Request for the Upcoming Season

[SouthFloridawx]

[gatorcane]

[SouthFloridawx]

Ok now back to the topic.

[gatorcane]

Yeah we were just having a little fun Doc - nothing against your post. I think it is a great idea

[cycloneye]

So doc after all these ideas from you and from other members I conclude that three threads maybe a maximun 4 for a system is the best option to have the forum running good.

1-General Discussion Thread=Thread that will be used to discuss about everything about the systems from wobbles,convection growing or fading,outflow boundarys etc,etc,etc.

2-Analyisis,Models,Tracks thread=This thread is for the pro mets to chim in their anaylisis about the systems.

3-Sticky=Advisories and Recon thread=As we haved done since last year these will be sticked.

I only have two issues.First in what thread will the sat pics be posted and if the advisories and recon thread are joint or separated.However I prefer them separated and that is why I say maybe 4 as a maximun.As I did last year a recon discussion thread will be created.

Doc and the rest what do you think? Of course more suggestions are welcomed about this.The good thing is that we have time to decide on a final set of threads before things heat up.

[jasons2k]

I think it looks good and I'd be happy to roll with that, any organization is better than none and the mods do a great job BTW.

I still think, however, we don't need thread #2 listed for pro analysis - that's already in the analysis forum, unless we are proposing to do away with that, which I don't think is a good idea. IMO the current setup of having the pro mets' analysis in their own forum works well. If we move it here to an analysis thread combined with the models & tracks I think it will just create confusion - especially when amateurs want weigh-in on the models/tracks. Amateurs will naturally want to include model/track images, etc., in their posts so we'll end up with them in 2 locations (threads 1 & 2). Again, just more confusion IMO.

I think we should have the stickied advisory and recon threads and then a 3rd models/tracks/satellite/discussion thread and leave it at that. Basically, just like last year.

[SouthFloridawx]

I think it looks good and I'd be happy to roll with that, any organization is better than none and the mods do a great job BTW.

I still think, however, we don't need thread #2 listed for pro analysis - that's already in the analysis forum, unless we are proposing to do away with that, which I don't think is a good idea. IMO the current setup of having the pro mets' analysis in their own forum works well. If we move it here to an analysis thread combined with the models & tracks I think it will just create confusion - especially when amateurs want weigh-in on the models/tracks. Amateurs will naturally want to include model/track images, etc., in their posts so we'll end up with them in 2 locations (threads 1 & 2). Again, just more confusion IMO.

I think we should have the stickied advisory and recon threads and then a 3rd models/tracks/satellite/discussion thread and leave it at that. Basically, just like last year.

I agree also because last year it made it easy to do that. So this is what I think:

EX:

1 - TD 1 - TC analysis in the Tropical Analysis Forum (which we had last year)
2 - TD 1 - Stickied Advisorys Thread
3 - TD 1 - Stickied Recon Thread (Post Decoded Recon Messages)
4 - TD 1 - Recon Discussion (This allows for discussion of posted recon mesages so that, messages do not clutter up the Stickied Recon Threado or number 5 )
5 - TD 1 - Sat pics/models/tracks/and general discussion (For everyone)

Also I would like to add the repetative posting of graphics of the same nature and too many graphics causes important posts or other images to be missed because they are getting pushed back. I have noticed a lot more new members posting on the forum which is awesome but, this is also going to cause some problems because of the quantity of the posts. This is just a message not intended towards anyone specifically but, if during season and on tropical cyclone threads if we could have quality over quantity we must remember that. That kind of makes me think that Mikes idea is a good one so that Pro Mets can discuss the tropical cyclone in one thread and the general posters like myself can post in the sat pics/models/tracks/ and general threads, so that wobble watchers can also discuss the wobble watching. Possibly letting them create their own thread to do that. I don't know i'm not sure how to handle that one cause if you have wobble watchers posting on the general discussion of the tropical cyclone you tent to have a large quantity of posts pushing back other quality posts. Anway good job on the thread doctor hurricane I think all this did need to be addressed before season and the first tropical depression.

[southerngale]

I think we should have the stickied advisory and recon threads and then a 3rd models/tracks/satellite/discussion thread and leave it at that. Basically, just like last year.

I agree. I think that when you post models, sat pics, etc. it's only natural to make a comment along with it and if we try separating the model and sat pic posts from the comments, it simply won't work. Either people are going to make comments anyway along with their model track map or feel it's a waste of time to post a link to the map in another thread that goes with their comment in this thread, not to mention all the extra clicking and bandwidth for people to have to view TWO posts to really get ONE post from a member. I won't even mention us mods trying to keep up with enforcing this...

[P.K.]

3 - TD 1 - Stickied Recon Thread (Post Decoded Recon Messages)

Quick question: Is it just me who finds the raw recon messages much easier to use than the decoded ones? I'd suggest the first post of the recon thread could explain what the various parts of the messages mean, but I guess lots of people like them posted decoded.

[cycloneye]

I think it looks good and I'd be happy to roll with that, any organization is better than none and the mods do a great job BTW.

I still think, however, we don't need thread #2 listed for pro analysis - that's already in the analysis forum, unless we are proposing to do away with that, which I don't think is a good idea. IMO the current setup of having the pro mets' analysis in their own forum works well. If we move it here to an analysis thread combined with the models & tracks I think it will just create confusion - especially when amateurs want weigh-in on the models/tracks. Amateurs will naturally want to include model/track images, etc., in their posts so we'll end up with them in 2 locations (threads 1 & 2). Again, just more confusion IMO.

I think we should have the stickied advisory and recon threads and then a 3rd models/tracks/satellite/discussion thread and leave it at that. Basically, just like last year.

I agree also because last year it made it easy to do that. So this is what I think:

EX:

1 - TD 1 - TC analysis in the Tropical Analysis Forum (which we had last year)
2 - TD 1 - Stickied Advisorys Thread
3 - TD 1 - Stickied Recon Thread (Post Decoded Recon Messages)
4 - TD 1 - Recon Discussion (This allows for discussion of posted recon mesages so that, messages do not clutter up the Stickied Recon Threado or number 5 )
5 - TD 1 - Sat pics/models/tracks/and general discussion (For everyone)

Also I would like to add the repetative posting of graphics of the same nature and too many graphics causes important posts or other images to be missed because they are getting pushed back. I have noticed a lot more new members posting on the forum which is awesome but, this is also going to cause some problems because of the quantity of the posts. This is just a message not intended towards anyone specifically but, if during season and on tropical cyclone threads if we could have quality over quantity we must remember that. That kind of makes me think that Mikes idea is a good one so that Pro Mets can discuss the tropical cyclone in one thread and the general posters like myself can post in the sat pics/models/tracks/ and general threads, so that wobble watchers can also discuss the wobble watching. Possibly letting them create their own thread to do that. I don't know i'm not sure how to handle that one cause if you have wobble watchers posting on the general discussion of the tropical cyclone you tent to have a large quantity of posts pushing back other quality posts. Anway good job on the thread doctor hurricane I think all this did need to be addressed before season and the first tropical depression.

SouthFloridawx,I like those set of threads.But after all the suggestions that all the members from Doctorhurricane to the rest who haved posted good suggestions the staff has to decide on what set of threads we will use during the 2006 hurricane season.Keep those suggestions comming.

Peter,good idea about posting how to read the data from recon at first post of recon thread.

[DoctorHurricane2003]

2-Analyisis,Models,Tracks thread=This thread is for the pro mets to chim in their anaylisis about the systems.

No no no...this thread should be dedicated to model plots, any maps, dvorak estimates, and I guess we should throw the sat pics in there too. ANY Analysis by pro mets should be quick comments on certain items in the thread ONLY...not for long, drawn out discussion.

I also propose that this thread be locked to prevent general members from posting in it, so we don't get too many of the same thing, etc. etc.

[senorpepr]

3 - TD 1 - Stickied Recon Thread (Post Decoded Recon Messages)

Quick question: Is it just me who finds the raw recon messages much easier to use than the decoded ones? I'd suggest the first post of the recon thread could explain what the various parts of the messages mean, but I guess lots of people like them posted decoded.

Personally, I think decoded, when available, should be posted. A majority of the users don't know how to read recon and most will not try to decode, thus making the thread more useless. This is especially true for the dropsonde reports.

I think decoded should go into the thread and if you want raw, check out http://tropicalupdates.nhcwx.com/recon.htm

Hopefully they do make an archive on the NHC page. If that is the case, I'll add that link to the recon page as well...

[southerngale]

2-Analyisis,Models,Tracks thread=This thread is for the pro mets to chim in their anaylisis about the systems.

No no no...this thread should be dedicated to model plots, any maps, dvorak estimates, and I guess we should throw the sat pics in there too. ANY Analysis by pro mets should be quick comments on certain items in the thread ONLY...not for long, drawn out discussion.

I also propose that this thread be locked to prevent general members from posting in it, so we don't get too many of the same thing, etc. etc.

I disagree for the reasons I stated above:

I think we should have the stickied advisory and recon threads and then a 3rd models/tracks/satellite/discussion thread and leave it at that. Basically, just like last year.

I agree. I think that when you post models, sat pics, etc. it's only natural to make a comment along with it and if we try separating the model and sat pic posts from the comments, it simply won't work. Either people are going to make comments anyway along with their model track map or feel it's a waste of time to post a link to the map in another thread that goes with their comment in this thread, not to mention all the extra clicking and bandwidth for people to have to view TWO posts to really get ONE post from a member. I won't even mention us mods trying to keep up with enforcing this...

[DoctorHurricane2003]

I won't even mention us mods trying to keep up with enforcing this...

I also propose that this thread be locked to prevent general members from posting in it, so we don't get too many of the same thing, etc. etc.

Problem 1 solved, sg.

Then all you have to do is take on the "if you see it in the GD thread, delete it" policy.

Problem 2 solved.


Now, one exception I guess we *can* make is allow the S2K Markup Maps (ONLY) in the GD thread for ease. Any sort of professional model outputs, forecast maps, dvorak estimates, surface analyses, SST charts, etc. etc. should go in the AMTP thread.

[southerngale]

I understand and appreciate your suggestions, however I just disagree. I'm not the final say on this though, so we'll discuss it among the staff and I guess majority will rule.

I don't want to lock it, because we do want to hear the members' opinions as well.

Again, we really appreciate the suggestions and they'll be discussed.

[DoctorHurricane2003]

I know, but the purpose of the GD thread is for the opinions. I'd like to have the AMSP thread as sort of a quick-reference thread. Just clarifying.

[cycloneye]

Thanks to all for bringing the suggestions about this important topic from all starting with who first posted the thread Doctorhurricane2003.Now the staff will decide about this and will announce it's decision that will help run Talking Tropics forum in a good way when things get hot and believe me things will heat up in the tropics as well here at storm2k.

[senorpepr]

I won't even mention us mods trying to keep up with enforcing this...

I also propose that this thread be locked to prevent general members from posting in it, so we don't get too many of the same thing, etc. etc.

Problem 1 solved, sg.

Then all you have to do is take on the "if you see it in the GD thread, delete it" policy.

Problem 2 solved.


Now, one exception I guess we *can* make is allow the S2K Markup Maps (ONLY) in the GD thread for ease. Any sort of professional model outputs, forecast maps, dvorak estimates, surface analyses, SST charts, etc. etc. should go in the AMTP thread.

Actually, the problem isn't solved. To lock and unlock threads just to post a satellite image is too much work than it's worth. Also, going around acting as post police, deleting satellite images from one thread while unlocking another thread is just consuming the mods time from keeping the useless kids under control.

[DoctorHurricane2003]

I'm pretty sure there is a function on this board that allows mods, etc. to post in locked threads. No need to lock/unlock them.

[senorpepr]

I'm pretty sure there is a function on this board that allows mods, etc. to post in locked threads. No need to lock/unlock them.

You're right... mods can post in locked threads, but this isn't a communist board. The mods shouldn't be the only people posting metsat images or the like. Furthermore, we really don't have a great deal of time to be doing that.

The only reason why a satellite picture should be posting in the threads is when something noteworthy is occurring... and that shouldn't be left up to the mods to determine when a metsat image is "post-worthy".