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#522 Postby SFLcane » Thu May 20, 2021 9:04 am



Interesting... Little ITCZ disturbance aided by the CCKW. It'll be dead in a day
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#523 Postby Category5Kaiju » Thu May 20, 2021 10:03 am

Nuno wrote:
Shell Mound wrote:
SFLcane wrote:Great informative video of potential steering this season. Florida :cry:

https://youtu.be/fiskrbHUuxc

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As far as steering is concerned, based on the possible location and track of soon-to-be STS Ana, perhaps this season will be a blend of 1999 and 2017. The mean of Floyd (1999) and Irma (2017) would place storms curving into Southeast Florida, similarly to the early model runs that took Irma into Miami. The somewhat reliable EC suggests a reduced frequency of ≥ 45-kt wind gusts from North Carolina to New England during the peak trimonthly period of ASO, so perhaps it is hinting at a blocking ridge over the Mid-Atlantic that acts to keep storms confined farther south, suggesting more of a threat to peninsular Florida vs. points east (Outer Banks) and west (Gulf).


Blending 1999 and 2017 wouldn't be too far off from the ECMWF C3S forecast posted earlier for ASO. I worry for the Bahamas this season especially. Tracks over the Bahamas or so close to SE FL could result in OBX brushes too, though there weren't any in 2017.


I really hope Grand Abaco and Freeport don't get hit by a strong hurricane this year, Dorian was horrible enough.
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#524 Postby SFLcane » Thu May 20, 2021 10:46 am

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#525 Postby Shell Mound » Thu May 20, 2021 2:53 pm

Nuno wrote:
Shell Mound wrote:
SFLcane wrote:Great informative video of potential steering this season. Florida :cry:

https://youtu.be/fiskrbHUuxc

https://i.postimg.cc/brXmwt4m/20177-Sept-Irma-79.png
https://i.postimg.cc/43S8jMPk/20177-Sept-Irma-82.jpg
As far as steering is concerned, based on the possible location and track of soon-to-be STS Ana, perhaps this season will be a blend of 1999 and 2017. The mean of Floyd (1999) and Irma (2017) would place storms curving into Southeast Florida, similarly to the early model runs that took Irma into Miami. The somewhat reliable EC suggests a reduced frequency of ≥ 45-kt wind gusts from North Carolina to New England during the peak trimonthly period of ASO, so perhaps it is hinting at a blocking ridge over the Mid-Atlantic that acts to keep storms confined farther south, suggesting more of a threat to peninsular Florida vs. points east (Outer Banks) and west (Gulf).

Blending 1999 and 2017 wouldn't be too far off from the ECMWF C3S forecast posted earlier for ASO. I worry for the Bahamas this season especially. Tracks over the Bahamas or so close to SE FL could result in OBX brushes too, though there weren't any in 2017.

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Wind and precipitation patterns relative to expected conditions suggest that the EC and the NMME are in rather decent agreement on ASO.
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#526 Postby cycloneye » Thu May 20, 2021 6:42 pm

At this rate 2021 may reach 30. :D
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#527 Postby aspen » Thu May 20, 2021 6:57 pm

cycloneye wrote:At this rate 2021 may reach 30. :D

If we have Ana and Bill active at the same time tomorrow or Saturday...yeah that’s a possibility lol.

I’m interested to see if the potentially favorable CAG setup for mid to late June could produce something moderately significant, like at least a moderate TS, maybe even a hurricane. June hurricanes certainly aren’t impossible, and this part of the Caribbean has the highest SSTs in the basin this early in the season.
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#528 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Thu May 20, 2021 6:58 pm

Ah, yes, May...
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#529 Postby SconnieCane » Thu May 20, 2021 10:12 pm

I'm just hoping whatever's in the Gulf landfalls/dissipates quickly so it doesn't muck up moisture return for any potential land-based severe weather setups next week. May (in theory) is to tornadoes what September is to Atlantic hurricanes, and so far this one has been awfully quiet.
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#530 Postby JetFuel_SE » Fri May 21, 2021 2:25 am

SconnieCane wrote:I'm just hoping whatever's in the Gulf landfalls/dissipates quickly so it doesn't muck up moisture return for any potential land-based severe weather setups next week. May (in theory) is to tornadoes what September is to Atlantic hurricanes, and so far this one has been awfully quiet.

I'd much rather have a TD or weak TS hit Texas instead. A severe weather outbreak will likely do much more damage than a weak TS.
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#531 Postby aspen » Fri May 21, 2021 7:54 pm

The fact that we’re watching two simultaneous invests with LLCs on the verge of becoming S/TCs in late May during an unfavorable MJO phase is really saying something. Looks like the Atlantic base state is favorable like last year. I’m still not expecting over 20 storms this season, but if this is a sign of things to come, we’re gonna be in for a looooong ride...
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#532 Postby cycloneye » Fri May 21, 2021 8:23 pm

This is very interesting about how a strong West African Monsoon affects ENSO.

 https://twitter.com/webberweather/status/1395908201489473539


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#533 Postby Shell Mound » Sat May 22, 2021 5:37 am

SFLcane wrote:Say goodbye to your cool MDR per the CFS the switch is about to Flip. I do not have a weatherbell account to view the CFS daily but i was able to grab a screen shot of June26 via youtube. Check out those anomalies off the african coast! There is a hole there its do to the way its display but if it weren't there i'd bet you would have yourself an above average basin.

This is June 26th... we shall see in a few weeks if it verifies.

https://i.imgur.com/X4V4jzk.png

So far SST in the MDR have remained steady over the past week and a half, despite prolonged laxity of trades, so this forecast is likely to bust significantly.

As an aside, Ana’s track has been/is very similar to Arlene’s (1999). If so, I’m expecting more of a threat to the Carolinas than South Florida during ASO.
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#534 Postby toad strangler » Sat May 22, 2021 7:04 am

Shell Mound wrote:
SFLcane wrote:Say goodbye to your cool MDR per the CFS the switch is about to Flip. I do not have a weatherbell account to view the CFS daily but i was able to grab a screen shot of June26 via youtube. Check out those anomalies off the african coast! There is a hole there its do to the way its display but if it weren't there i'd bet you would have yourself an above average basin.

This is June 26th... we shall see in a few weeks if it verifies.

https://i.imgur.com/X4V4jzk.png

So far SST in the MDR have remained steady over the past week and a half, despite prolonged laxity of trades, so this forecast is likely to bust significantly.

As an aside, Ana’s track has been/is very similar to Arlene’s (1999). If so, I’m expecting more of a threat to the Carolinas than South Florida during ASO.


Remember last year when you had Laura re-curving E of FL a few days out? She landfalled in LA narrowly missing a E TX landfall. Future tracks post 72 hours and many times less than that are the great unknown along with intensity forecasts. I for one wouldn't ever hang my ASO hat on what a current season early storm does in comparison to a individual storm from a analog year. Analogs are for comparing background states and individual basin indicators. Not tracks IMO. Now, the SST watch is a viable one if you are searching that hard but it's not even June 1 yet. Too early to bang that drum loud as the SAL hand wringers learned last year.
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#535 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sat May 22, 2021 8:09 am

cycloneye wrote:This is very interesting about how a strong West African Monsoon affects ENSO.

https://twitter.com/webberweather/status/1395908201489473539


Oh my gosh, I have been theorizing something similar to this for a while. I would be very curious to see if a strong WAM occurs next year as aside from that there are potential signs that an El Niño could occur next year
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#536 Postby SFLcane » Sat May 22, 2021 5:17 pm

subtropical warmth heading southward into the main development region. Give it a few weeks

 https://twitter.com/cyclonicwx/status/1396203684497854469


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#537 Postby cycloneye » Sat May 22, 2021 5:18 pm

SFLcane wrote:subtropical warmth heading southward into the main development region. Give it a few weeks

https://twitter.com/cyclonicwx/status/1 ... 4497854469


Interesting that shift but time will tell the real story.
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#538 Postby St0rmTh0r » Sun May 23, 2021 8:26 am

I seen on the news there was a big solar flare this week that could cause communication problems. In 2017 before Irma there was heavy solar activity. Is there a correlation between solar storms and hurricanes?
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#539 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sun May 23, 2021 12:13 pm

St0rmTh0r wrote:I seen on the news there was a big solar flare this week that could cause communication problems. In 2017 before Irma there was heavy solar activity. Is there a correlation between solar storms and hurricanes?


I highly doubt it. If stronger solar flares are somewhat correlated with stronger hurricanes, then was there heavy solar flare activity before storms like Gilbert, Katrina, Dorian, Ivan, Andrew, or Mitch? I would love to know
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#540 Postby MetroMike » Sun May 23, 2021 12:17 pm

St0rmTh0r wrote:I seen on the news there was a big solar flare this week that could cause communication problems. In 2017 before Irma there was heavy solar activity. Is there a correlation between solar storms and hurricanes?


Was wondering the same thing. I remember maybe it was Joe Bastardi taking about low solar flare activity and lack of activity in the tropics several years ago in a video. Could be some correlation. We shall see if this active solar trend continues this year.
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