Global Model Runs for W.Caribbean Early Season Development

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Re: Global Model Runs for W.Caribbean Early Season Development

#781 Postby JonathanBelles » Mon May 26, 2008 7:43 pm

Thunder44 wrote:They are actually putting out probabilities on systems being outlooked this year. This is one is less than 20%.


I dont mean this in a mean way...but there is a clear key on the bottom of the image and it was mentioned in the first TWO. I dont think this comment was needed. :(
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#782 Postby Vortex » Mon May 26, 2008 7:43 pm

Just wanna mention its good to see many of the usual suspects returning for the season :D :lol:
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#783 Postby MiamiensisWx » Mon May 26, 2008 7:46 pm

The EPAC and Atlantic "areas of interest" are associated with the same surface trough. Therefore, as the EPAC surface low drifts east, it will influence and likely support cyclogenesis in the southern Caribbean region in combination with the low level vorticity. Everything is going to plan and matches my thoughts; convection is currently diminishing over the southern Caribbean as forecast in my graphic. Tomorrow, that will likely change; see my graphic above (black text on white background) for further discussion.

Graphical analysis

Red text over mainland Mexico: "Diurnal convection"
Red text near Hispaniola: "Orographically induced convection"
Dark blue text over central Caribbean Sea: "Upper level shear"

Edit: Here's one with clearer text (http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4038/caribbeanmay26082mh9.png).
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Re: Global Model Runs for W.Caribbean Early Season Development

#784 Postby Blown Away » Mon May 26, 2008 7:53 pm

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#785 Postby HURAKAN » Mon May 26, 2008 7:55 pm

This system is testing everyone's patience and abilities. There's a long season ahead.
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#786 Postby MiamiensisWx » Mon May 26, 2008 7:56 pm

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In response to complaints regarding the visibility of the text, I have altered the graphic of my analysis for some viewers. Is this clearer, Sandy?
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Re: Global Model Runs for W.Caribbean Early Season Development

#787 Postby HURAKAN » Mon May 26, 2008 7:59 pm

:uarrow: :notworthy:

Much easier to read!
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Re: Global Model Runs for W.Caribbean Early Season Development

#788 Postby Thunder44 » Mon May 26, 2008 8:00 pm

fact789 wrote:
Thunder44 wrote:They are actually putting out probabilities on systems being outlooked this year. This is one is less than 20%.


I dont mean this in a mean way...but there is a clear key on the bottom of the image and it was mentioned in the first TWO. I dont think this comment was needed. :(


I know. I just wanted to comment on it. :wink:
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#789 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon May 26, 2008 8:02 pm

MiamiensisWx wrote:Image

In response to complaints regarding the visibility of the text, I have altered the graphic of my analysis for some viewers. Is this clearer, Sandy?



agreed i had mentioned something similar earlier .. that is a very good analysis. and graphic ..
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#790 Postby Opal storm » Mon May 26, 2008 8:03 pm

HURAKAN wrote:This system is testing everyone's patience and abilities. There's a long season ahead.
40 pages on something that hasn't even happened yet. I think it's safe to say it's going to be a long season. :wink: But I'm not complaining, love discussing with weather freaks just like myself.
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Re: Global Model Runs for W.Caribbean Early Season Development

#791 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Mon May 26, 2008 8:07 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Derek its not only GFS,also CMC is looking east.


http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/cmctc2.c ... =Animation


That is why I am not hoping on board the development bandwagon yet. I am concerned about any of the off season model changes. If you make the smallest of changes to a model, the results can be dramatically different (I have learned this via some Katrina experiments I have recently been running and the changes are merely related to differences in blending radii after a vortex relocation... minor changes produce 2 very different storms)



Are input data sets for model runs from previous years saved?

In petroleum engineering, models that predict all kinds of good things are used to develop 'hindcasts', data from long ago is entered to see if the model fairly accurately predicts what has already happened. I'd hope, that before a new version/iteration of any model is released, it would be run with data sets from numerous different situations, to see how well it accurately worked.
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Re: Global Model Runs for W.Caribbean Early Season Development

#792 Postby Eyewall » Mon May 26, 2008 8:08 pm

My weather man here just mention tropical development in the caribbean. Man everyone has caught on to this one. This fourm is jumping and we do not even have an invest yet. :tailgate:
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#793 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon May 26, 2008 8:12 pm

its just that you dont get this good of a consensus from the models very often ... especially with nothing actually there
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#794 Postby MiamiensisWx » Mon May 26, 2008 8:13 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:its just that you dont get this good of a consensus from the models very often ... especially with nothing actually there

...and something is there in this case over the southern Caribbean and extreme eastern Pacific.
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#795 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon May 26, 2008 8:18 pm

MiamiensisWx wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:its just that you dont get this good of a consensus from the models very often ... especially with nothing actually there

...and something is there in this case over the southern Caribbean and extreme eastern Pacific.



let me re phrase ...
until today ,,... there was nothing in carribean ....
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#796 Postby MiamiensisWx » Mon May 26, 2008 8:19 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:let me re phrase ...
until today ,,... there was nothing in carribean ....

The broad surface trough was there as indicated by the GFS. It absolutely nailed the timing and development of a possible TC in the southern Caribbean (tonight through Thursday).
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Re: Global Model Runs for W.Caribbean Early Season Development

#797 Postby Eyewall » Mon May 26, 2008 8:21 pm

You are right this is the best model agreement I have seen in a long time.
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#798 Postby Aric Dunn » Mon May 26, 2008 8:28 pm

MiamiensisWx wrote:
Aric Dunn wrote:let me re phrase ...
until today ,,... there was nothing in carribean ....

The broad surface trough was there as indicated by the GFS. It absolutely nailed the timing and development of a possible TC in the southern Caribbean (tonight through Thursday).


ok right i agree the trough was there but no convection what so ever really yesterday or the past few days in the Sw carrib.. so when i say there was nothing there ... see tropical cyclones are made up of this stuff called clouds and convection..
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Re: Global Model Runs for W.Caribbean Early Season Development

#799 Postby lebron23 » Mon May 26, 2008 8:33 pm

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#800 Postby HURAKAN » Mon May 26, 2008 8:34 pm

:uarrow: That would be really interesting!!!
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