Gulf Coast Disturbance (early August)

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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#481 Postby canefan » Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:57 pm

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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#482 Postby Stormcenter » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:06 pm

doesn't look like it's moving much does it? IMO
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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#483 Postby tolakram » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:20 pm

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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#484 Postby USTropics » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:41 pm

The latest 12z GFS total accumulated precipitation over the next 48 hours looks pretty ominous for portions of LA. Projecting 20+ inches:
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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#485 Postby USTropics » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:11 pm

The 12z CMC and NAM have the majority of the precipitation more north compared to the GFS, extending into portions of Mississippi:

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The GFS has handled this situation pretty well over the past 7 days compared to the CMC. Current circulation hasn't moved much inland per recent radar images. The majority of the deep convection is on the southern side as well.

The WRF also has a similar setup to the GFS:

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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#486 Postby BigB0882 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:15 pm

I live in Baton Rouge and it has been a steady rain that just wont stop. Not the heavy downpours you get with afternoon thunderstorms but the persistent tropical rain you would expect with this kind of system. If that GFS is right then we are in very big trouble as flooding is a major issue already around here. I can't imagine another 20 inches or even another 10! I am hoping it is over-doing it and the next run will show something different but the GFS is hard to ignore when you are talking about only 24 hours out. This also isn't about banding and wondering where it will set up because it is a steady rainfall over a very large area.
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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#487 Postby USTropics » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:23 pm

Total observed rainfall (in inches) from August 4th through 10:00AM ET today:

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LOUISIANA
DENHAM SPRINGS 4.1 NE                15.17                   
CENTRAL 2.2 SE                       13.68                   
BROWNFIELDS 4.0 E                    13.13                   
TICKFAW 2.0 SSW                      12.75                   
MONTICELLO 3.0 ENE                   12.72                   
BATON ROUGE 2.5 E                    10.29                   
MADISONVILLE 3.2 NNW                 10.23                   
FRANKLINTON                           9.25                   
KENTWOOD                              8.84         


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MISSISSIPPI
WAVELAND 1.0 NW                      11.00                   
PASS CHRISTIAN 3.5 NE                10.56                   
OCEAN SPRINGS 3.6 ESE                10.48                   
GLOSTER 1.9 SSW                      10.20                   
DIAMONDHEAD 0.4 E                     9.84                   
GULFPORT-BILOXI                       7.87                   
JACKSON WFO                           5.63                   
PASCAGOULA                            3.87 


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FLORIDA
PANAMA CITY BEACH 5.9 WNW            14.43                   
BRONSON 3.0 SE                       12.80                   
HATCH BEND 9 WNW                     12.40                   
VERO BEACH 2.4 W                     12.16                   
CROSS CITY ARPT                      10.98                   
TYNDALL AFB                          10.88                   
MIRAMAR BEACH 9.5 ESE                10.17                   
SPRING HILL 2.4 NW                   10.06                   
MIDWAY                               10.00                   
WEEKI WACHEE 7.1 NNE                  9.96                   
PENSACOLA NAS                         9.72                   
HORSESHOW BEACH                       8.90                   
VERO BEACH MUNI ARPT                  8.52                   
GULFPORT 0.9 NNW                      8.10                   
TALLAHASSEE 9.6 N                     6.88 


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ALABAMA
FOLEY 0.5 ESE                         7.58                   
FAIRHOPE 1.5 WSW                      7.45                   
SUMMERDALE 4.3 WSW                    7.03                   
EVERGREEN                             5.55                   
CAIRNS AAF/OZARK                      4.22                   
MOBILE DOWNTOWN AIRPORT               3.21
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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#488 Postby Sanibel » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:27 pm

Wow. The tropics are cookin good.
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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#489 Postby USTropics » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:28 pm

BigB0882 wrote:I live in Baton Rouge and it has been a steady rain that just wont stop. Not the heavy downpours you get with afternoon thunderstorms but the persistent tropical rain you would expect with this kind of system. If that GFS is right then we are in very big trouble as flooding is a major issue already around here. I can't imagine another 20 inches or even another 10! I am hoping it is over-doing it and the next run will show something different but the GFS is hard to ignore when you are talking about only 24 hours out. This also isn't about banding and wondering where it will set up because it is a steady rainfall over a very large area.


The GFS is most likely overdoing the total accumulated rainfall (the last 5-6 runs have consistently shown this scenario however). Blending the models together, I'd expect ~10 inches in central LA with isolated areas seeing 15 inches. The low pressure is starting to slowly move westward, but it's still going to pull in copious amounts of moisture from the GOM over the weekend.

A cold front currently situated over the Central Plains should merge with this low pressure system later in the forecast period. The CMC/NAM model indicate a northward shift as a result of this, which is a plausible scenario (and one LA residents are hoping for).
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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#490 Postby Ptarmigan » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:41 pm

bamajammer4eva wrote:An area South of Greensburg, La is showing over 40 inches radar estimate. I had a color table that went higher but don't remember where to find it but dragging the curser through the area showed this.

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40 inches is really high! I have not seen that amount measured.
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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#491 Postby chaser1 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:10 pm

Following this low all over the place feels just a little bit as if someone had taken what was to be Hurricane Elena from 1985 but accidentally shifter her about 100 miles too far to the north rather than over water.
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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#492 Postby SEASON_CANCELED » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:34 pm

I know we all are asking this but ,This wont develop overland will it?? (can it?)
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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#494 Postby USTropics » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:47 pm

Record Flooding in Southeast Louisiana May Get Worse
By: Bob Henson , 8:20 PM GMT on August 12, 2016

A devastating flood event was unfolding over southeast Louisiana on Friday, and conditions may get worse yet, as an extremely slow-moving center of low pressure is dumping colossal amounts of rain on the region. This sprawling, “stacked” low is carrying more water vapor than many tropical cyclones, and its slow motion is leading to persistent rains that could add up to all-time record totals in some places.

Multi-sensor analyses indicate that several areas in southeast Louisiana and southermost Mississippi racked up more than 6” of rain from 7:00 am CDT Thursday, August 11, to 7:00 am Friday (see Figure 1). More than 10” of rain was analyzed just northeast of Baton Rouge, the hardest-hit area thus far. In the 24 hours from 2:00 pm CDT Thursday to 2:00 pm Friday, Baton Rouge Metropolitan Airport recorded a preliminary total of 8.49” of rain. Since records began in 1892, the city’s largest calendar day total is 11.99” (set on April 14, 1967), and the largest two-day calendar total is 14.03” (June 6-7, 2001). Given the very slow motion of the stacked low, these all-time records are conceivably within reach. A cooperative observer in Livingston, LA, reported 17.09” of rain from midnight to 3:00 pm CDT Friday. The state’s official 24-hour record is 22 inches, reported near Hackberry on August 28-29, 1962.

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Figure 1. Multi-sensor rainfall analysis for the period from 7:00 am CDT Thursday, August 11, to 7:00 am Friday shows a gyre-like pattern of torrential rains spinning around a low in southern Mississippi. Image credit: NOAA/NWS Advanced Hydrologic Prediction Service.

As the low edges westward over the next 24-48 hours, the zone of heaviest rain potential will shift toward west Louisiana and east Texas, but southeast Louisiana will remain under the gun for more downpours at least into early Saturday. The short-range HRRR model produces another 2”-6” of widespread rain over southeast Louisiana through Saturday morning, with localized totals of 8-12” not out of the question.

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Figure 2. Enhanced infrared satellite image for the central Gulf Coast reveals the vast scope of the area of low pressure generating torrential rains in southeast Louisiana. Image credit: NOAA/NESDIS

Severe flood threat for Baton Rouge area
Both flash flooding and river flooding threats are looming large for southeast Louisiana, where flash flood warnings were in place on Friday afternoon. Major flooding has already occurred throughout the day Friday, and a flash flood emergency (the most urgent type of flash flood warning) was in effect Friday afternoon for parts of Feliciana, West Feliciana, St. Helena, and East Baton Rouge parishes, which extend roughly from Baton Rouge northward. Water rescues and evacuations were under way in this region, according to the NWS. Even if the rains ease during the weekend, the area faces a major flood threat. The Tickfaw River at Montpelier, LA, hit a record crest of 22.75 feet at 1:30 pm CDT Friday, with several more feet expected this weekend. A number of other rivers across southeast Louisiana are projected to reach all-time crests, including the Amite River, where record levels of flooding can be expected to inundate many homes and roadways on the eastern side of the Baton Rouge metro area for an extended period.

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Figure 3. Forecasts issued on Friday morning, August 12, 2016, were calling for an all-time record flood crest of 42.5 feet late Sunday on the Amite River at Denham Springs, just east of Baton Rouge, LA. The forecast keeps waters above the previous record of 41.5 feet (April 8, 1983) for a full 24 hours. These projections could be boosted further in light of the heavy rains persisting in the area on Friday. The last major crest in this region was 36.09 feet on March 13, 2016. Image credit: NOAA/NWS Advanced Hydrologic Prediction Service.

Tropical cyclone or not? Does it matter?

Although this system does not qualify as a tropical cyclone--its center has remained just inland--the point is moot in terms of impact, as the torrential rains and flooding from this low could end up ranking among some of the more damaging tropical depressions and tropical storms on record. The low’s rainmaking power is a combination of its extremely slow motion and the astoundingly moist air mass feeding into it. The upper air sounding launched from Slidell, LA, at 12Z Friday (7:00 am CDT) showed that the atmosphere was carrying 2.85” of precipitable water (the amount of water in a column of air over a given point). This is the second-highest amount of water measured in any sounding since records began in the New Orleans area in 1948, and just 0.03” below the record of 2.88”. In Jackson, MS, only two other dates have seen more precipitable water than the 2.74” measured on Friday morning, with the record being just 0.02” higher (2.76”). These values may seem puzzlingly low compared to the amounts of rain occurring. This is because showers and thunderstorms can concentrate the amount of moisture present in the atmosphere throughout a region, so they can produce much higher local totals than the precipitable water values would suggest.

The New Orleans Times-Picayune is providing live updates on the situation in southeast Louisiana. Governor John Bel Edwards has declared a state of emergency for the entire state through at least Saturday.

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Figure 4. An inundated boat launch ramp in New Iberia, LA, on Friday, August 12, 2016. Image credit: wunderphotographer kaiju76.
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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#495 Postby Agua » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:47 pm

Wind in Biloxi has been stiff since around 11 this morning. Presently at 22 out of the SW with gusts to 30.
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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#496 Postby wxman57 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:49 pm

SEASON_CANCELED wrote:I know we all are asking this but ,This wont develop overland will it?? (can it?)


Well, I suppose that if enough rain falls such that the Louisiana coast retreats north of Alexandria, then there may be development potential, as the low center would then be over water. Otherwise, no chance.
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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#497 Postby HeeBGBz » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:51 pm

The rain let up today in Biloxi somewhat. The winds have kicked in instead. Not real strong, but continual and tropical. Around 25 mph.
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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#498 Postby Frank P » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:53 pm

We've had wind gusts on the beach today up to 37 mph today, pressure at 3:51pm is at 1011.2 and falling with steady state winds above 20 mph all afternoon.. at least the rainfall on the Biloxi beach has not been that bad since this morning..
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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#499 Postby USTropics » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:03 pm

Latest WPC 7-day OPF. Rain will make its way towards eastern/central Texas after immersing LA/Central Plains:

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Re: Central Gulf Coast Disturbance

#500 Postby tailgater » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:18 pm

This is one of Baton Rouge's news channels that is covering this event.
http://www.wafb.com/

I live in the area about 20 miles south of some of those 15+ inches, only 6 inches on my rain gauge. But we'll be dealing with flooding( river)for probably close to a week. I'll try to post some pics later.
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