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#81 Postby Dean4Storms » Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:21 pm

This convective blow-up off the north coast of Honduras is looking suspicious too me. If it maintains overnight we may have a TD by tomorrow AM!!!
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#82 Postby Ivanhater » Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:25 pm

Dean4Storms wrote:This convective blow-up off the north coast of Honduras is looking suspicious too me. If it maintains overnight we may have a TD by tomorrow AM!!!


Normally I would not pay much attention to these types of systems, but boy this one has been VERY persistent.
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#83 Postby cycloneye » Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:25 pm

Dean4Storms wrote:This convective blow-up off the north coast of Honduras is looking suspicious too me. If it maintains overnight we may have a TD by tomorrow AM!!!


2 Things have to occur before we can say it will be a TD.First it has to persist for 24-36 hours meaning the convection and second it has to separate from land as right now land interaction is in place.
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#84 Postby SouthFloridawx » Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:26 pm

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#85 Postby mvtrucking » Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:34 pm

We will definitely feel the effect's of the cold front tonight, maybe 62 tonight for a low? Nice...
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#86 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:36 pm

I agree south Floridawx. But theres almost no chance for this to become a td intill it makes it into the gulf.
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#87 Postby Dean4Storms » Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:38 pm

cycloneye wrote:
Dean4Storms wrote:This convective blow-up off the north coast of Honduras is looking suspicious too me. If it maintains overnight we may have a TD by tomorrow AM!!!


2 Things have to occur before we can say it will be a TD.First it has to persist for 24-36 hours meaning the convection and second it has to separate from land as right now land interaction is in place.



Yea and no, we have seen TD's blow up alot faster than that with less deep convection and very close to land. Although what you state is a general rule, it is not without exceptions Luis.

Taking a look at IR imagery I see counterclockwise rotating convective cloud tops over the deepest convection and clockwise outflows at UL's especially on the north and eastern side of this deep convection. Like I said, if it maintians this overnite it could very well develop a closed low at the surface by 12:00 noon tomorrow, not saying it will, just that if it maintains this current deepening convection it could.


http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/watl/loop-avn.html
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#88 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:55 pm

The ssts and oceanic heat content are high, and this area of convection
has been somewhat persistent since earlier today....development is
possible.
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#89 Postby SouthFloridawx » Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:57 pm

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/watl/loop-rgb.html

200mb analysis from the tafb indicates only 10kt shear over the gulf right now.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tafb/QHQA17.jpg

I would watch to see if convection from the caribbean persists and a surface trough does develope in the southeastern gulf.

With Building High moving west from bermuda would create a more favorable environment and the trough scooting out to the northeast... stearing currents will be very weak.
If you look at the sat pics we may be seeing this starting to unfold.
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/watl/loop-rgb.html


Weak stearing currents will be left over in the gulf as the trough moves out.
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real- ... 8dlm2.html
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#90 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:05 pm

19.8 north/85.5 appears to be a MLC....Which is moving westward or west-northwestward. The area of convection has formed over a surface trough at 83.5 west. With maybe a weak MLC just aout 15.5/83. Which would place it right on the coast.

Good job SouthFloridawx!
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#91 Postby djones65 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:09 pm

Before a TD can form we need to have a low level circulation. This complex is a result of upper level diffluence southeast of an upper trough and surface convergence over the western Caribbean. As the strong/gale force trade winds over the central and western Caribbean reach central america there is convergence along the Honduras and Nicaragua coast. There is no low level circulation so therefore, no chance for a tropical cyclone to form in the near future.
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#92 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:10 pm

Also with the MLC at 19.8/85.5 appears that convection is trying to form just to the east/northeast of it.
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#93 Postby Nimbus » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:14 pm

The southern extent of the tropical wave south of Cuba was flaring yesterday. At that time an ULL was enhancing the convection. Convection seems persistant and the front appears too far north to pick this area up.
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#94 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:15 pm

djones65 wrote:Before a TD can form we need to have a low level circulation. This complex is a result of upper level diffluence southeast of an upper trough and surface convergence over the western Caribbean. As the strong/gale force trade winds over the central and western Caribbean reach central america there is convergence along the Honduras and Nicaragua coast. There is no low level circulation so therefore, no chance for a tropical cyclone to form in the near future.


I agree...Maybe a weak MLC at 19.8/85.5 west with the tropical wave its self. But most of this is as you say air rising up/converging. Which can also be called a surface trough.
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#95 Postby drezee » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:18 pm

don't get alarmed, but when the storms collapse there will be a mid-level that shows up...please don't go crazy about it...
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#96 Postby SouthFloridawx » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:18 pm

Please of low level convergence over the se gom.
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real- ... 8conv.html

More than enough upper level divergence in the caribbean
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real- ... g8dvg.html
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#97 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:20 pm

That is perfectly normal when the convection falls apart for a mid level to form. Or at least look like theres one.
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#98 Postby HurricaneHunter914 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:35 pm

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/watl/avn-l.jpg

What most tropical waves need for possible development is persistence..... and this system has persisted and stayed strong for a long time. I think that we might actually get a Tropical Cyclone from this system and we actually have something to watch.
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#99 Postby bigmoney755 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:40 pm

TWO says no development is expected.
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#100 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:41 pm

Shear has lessened...oceanic heat content and SSTs are high, conditions
are becoming more favorable for development as explained by SouthFloridawx
in a post above.
Convection as of 10:40 PM EST looks intense over the Central America
Coastline and the NW Caribbean.
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real- ... xirg8n.GIF
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