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Re: ENSO Updates=All ENSO regions are down

#7921 Postby Ntxw » Sat May 20, 2017 8:51 am

TheStormExpert wrote::uarrow: 2006 wasn't a Modoki El Niño, or was it?


2006 was not a modoki during it's lifetime
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Re: ENSO Updates=All ENSO regions are down

#7922 Postby TheAustinMan » Sat May 20, 2017 8:52 am

TheStormExpert wrote::uarrow: 2006 wasn't a Modoki El Niño, or was it?


Just looking at the September 11, 2006 anomaly chart, things certainly didn't look like a Modoki. The Nino1+2 region was quite warm.
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Re: ENSO Updates=All ENSO regions are down

#7923 Postby cycloneye » Sat May 20, 2017 9:16 am

JB has to check the facts before posting tweets. :D
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Re: ENSO Updates=All ENSO regions are down

#7924 Postby tolakram » Sat May 20, 2017 9:48 am

Watch out for confirmation bias. :)
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Re: ENSO Updates=All ENSO regions are down

#7925 Postby Alyono » Sat May 20, 2017 10:27 am

JB must be using alternative facts like the Indo judges used to convict AHOK
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Re: ENSO Updates=All ENSO regions are down

#7926 Postby WeatherEmperor » Sat May 20, 2017 11:06 am

NDG wrote:Big time cool down this week for Niño 1+2 & Niño 3 if CDAS is correct.


http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis ... obal_1.png


I believe CDAS shows SST's using satellite estimates...which aren't always correct. The buoy analysis shows temps much warmer than indicated by CDAS.
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Re: ENSO Updates=All ENSO regions are down

#7927 Postby weathaguyry » Sat May 20, 2017 1:51 pm

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Is this another cold pool forming?
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Re: ENSO Updates=All ENSO regions are down

#7928 Postby Kingarabian » Sat May 20, 2017 2:34 pm

Bastardi doesn't seem to know what a proper Modoki Nino is, according to its author. He's mentioned it in the wrong way numerous times. But he's not the only one to mix it up. A lot of people do.

However his analysis on El-Nino forming has merit. The SOI according to the EPS weeklies will tank again from June into July.
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Re: ENSO Updates=All ENSO regions are down

#7929 Postby cycloneye » Sat May 20, 2017 3:02 pm

After more that 24 hours of my post of the "All ENSO Regions Down" was made,they continue to do so although 3.4 looks less pronounced and seems to be more stable around +0.2C.Nino 1+2 continues the freefall with the latest as of this post at -0.5C.
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Re: ENSO Updates=All ENSO regions are down

#7930 Postby Kazmit » Sat May 20, 2017 4:46 pm

What a drop. :eek:

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Re: ENSO Updates=All ENSO regions are down

#7931 Postby Kingarabian » Sat May 20, 2017 4:50 pm

Kazmit_ wrote:What a drop. :eek:

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I'm not seeing glaring cool anomalies at the subsurface of 1+2 and the other Nino regions, and the easterlies have yet to reach these regions. So I'm not sure if these drops hold any water.
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Re: ENSO Updates=All ENSO regions are down

#7932 Postby Hurricaneman » Sat May 20, 2017 5:25 pm

The thing to watch is the Monday update on the NOAA site, if it shows the drop too it could change what might happen in the ENSO in the long run
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Re: ENSO Updates=All ENSO regions are down

#7933 Postby WeatherEmperor » Sat May 20, 2017 6:42 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
Kazmit_ wrote:What a drop. :eek:

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I'm not seeing glaring cool anomalies at the subsurface of 1+2 and the other Nino regions, and the easterlies have yet to reach these regions. So I'm not sure if these drops hold any water.


Here is an image from May 18th. The image below does not support the cooling from the other image but as others have said lets wait until Mondays update to see if it changed.

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Re: ENSO Updates

#7934 Postby cycloneye » Sun May 21, 2017 8:19 am

@EdValleeWx
Strong easterlies continue along the dateline through early June. #ElNino will continue to struggle-


 https://twitter.com/EdValleeWx/status/866267750787895296




@akshaysampathk1Replying to @EdValleeWx
The E HEM forcing status quo will reinforce again in June for summer which should eventually stop #ElNino attempt.


 https://twitter.com/akshaysampathk1/status/866281290902810624




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Re: ENSO Updates

#7935 Postby weathaguyry » Sun May 21, 2017 8:29 am

Could those winds support warming in the Atlantic?
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Re: ENSO Updates

#7936 Postby LarryWx » Sun May 21, 2017 9:02 am

weathaguyry wrote:Could those winds support warming in the Atlantic?


Those strong trade winds aren't directly related to the Atlantic. (I suppose, however, that this could POSSIBLY have an indirect significant effect on the Atlantic.)
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Re: ENSO Updates

#7937 Postby LarryWx » Sun May 21, 2017 9:08 am

NDG wrote:
NDG wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:
Good to see you posting on here again Larry.

As we get out of MJO phase 2 and into phase 3, I think we'll see the SOI flip back negative by this weekend.


Before it flips back to negative wouldn't the MJO have to get to at least phase 4 if not phase 5?

Edit: More like phase 5 if not phase 6.


As I thought, it will take a little while longer for the SOI to go back to negative, at least another 7-10 days if the Euro is correct with its MJO forecast.

20 May 2017 1013.29 1009.50 17.33 -3.18


Ever since that one Euro run from about a week ago showing a sharp drop to well below normal SLP's at Tahiti, none have suggested an imminent return to solid -SOI's. We'll likely have a fall during the next couple of days, which MAY dip slightly into -SOI territory, but even if so they then look to quickly rise back into +SOI territory for the balance of May (at least) IF the latest guidance is correct.
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Re: ENSO Updates

#7938 Postby Kazmit » Sun May 21, 2017 9:59 am

All regions seem to have hit rock bottom.

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Re: ENSO Updates

#7939 Postby weathaguyry » Sun May 21, 2017 9:59 am

LarryWx wrote:
weathaguyry wrote:Could those winds support warming in the Atlantic?


Those strong trade winds aren't directly related to the Atlantic. (I suppose, however, that this could POSSIBLY have an indirect significant effect on the Atlantic.)


Sorry, I wasn't being clear enough, I meant that patch of Orange and Red east of 60W, is that the type of wind that promotes warming?
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Re: ENSO Updates

#7940 Postby NDG » Sun May 21, 2017 10:52 am

weathaguyry wrote:
LarryWx wrote:
weathaguyry wrote:Could those winds support warming in the Atlantic?


Those strong trade winds aren't directly related to the Atlantic. (I suppose, however, that this could POSSIBLY have an indirect significant effect on the Atlantic.)


Sorry, I wasn't being clear enough, I meant that patch of Orange and Red east of 60W, is that the type of wind that promotes warming?


Yes, but that's only for the equatorial Atlantic.
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