlantic (Tropical Cyclone Public message ATlantic). Each TC holds a number, 1 to 5, and when a 6 TC is classified, it starts over.

What happens if there are 6 TC?
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#477 Postby WeatherEmperor » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:36 am

The latest ICON now also shows the system

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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#478 Postby ouragans » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:37 am

And we are not alone with that question

 https://twitter.com/crownweather/status/1304074773467729927


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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#479 Postby tomatkins » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:37 am

LarryWx wrote:
Cat5James wrote:Who else is anxiously awaiting the 12Z model runs?? :eek:


The twists and turns for this have been some of the largest I can recall seeing. But then again, it has only just now reached water.

Not that it matters too much - but the ICON, which had been a holdout as far as spitting this thing out to the eastern Atlantic is now on board with the 12z run for a Caribbean track, with the eastern piece of the waves energy going north through the Cabo Verde islands.
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Re: Tropical Wave has emerged from West Africa

#480 Postby aspen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:55 am

12z GFS is rolling on Tropical Tidbits. It’s once again showing delayed development and two TCs, the lower-rider (this wave) and a northern system (the next wave).
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