Area of convection (Former 92L)

This is the general tropical discussion area. Anyone can take their shot at predicting a storms path.

Moderator: S2k Moderators

Forum rules

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecasts and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or STORM2K. For official information, please refer to products from the National Hurricane Center and National Weather Service.

Help Support Storm2K
Message
Author
User avatar
HURAKAN
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 46086
Age: 38
Joined: Thu May 20, 2004 4:34 pm
Location: Key West, FL
Contact:

Re:

#81 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:21 am

HURAKAN wrote:At least worth dicussing it!!!

805 EDT TWD:

TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 71W/72W S OF 30N MOVING W 15-20 KT. THIS
WAVE HAS SHOWED UP WELL IN RECENT QUIKSCAT AND ASCAT PASSES.
SATELLITE IMAGERY NOW SHOWS A LITTLE MORE CYCLONIC TURNING ALONG
THE WAVE JUST E OF THE CENTRAL BAHAMAS. HOWEVER...AM NOT SURE
THERE IS A CLOSED SFC LOW WITH THIS SPINNING...WITH BAHAMAS
METAR DATA TO THE S OF THE CIRCULATION REPORTING LIGHT NE WINDS.
WILL DIAGNOSE THIS AGAIN FOR THE 22/1200 UTC MAP AS MORE VISIBLE
IMAGERY BECOMES AVAILABLE. DISORGANIZED SCATTERED SHOWERS AND
TSTMS ARE BEGINNING TO MOVE THROUGH THE BAHAMAS FROM 21N-29N
BETWEEN 72W-78W...WHICH IS ALSO BEING SUPPORTED BY DIFFLUENT
FLOW ALOFT AROUND THE NRN PERIPHERY OF THE UPPER LOW JUST S OF
CUBA. UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE NOT FAVORABLE FOR SIGNIFICANT
DEVELOPMENT
OF THIS SYSTEM
. THERE IS ALSO NUMEROUS
MODERATE/ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION FURTHER S WITH THE CARIBBEAN
PORTION OF THE WAVE...S OF 15N BETWEEN 73W-80W.


The wording is very important. They don't say it's completely unfavorable, just that for significant development, I guess, meaning a hurricane, winds are not favorable. Nonetheless, you can't rule out a Barry-like or Erin-like system. If the system slows down a little bit, then maybe a LLC can develop.

But Dean may be giving us a sign here. Dean is far into the southern GOM, but it's still moving at 20 mph. So, if this system is closer to the influences of the high pressure, how will it slow down? Could we have a Erika-like system, that was moving extremely fast but was able to develop? A lot of questions and very few answers.
0 likes   

User avatar
hiflyer
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 562
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:24 am
Location: West Broward Florida

#82 Postby hiflyer » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:29 am

From the EYW discussion at 441am
FORECAST - AFOREMENTIONED VIGOROUS TROPICAL WAVE WILL MOVE WESTWARD
ACROSS SOUTH FLORIDA AND THE KEYS LATER TODAY INTO TONIGHT. SATELLITE
DERIVED WIND AND PRECIPITABLE WATER PRODUCTS VALIDATE THE GFS MODEL
FORECASTS WHICH INDICATE A DECENT REFLECTION OF THIS WAVE IN THE
LOWER TROPOSPHERE...AND PWAT VALUES INCREASING TO OVER 2 INCHES ALONG
THE WAVE AXIS. INFRARED SATELLITE LOOPS SHOW PERSISTENT CONVECTION
MOVING WEST INTO THE NORTHWEST BAHAMAS DURING THE OVERNIGHT HOURS.
GIVEN THE APPARENT STRENGTH OF THIS WAVE DOWN INTO THE LOWER LEVELS...
ABUNDANT MOISTURE AND THE GOOD SATELLITE PRESENTATION...WILL INCREASE
POPS TO 50 PERCENT FOR THE FORECAST AREA TODAY AND TONIGHT. FEEL THAT
THE MOST LIKELY TIME FOR CONVECTION WILL OCCUR THIS AFTERNOON AND
EVENING AS THE WAVE MOVES THROUGH.

and from MIA at 0310
THE GFS IS AGGRESSIVE WITH THE BAHAMAS SYSTEM, MOVING MID LEVEL
VORTICITY MAXIMA ACROSS MAINLAND SOUTH FLORIDA TODAY AND TONIGHT
WHILE THE NAM IS SLOWER. IN FACT, THE 00Z GFS LATCHES ONTO ONE
VORTICITY CENTER EAST OF ABACO AT 12Z AND DIGS IT TO BIMINI BY 18Z
AND CAPE SABLE BY 00Z THURSDAY...AND SATELLITE DOES SHOW A BURST
OF CONVECTION WITH THIS FEATURE IN THE RIGHT PLACE EAST OF THE
BAHAMAS. WHILE CONVECTIVE FEEDBACK MAY BE PART OF IT, I AM
ASSUMING THE GFS HAS THE RIGHT IDEA IN MOVING IT ACROSS THE
SOUTHERN PENINSULA AND I WILL GO ABOVE THE STATISTICAL GUIDANCE
FOR POPS TODAY ESPECIALLY ALLIGATOR ALLEY SOUTH. THE TIMING AND
CONSISTENCY OF TROPICAL WAVES/UPPER LOWS HAS BEEN A TROUBLESOME IN
THE PAST, WITH CONVECTION ON CYCLES THAT ARE SOMETIMES A MYSTERY.
AT ANY RATE THE RESULT SHOULD BE THE SAME, AN INCREASE IN MID AND
UPPER LEVEL MOISTURE AND AN INCREASE IN POPS TO ABOVE CLIMATOLOGY
BEGINNING TODAY AND LASTING THROUGH THE UPCOMING WEEKEND.
0 likes   

User avatar
ronjon
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 4829
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:17 pm
Location: Hernando Beach, FL

Re: Area in Western Atlantic (Former 92L)

#83 Postby ronjon » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:30 am

I'm seeing a low pressure circulation with high resolution VIS SAT near 25.5N-74W. It is mainly lacking any deep convection on the south and east sides. I think this thing is battling the shear monster now - if it can move every so slightly NW away from the ULL I believe it has a good chance to develop into a tropical depression. Shear drops dramatically to the north and their is heavy convection in place. This feature is also entering the extremely warm water of the bahamas so this could turn out to be the feature to watch over the next 24 hrs.

http://weather.cod.edu/analysis/satrad.regional.html
0 likes   

User avatar
boca
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 6369
Age: 60
Joined: Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:49 am
Location: Boca Raton,FL

Re: Area in Western Atlantic (Former 92L)

#84 Postby boca » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:46 am

Looks like a circulation center about 25 miles NNE of Nassau on this lsat pic.
http://weather.sun-sentinel.com/global/ ... llite.html

Shear also seems to be decreasing in the area too. Maybe the ULL is having less influence on the wave.
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real- ... g8sht.html
0 likes   

User avatar
HURAKAN
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 46086
Age: 38
Joined: Thu May 20, 2004 4:34 pm
Location: Key West, FL
Contact:

#85 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:56 am

Image

We know something ia trying to get going, but it still has a wave-like look!!!
0 likes   

User avatar
hiflyer
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 562
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:24 am
Location: West Broward Florida

#86 Postby hiflyer » Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:57 am

http://weather.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/sampl ... llite.html

not sure I see it there but if it is looks to be going south of the peninsula which would wake EYW NWS right up.
0 likes   

User avatar
HURAKAN
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 46086
Age: 38
Joined: Thu May 20, 2004 4:34 pm
Location: Key West, FL
Contact:

#87 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:00 am

I think the system is organized enough to be 92L once again.
0 likes   

User avatar
boca
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 6369
Age: 60
Joined: Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:49 am
Location: Boca Raton,FL

Re:

#88 Postby boca » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:04 am

HURAKAN wrote:I think the system is organized enough to be 92L once again.


Its not on the navy site yet, but I agree with you.
http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc_pages/tc_home.html
0 likes   

User avatar
hiflyer
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 562
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:24 am
Location: West Broward Florida

#89 Postby hiflyer » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:07 am

hmmm MIA longrange radar now covering the stuff around NAS....tracking about 240 deg at about 20 mph...coming thru the gap between Abaco and Harbour right now.

http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/radar.ph ... 1&loop=yes
0 likes   

User avatar
HURAKAN
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 46086
Age: 38
Joined: Thu May 20, 2004 4:34 pm
Location: Key West, FL
Contact:

#90 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:13 am

Latest:

Image
0 likes   

Dean4Storms
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 6358
Age: 62
Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2003 1:01 pm
Location: Miramar Bch. FL

#91 Postby Dean4Storms » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:16 am

Needs watching for sure, but I don't think the spin is anything more than a left over MLC which could with time and convection work its way to the surface.
0 likes   

User avatar
boca
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 6369
Age: 60
Joined: Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:49 am
Location: Boca Raton,FL

Re: Area in Western Atlantic (Former 92L)

#92 Postby boca » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:16 am

It actually looked better in the previous satelite picture, this thing is moving too fast to develop.
0 likes   

User avatar
hiflyer
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 562
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:24 am
Location: West Broward Florida

Re: Area in Western Atlantic (Former 92L)

#93 Postby hiflyer » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:20 am

boca wrote:It actually looked better in the previous satelite picture, this thing is moving too fast to develop.


Yup...looks that a way for before Florida but if it doen't keep going towards Cuba it may have a chance on the 'other side'....the dark side...the GOM...grin.

I swear the Bahamas weather service is on dialup out there...always difficult to get in...grin
http://www.bahamasweather.org.bs/
Last edited by hiflyer on Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:27 am, edited 1 time in total.
0 likes   

caneman

Re: Area in Western Atlantic (Former 92L)

#94 Postby caneman » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:26 am

Well, latest Quikscat is out and looks like some bedning of the windfield with 25kt winds. Possible LLc? You decide. doesn't appear to be enough time to get much going though.

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/sat-bin/disp ... C_SCALE=15
0 likes   

User avatar
tailgater
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 3339
Joined: Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:13 pm
Location: St. Amant La.

Re: Area in Western Atlantic (Former 92L)

#95 Postby tailgater » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:31 am

hiflyer wrote:
boca wrote:It actually looked better in the previous satelite picture, this thing is moving too fast to develop.


Yup...looks that a way for before Florida but if it doen't keep going towards Cuba it may have a chance on the 'other side'....the dark side...the GOM...grin.

It did the same thing yesterday, looked fairly impressive in predawn to 8am hrs. then lost most all of it's convection.GFS and most other models have a weak 850mb vortex moving allmost due west and slowing when it nears Texas coast, Also have the ULL heading NW and weaking. So I don't think we'll much out this wave until it gets well into the dark side.
0 likes   

User avatar
boca
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 6369
Age: 60
Joined: Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:49 am
Location: Boca Raton,FL

Re: Area in Western Atlantic (Former 92L)

#96 Postby boca » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:36 am

It would be really nice for this wave to develop into a depression or a minimal tropical storm because its been a while since we had rain here. Lake O is still at 9.47 ft which is really bad since are dry season will be here in 2 months.
0 likes   

jlauderdal
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 7188
Joined: Wed May 19, 2004 5:46 am
Location: NE Fort Lauderdale
Contact:

Re: Area in Western Atlantic (Former 92L)

#97 Postby jlauderdal » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:39 am

hiflyer wrote:
boca wrote:It actually looked better in the previous satelite picture, this thing is moving too fast to develop.


Yup...looks that a way for before Florida but if it doen't keep going towards Cuba it may have a chance on the 'other side'....the dark side...the GOM...grin.

I swear the Bahamas weather service is on dialup out there...always difficult to get in...grin
http://www.bahamasweather.org.bs/

ok, im putting people out of their misery and naming it the JLAUDERDAL wave. the jlauderdal model, disco, track at 11 am. so now we have a named system, now everyone get back to work, the economy needs u.
0 likes   

User avatar
boca
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 6369
Age: 60
Joined: Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:49 am
Location: Boca Raton,FL

Re: Area in Western Atlantic (Former 92L)

#98 Postby boca » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:43 am

jlauderdal wrote:
hiflyer wrote:
boca wrote:It actually looked better in the previous satelite picture, this thing is moving too fast to develop.


Yup...looks that a way for before Florida but if it doen't keep going towards Cuba it may have a chance on the 'other side'....the dark side...the GOM...grin.

I swear the Bahamas weather service is on dialup out there...always difficult to get in...grin
http://www.bahamasweather.org.bs/

ok, im putting people out of their misery and naming it the JLAUDERDAL wave. the jlauderdal model, disco, track at 11 am. so now we have a named system, now everyone get back to work, the economy needs u.


The jlauderdale wave needs to fill Lake O can you have it dance that way.
0 likes   

User avatar
hiflyer
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 562
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:24 am
Location: West Broward Florida

#99 Postby hiflyer » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:46 am

That puts me OUT of my misery? :D :D

FYI took 20 mins to get the 9a bahamas radar pix out of NAS....stuff NE of the islands but nothing major...more of what we already see on NWS MIA radar and moving pretty much on the 240-250 line. Guess no water for the Lake O watershed north of the lake today...dang.

I was thinking of hitting refresh on the bahamas radar but not sure I would have the pic before the storms show on the NWS radar.... :double:

Got to be a 1200 baud modem over there....wouldn't dare ask for a loop

fyi about a 5 degree jump in SST due for this when it gets south of the peninsula....thru the strait....just as a thought.
0 likes   

User avatar
skysummit
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 5305
Age: 49
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:09 pm
Location: Ponchatoula, LA
Contact:

Re: Area in Western Atlantic (Former 92L)

#100 Postby skysummit » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:00 am

SSTs aren't the problem with this. If only it would slow down a bit and/or that darn ULL would move out faster.
0 likes   


Return to “Talkin' Tropics”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google Adsense [Bot], HurricaneBelle and 31 guests