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#81 Postby StormTracker » Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:50 pm

Basically, that NOGAPS is saying that Helene is not gonna "shoot the gap"(pun intended)!!! :wink:
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#82 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:20 pm

15/2345 UTC 17.4N 42.7W T4.0/4.0 HELENE -- Atlantic Ocean


SSD has 65kt T number estimates for Helene.Will she be classified as a hurricane at 11 PM?
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#83 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:40 pm

It is likely a hurricane...What else you can see is powerful outflow developing over the east/south quads. This is classic for a storm that is about ready to go through maybe even a strong/EXtream RIC. We will see if it can circle around the whole storm. Nice central core very nice.

I say this is a hurricane now(NO I"M NOT A WEATHER GOD! just stating it with fact that t numbers are pointing to what it is)

6 70 knots
12 75 knots
24 85 knots
36 100 knots
48 115 knots
60 120 knots
72 120 knots

This appears to be very faverable for a RIC. Disagree if you went...But my or your option is not proven to after the fact. :ggreen:
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#84 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:41 pm

TROPICAL STORM HELENE (AL082006) ON 20060916 0000 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS... ...36 HRS...
060916 0000 060916 1200 060917 0000 060917 1200

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMD 16.9N 43.3W 17.9N 44.9W 18.8N 46.2W 19.5N 47.4W
BAMM 16.9N 43.3W 18.1N 45.0W 19.2N 46.4W 19.9N 48.0W
A98E 16.9N 43.3W 18.2N 45.8W 19.2N 48.0W 20.0N 49.9W
LBAR 16.9N 43.3W 18.3N 45.3W 19.2N 46.9W 19.9N 48.4W
SHIP 60KTS 69KTS 76KTS 80KTS
DSHP 60KTS 69KTS 76KTS 80KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS... ..120 HRS...
060918 0000 060919 0000 060920 0000 060921 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMD 20.2N 48.5W 21.9N 50.3W 23.5N 52.8W 26.1N 55.2W
BAMM 20.6N 49.4W 21.6N 51.3W 22.6N 53.4W 24.7N 54.9W
A98E 20.1N 52.0W 19.4N 56.2W 16.8N 60.1W 13.8N 62.4W
LBAR 20.4N 49.9W 21.0N 53.0W 21.4N 56.6W 21.5N 59.1W
SHIP 84KTS 87KTS 89KTS 89KTS
DSHP 84KTS 87KTS 89KTS 89KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 16.9N LONCUR = 43.3W DIRCUR = 300DEG SPDCUR = 14KT
LATM12 = 15.5N LONM12 = 40.8W DIRM12 = 300DEG SPDM12 = 14KT
LATM24 = 14.3N LONM24 = 38.3W
WNDCUR = 60KT RMAXWD = 25NM WNDM12 = 50KT
CENPRS = 992MB OUTPRS = 1011MB OUTRAD = 350NM SDEPTH = D
RD34NE = 100NM RD34SE = 75NM RD34SW = 50NM RD34NW = 100NM

Interesting the track of LBAR but I know is not the best model to follow.The models keep Helene as a storm.
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#85 Postby CrazyC83 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:42 pm

Right now I think it is still a TS (barely). I'm not going to make an amended prediction, but I could very well make the upgrade at 11pm in my view, regardless of the NHC.

Tomorrow's updates may be slower and possibly missed due to the tornado outbreak which is possible.
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#86 Postby HURAKAN » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:43 pm

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CDO DEVELOPING?
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#87 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:45 pm

That is in pass tense. It already has one. The satellite I'm currently looking at shows very strong outflow over the south and east quads.
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#88 Postby Toadstool » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:46 pm

HURAKAN wrote:CDO DEVELOPING?


Possibly... depends on what a CDO is! :)

Is there a list of acronyms used on this website?
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#89 Postby HurricaneHunter914 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:49 pm

If this continues, she might be at 80-90 mph at the 5 AM.
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#90 Postby Derek Ortt » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:50 pm

the center position seems to be on the edge of the convective envelope
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#91 Postby HURAKAN » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:51 pm

Toadstool wrote:
HURAKAN wrote:CDO DEVELOPING?


Possibly... depends on what a CDO is! :)


Central Dense Overcast = A nice ball of convection over the center that is stable, meaning, doesn't dissappear and make a comeback later on.
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#92 Postby brunota2003 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:53 pm

Toadstool wrote:
HURAKAN wrote:CDO DEVELOPING?


Possibly... depends on what a CDO is! :)

Is there a list of acronyms used on this website?
Here is a thread with links to acronyms commonly used: http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=88557
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#93 Postby Nimbus » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:54 pm

Luis,

That nice dry air you are having from the south this evening is the western side of a high pressure flow.

The LBAR and A98E models must have Helene catching up with the eastern edge of the high as it builds later in the forecast period. The steering would be more out of the north in such a scenario?

She is really spinning up this evening and her forward speed is a little slower, both good things to keep her from getting under the eastern edge of that high.
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#94 Postby Derek Ortt » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:57 pm

She looks impressive at a first glane

However, look at that center position... she is close to becoming a naked circ. The center is fixed at 43.3W... right on the SW edge of the convection
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#95 Postby Toadstool » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:01 pm

brunota2003 wrote:
Toadstool wrote:
HURAKAN wrote:CDO DEVELOPING?


Possibly... depends on what a CDO is! :)

Is there a list of acronyms used on this website?
Here is a thread with links to acronyms commonly used: http://www.storm2k.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=88557


Thanks! It would be nice to have something besides a thread that just is a list of definitions (quick reference guide I suppose). I'll even put it together if need be.

For Helene, the stronger she gets (up to Cat 3 I see), does that mean she can steer herself westward regardless of the pressure ridge (or lack thereof) north?
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#96 Postby Lowpressure » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:02 pm

Not so sure that is an accurate fix. Sat on NRL looks very well centered, but not across 43 yet. May have relocated under cdo.
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#97 Postby cycloneye » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:20 pm

SkeetoBite Graphic of Models

What is LBAR track thinking?
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#98 Postby SouthFloridawx » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:21 pm

cycloneye wrote:SkeetoBite Graphic of Models

What is LBAR track thinking?


What is the A98E thinking?
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#99 Postby trugunz » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:24 pm

A98E is on crack
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#100 Postby Evil Jeremy » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:26 pm

cycloneye wrote:SkeetoBite Graphic of Models

What is LBAR track thinking?


more importantly, what the heck is the A98E track thinking?!?!?!
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