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#81 Postby SFLcane » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:00 am

ninel conde wrote:right now im leaning toward 4/1/0. looks almost certain now for the umpteenth year in a row we will have a persistent nw flow for the east coast and gom negating the possibility of in close developments.


Anything is possible but honestly i'd be shocked if we end up with numbers that low. with a moderate to weak nino cause i cant see yet a strong el nino developing i dont see a reason why something like 10-5-2 can't and be attained. Instability near home is just about average. We will see what things look like Aug 20 the way i see it after last seasons ridiculous bust its anybodys guess.
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#82 Postby ninel conde » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:18 am

instability close to home doesnt mean much if the flow is persisrently nw. my guess is the coastline is safe again except for a possible badly sheared slop storm struggling onshore.
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#83 Postby TropicalAnalystwx13 » Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:46 pm

This is my 2014 Atlantic hurricane season outlook.

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#84 Postby Ntxw » Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:10 pm

Great forecast TA! One of the rare forecast that looks at the whole picture including the three major equatorial Oceans and not just one area or index. Very good work was a pleasure to read.
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#85 Postby Ntxw » Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:41 pm

Even if we ignore the fact of ENSO (as if it doesn't exist), I still would want to see this improve. Early in the year, but we've seen this movie before. Probably slop-messes if it refuses to improve.

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#86 Postby ninel conde » Thu May 01, 2014 5:37 am

last season without el nino we had 2 weak canes, no majors. this season we have all of last seasons negative factors on steroids and now we add a powerful el nino. 3/0/0 is a possibility.
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#87 Postby tolakram » Thu May 01, 2014 8:40 am

ninel conde wrote:last season without el nino we had 2 weak canes, no majors. this season we have all of last seasons negative factors on steroids and now we add a powerful el nino. 3/0/0 is a possibility.


Looking at 1997, Hurricanes Bill and Danny both developed outside of the deep tropics and both the east coast region and the gulf are experiencing near normal instability. Erica was the only major hurricane in 1997 and it did develop in the deep tropics, so there's certainly some merit in forecasting no major hurricanes this year if instability stays well below average.

I can't see how we have a 3/0/0 season. My best guess is to take 1997, subtract the major due to lack of instability in the deep tropics, but add more storms due to the general trend of naming more storms (better detection).

My poll guess was 10/3/1 but I can easily see a 9/2/0 or a little lower.
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#88 Postby ninel conde » Thu May 01, 2014 5:46 pm

tolakram wrote:
ninel conde wrote:last season without el nino we had 2 weak canes, no majors. this season we have all of last seasons negative factors on steroids and now we add a powerful el nino. 3/0/0 is a possibility.


Looking at 1997, Hurricanes Bill and Danny both developed outside of the deep tropics and both the east coast region and the gulf are experiencing near normal instability. Erica was the only major hurricane in 1997 and it did develop in the deep tropics, so there's certainly some merit in forecasting no major hurricanes this year if instability stays well below average.

I can't see how we have a 3/0/0 season. My best guess is to take 1997, subtract the major due to lack of instability in the deep tropics, but add more storms due to the general trend of naming more storms (better detection).

My poll guess was 10/3/1 but I can easily see a 9/2/0 or a little lower.



its certainly possible we have more named storms.
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#89 Postby Ntxw » Fri May 02, 2014 7:06 pm

Just as a reference, the US coastline will be going it's 9th year/season without a major hurricane landfall. Subsequently Florida is going the same distance in terms of no hurricane landfalls...yes Florida of all states. Pretty remarkable stretch. Will 2014 continue these streaks?
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#90 Postby ninel conde » Sat May 03, 2014 8:19 am

Ntxw wrote:Just as a reference, the US coastline will be going it's 9th year/season without a major hurricane landfall. Subsequently Florida is going the same distance in terms of no hurricane landfalls...yes Florida of all states. Pretty remarkable stretch. Will 2014 continue these streaks?


yes, though a minimal cane is possible for florida.
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#91 Postby vbhoutex » Sat May 03, 2014 8:41 am

ninel conde wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Just as a reference, the US coastline will be going it's 9th year/season without a major hurricane landfall. Subsequently Florida is going the same distance in terms of no hurricane landfalls...yes Florida of all states. Pretty remarkable stretch. Will 2014 continue these streaks?


yes, though a minimal cane is possible for florida.

Your reasoning? And what about other areas of the coastline?
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#92 Postby HurrMark » Sat May 03, 2014 9:29 am

I will go with 9-2-1. One Erika-like cat 3 hurricane that doesn't bother anyone...probably a couple of cat 1s in the "right place at the right time". Also a bunch of badly sheared messes. My guess is probably no hurricane landfalls in the US, although a June-July hit like Danny isn't out of the question, especially if El Niño's main impacts aren't felt until later in the summer. If no hurricanes strike the US, it will be the 7th time in the last 15 seasons without a landfall.
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#93 Postby Kingarabian » Sat May 03, 2014 2:21 pm

2014 is the calm before the storm (2015).

If we get a nice El-Nino, expect a rewarding La-Nina.
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#94 Postby wxman57 » Sat May 03, 2014 4:35 pm

Kingarabian wrote:2014 is the calm before the storm (2015).

If we get a nice El-Nino, expect a rewarding La-Nina.


La Nina may be good for Hawaii, but not for the Atlantic Basin. Death and destruction isn't very "rewarding".
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#95 Postby ninel conde » Sat May 03, 2014 4:39 pm

vbhoutex wrote:
ninel conde wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Just as a reference, the US coastline will be going it's 9th year/season without a major hurricane landfall. Subsequently Florida is going the same distance in terms of no hurricane landfalls...yes Florida of all states. Pretty remarkable stretch. Will 2014 continue these streaks?


yes, though a minimal cane is possible for florida.

Your reasoning? And what about other areas of the coastline?


odd things can always happen in an otherwise dead season. other than that occuring the coastline appears safe to me.
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#96 Postby Kingarabian » Sat May 03, 2014 4:59 pm

wxman57 wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:2014 is the calm before the storm (2015).

If we get a nice El-Nino, expect a rewarding La-Nina.


La Nina may be good for Hawaii, but not for the Atlantic Basin.


My bad, should've worded my post better.

Rewarding as in, a potentially active Atlantic hurricane season which is rewarding for people who like eye-candy and love to track hurricanes.

Of course I hope everyone stays safe from mother natures dark side!
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Re: 2014 hurricane season forecasts

#97 Postby SFLcane » Sat May 03, 2014 8:54 pm

Appears safe? (ninel conde) Please do us all a favor STOP with these erational posts. You are aware major hurricanes CAN occur even in the strongest of el ninos? Numbers predicted arent important all it takes is 1 were YOU live.
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#98 Postby Andrew92 » Sat May 03, 2014 10:56 pm

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If we are looking beyond this El Nino, the year I fear the most isn't quite 2015, although a major hurricane hitting the US next year wouldn't surprise me. Instead, I fear 2016, a lot.

Assuming this El Nino lasts until next winter, after every traditional East Pacific-based El Nino, the second year every single time in the satellite era has seen a hurricane of 960 mb or lower pressure strike somewhere on the mainland US. 1967, 1979, 1989, 1996, 1999, 2004, 2008, 2011. All of these years (plus a few others I didn't mention) met that criteria and all had at least one hurricane with a deep low pressure hit somewhere on the US with destructive effects. In fact, US landfalling hurricanes of any intensity have a significantly higher rate of happening in these second years after an El Nino (or first year after a Modoki episode) than any other year. At least, that is what recent history tells us. (Keep in mind too, I actually think 960 mb or lower should always be considered a major event, regards of wind speed and Saffir/Simpson category. Just about every such event has proven devastating.)

But we should first just be talking about 2014. I have to say that I would be very surprised if a major hurricane with a pressure that low struck the US. It would likely take an Alicia-like scenario for that to happen this year, with conditions likely very hostile for development for the long-tracking, classical hurricanes that we are more accustomed to seeing. But I do believe one hurricane will strike the US, probably on the Gulf Coast somewhere as that seems to be a norm for US hurricanes in these types of years.

Just remember too, as unlikely as it is....Betsy occurred in an El Nino year, too. There could also always be a scenario like Agnes (also in a strong El Nino year) where an otherwise come-and-go type storm that doesn't appear to do much at first produces massive flooding as it dies out.

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#99 Postby ninel conde » Sun May 04, 2014 6:40 am

SFLcane wrote:Appears safe? (ninel conde) Please do us all a favor STOP with these erational posts. You are aware major hurricanes CAN occur even in the strongest of el ninos? Numbers predicted arent important all it takes is 1 were YOU live.


thats always a possibilty, however, we are now seeing what i expected for yet another season. the heat, drought and ridge is once again setting up over texas meaning a protective nw flow over the east coast and GOM.
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#100 Postby islandguy246 » Sun May 04, 2014 6:30 pm

ninel conde wrote:
SFLcane wrote:Appears safe? (ninel conde) Please do us all a favor STOP with these erational posts. You are aware major hurricanes CAN occur even in the strongest of el ninos? Numbers predicted arent important all it takes is 1 were YOU live.


thats always a possibilty, however, we are now seeing what i expected for yet another season. the heat, drought and ridge is once again setting up over texas meaning a protective nw flow over the east coast and GOM.


wouldn't El Nino mean no drought for Texas?
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