HAARP and Katrina

[Lurker]

Last night I was watching the history channel and they were talking about HAARP and weather control. They went into discussions about Katrina possibly being created by HAARP and steered towards New Orleans. They sited "perfect conditions" and the fact that Katrina went in a straight line which they said never occurs. Did anyone else see this documentary? If so is this even remotely possible with today's technology? It seemed pretty outrageous to me.

[vbhoutex]

This discussion has been held before on this board. It is old news and what they claimed happened did not and is basically impossible.

[Macrocane]

I've noticed that History channel has been entering on the pseudo-science and sci-fi fields this year wich I think it's entertaining but it has to be taken carefully. I agree with vbhoutex, it's impossible.

[vbhoutex]

I've noticed that History channel has been entering on the pseudo-science and sci-fi fields this year wich I think it's entertaining but it has to be taken carefully. I agree with vbhoutex, it's impossible.

I like the History Channel, but I have become less happy with it because of the above. History says to me that it is something that has been verified, not something that can't be verified and is just someones conjecture.

[Lurker]

This discussion has been held before on this board. It is old news and what they claimed happened did not and is basically impossible.

Sorry I wasn't aware it was previously discussed. It was the first time I've seen such a program and it kind of surprised me to see it run that way. The NHC has difficulty predicting intensity and the 5 day tracks have large errors yet somehow we have the ability to create and steer storms. It didn't add up. You can lock this thread or delete since it is old news. Thanks

[somethingfunny]

Aside from how offensive and ridiculous the idea that the History Channel tried to pass off as a legitimate theory is...Katrina wasn't even the worst case scenario. So if someone were controlling the weather and created Katrina so that they could destroy New Orleans and wipe out all the poor people or the gays or blacks or gangbangers or Democrats or Republicans or Ron Paul Supporters or whatever crackpot theories these people hold....they didn't even do a very good job! Landfall 30 miles east and 40mph stronger would have been the ultimate disaster scenario. That would have destroyed the levees at the height of the storm and left everybody attempting to escape their flooded homes exposed to 160mph+ wind gusts. As it was in New Orleans, if you managed to escape your home, you'd be safe assuming you survived the chaotic next few days.

You can't say "this disaster was so perfect it MUST have been engineered by an all-powerful evil government entity" when in fact it WASN'T perfect. I don't mean any offense to anybody affected by Hurricane Katrina because of course it was a horrific disaster, but it's really MORE offensive to attempt to trivialize it by assigning badly-analyzed blame.

I never actually watched the History Channel special on this but I think if I did I would write my cable provider and ask them to remove that channel specifically from my lineup and let the station know why that happened. I understand history is written by the victors but this is outrageous.

[jinftl]

That the fringe of society has found a semblance of a voice through a nationwide cable tv station is beyond disturbing. Airing programs like this gives a semblance of credibility in an attempt to garner viewers. Weather is not a punishment sent to ‘take care of’ the poor, minorities, gays, and general non-believers. Katrina was the result of high oceanic heat content, favorable atmospheric conditions, and coastal regions at or below sea-level facing a flooding threat.

The federal and local responses to Katrina were enough….no hidden conspiracy theory is needed. Look, we have built on the coast. Most of the time, this results in an enjoyable quality of life. Storms threaten from time to time, nothing hidden or cryptic about that. Respect the threats, trust your instincts, and err on the side of caution and all will be fine.

This was not a worst case scenario for New Orleans and her suburbs. Not even close. Interesting how if you view Katrina as a as man-made or vengeance-induced event though, there is no reason to take responsibility….both at the individual citizen and government level…for preparing in advance for future storms. Easier to blame than take responsibility.

History has shown that propaganda and lies, introduced to the downtrodden and impressionable, does take root. Scary.

[brunota2003]

That is the equivalent of saying the Hurricane that took out Galveston, TX was created and steered by the gov't.

[RL3AO]

and the fact that Katrina went in a straight line which they said never occurs.

Worst...straight...line...ever....

But I have to give them credit for weakening a tropical depression into a wave, keeping it from developing for four days then redeveloping it into a new tropical depression then steering it into florida and then steering it WSW over the warmest part of the GOM then timing it perfectly by creating an ejecting upper level trough over southern canada and then sending it west of New Orleans as a cat 5.

Well, they screwed up the last part but they did well with the rest.

[jinftl]

Doubtful that the government....our own or those of other nations....along with the Lord Almighty either conspired or acting independently to teach the folks of the northern gulf 'a lesson'. I took a look at some of the websites that push the HAARP idea, and quite honestly, I am thinking the feds are going to be knocking on my door to take me away for even visiting these sites. The proponents of the HAARP theory also tie in school shootings, AIDS, Obama (even when he was a senator...somehow former Pres. Bush gets less blame for katrina than Obama) and Russia-by-way-of-Saudi-Arabia connections as well to all of this.

One side effect of the internet revolution.....schizophrenics can find a voice through their websites.

[Nimbus]

The story got started because the HAARP transmissions were increased as the storm intensified. It was really just a case of reverse cause and effect. The Navy and for that matter all maritime radio communications are improved when the ionosphere is energized because it reflects the signals better. I'm sure the HAARP project ionosphere heaters were just trying to improve communications at a critical time when a menacing storm would require maritime alerts.

[Derek Ortt]

if Katrina was controlled, it would not have collapsed before landfall like Lili and it would not have passed east of New Orleans

Beyond laughable

[jinftl]

yep, in spite of the unimaginable loss and suffering experienced in new orleans from katrina, folks need to realize....and it is important that they realize....this was not a 'worst case' scenario. It is just a matter of time before the 'we made it through katrina' rationale is given to an approaching threat that could once again reset the standard for landmark storms in that area. The same could be said for Andrew and Ike...these were not 'worst case scenarios' for Miami and Houston.

if Katrina was controlled, it would not have collapsed before landfall like Lili and it would not have passed east of New Orleans

Beyond laughable

[ericinmia]

My uncle is the main researcher for NRL that envisioned/started/managed/ran HAARP up until his recent partial retirement.

I have seen the entire facilitiy first hand in Alaska, and while it is VERY impressive and cool, and we do joke with him about controlling the weather, or people's minds.... The facility can't do either.
I have a few funny pictures of my entire family outside the main control room wearing tin foil hats made in all types of shapes to protect us from the 'control beams'. haha

I believe you can get small tours of the facility at certain times of year when they have to show the local community that they are not doing anything harmful.
-Eric

[Cryomaniac]

At least it's not espousing the theory that Blackwater blew up the levees...

[Nimbus]

HAARP is a very old technology first envisioned by Tesla. Actual over the horizon communications using the ionosphere was an art Nazi U boat communications officers perfected during WW2. The reason for all the modern day hubbub is rooted in the ongoing environmentalist VS military complex conflict. The environmentalists just use their *natural* cell phones when discussing MCT to confuse the machine.

[terstorm1012]

I've noticed that History channel has been entering on the pseudo-science and sci-fi fields this year wich I think it's entertaining but it has to be taken carefully. I agree with vbhoutex, it's impossible.

This year?

It's been that way since at least 2000!

[Dionne]

Aside from HAARP and Katrina, we have influenced weather. It's documented in Rolling Thunder. In 1966 the USAF began a project named "Popeye". The original intent was to induce an early monsoon season in SE Asia. The plan was to slow down enemy supply lines coming out of Laos. Popeye missions began on 9-29-66 and ended on 10-28-66. A review of 56 cases showed a positive result of 85%.

A similar cloud seeding event happened over Khe Sanh in '68. The objective this time was to dissipate fog over the drop zone. Accounts vary as to the effectiveness. I'm relying primarily on information supplied by men that were on that hill top. The most reasonable answer I have found was that on some occasions the seeding provided a 2 1/2-3 hour window of opportunity for C-123 and C-130 supply drops.

Unfortunately, this "window of opportunity" also worked against USAF efforts.

[CoCo2]

jinfla

How many times do you need to say this before you convince yourself? "This was not a worst case scenario for New Orleans and her suburbs."

While I can't speak for the residents of New Orleans, I think I can speak for myself and the residents of lower Plaquemines and St. Bernard Parish who will tell you that Hurricane Katrina was a worse case scenario. People lost their lives, people lost family members, people lost their homes, their businesses, some lost their entire communities. Schools were destroyed in Lower Plaquemines and won't be coming back. People's sense of safety, well-being and the feeling of community was destroyed. Now four years later, people are still struggling trying to rebuild and still trying to rebuild their lives. Levees that were built to protect failed. I'm not blaming anyone, not the Federal Government or even Mother nature, but if Katrina was not the worse case scenario for the people of lower Plaquemines and St. Bernard parishes, I really hate to see what is.

[Agua]

Dumbest farking idea, ever.