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It's not over 'till it's over.....

#1 Postby dixiebreeze » Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:02 pm

Historical November tropical cyclones
The most extraordinary November hurricanes was "Wrong-Way Lenny", which affected the northern Leeward Islands as a strong Category 4 hurricane with peak winds of 155 mph on November 17-18, 1999. Lenny was the first storm to have an extended west-to-east track across the central and eastern Caribbean Sea in the 135-year Atlantic tropical cyclone record, and was the strongest November hurricane on record. Hurricane Gordon was the deadliest November hurricane. It claimed 1122 lives in Haiti when it passed just west of the country as a tropical storm on November 13, 1994. Lenny claimed six lives in Costa Rica, five in the Dominican Republic, two in Jamaica, two in Cuba, and eight in Florida. Property damage to the United States was estimated at $400 million (1994 dollars), and was severe in Haiti and Cuba as well.

Three November hurricanes have hit the U.S.--an unnamed 1916 Category 1 hurricane that hit the Florida Keys, an unnamed 1925 Category 1 hurricane that struck Sarasota, Florida, and Hurricane Kate, which struck the Florida Panhandle on November 22, 1985.

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We may end this tepid season with a bang. Who knows.
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#2 Postby Macrocane » Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:19 pm

Don't forget Paloma last year, the second strongest ATL hurricane on november after Lenny.
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#3 Postby Ptarmigan » Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:46 pm

Macrocane wrote:Don't forget Paloma last year, the second strongest ATL hurricane on november after Lenny.


Quite an impressive storm. Paloma intensified rather quickly.
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#4 Postby hurricanetrack » Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:13 pm

I remember hurricane Michelle in 2001 as well. It was a powerful cat-4 which hit Cuba and then raked the Bahamas. I went down to the Keys with Jesse Bass just in case the GFDL was right (it was unrelenting in its bringing the hurricane up to Naples until it finally caught on). The outer rain bands did reach south Florida and in the Keys, the wind was impressive. I had never seen palms blow like that, up to that point. The warm, tropical air and rain squalls was awesome.

Here is a link to Jesse's write up. It also has TS Barry in there as well...skip down to the second half of the page. Those were the days....before Charley. Before Ivan. Before Katrina. Wow.

http://www.vastormphoto.com/hurricanephotos.htm
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#5 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:50 pm

Yeah, and Omar last year went the wrong way like Lenny also.
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#6 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:20 pm

Has there ever been a solid November hurricane in an El Nino year? I can't think of any (El Nino had been fading when Florence and Gordon hit in 1994, and that turned out to be a precursor to 1995)

Was 1932 a La Nina year?
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#7 Postby jinftl » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:47 pm

The 1994 el nino continued to strengthen through the summer into the fall and winter of that year (as measured by the ONI nino 3.4 sst anomaly). The average June-July-August 1994 anomaly was +0.6C....that increased to +1.2C for the October-November-December 1994 period. Gordon took place in an overall stronger el nino than we are seeing right now....the current 3-month sst anomaly is +0.8C.

CrazyC83 wrote:Has there ever been a solid November hurricane in an El Nino year? I can't think of any (El Nino had been fading when Florence and Gordon hit in 1994, and that turned out to be a precursor to 1995)

Was 1932 a La Nina year?
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Re: It's not over 'till it's over.....

#8 Postby Frank2 » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:43 am

Not wanting to say this season is over is akin to saying that an old girlfriend of 20 years ago will show up on your doorstep Saturday afternoon - sure, there's a .0001 percentage that it could happen, but the other 99.9999% is more likely...

Sometimes, while never saying never is true, some things are as close to being never as they can be, our own silly imagination not withstanding, and they should be accepted as events that will not take place...

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#9 Postby somethingfunny » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:46 am

Posting now to predict a Subtropical Storm Ida (or maybe Joaquin) will pop up in the mid-Atlantic around Christmas. Just because. 8-)
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#10 Postby Frank2 » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:48 am

Whatever - guess that's why Hollywood makes as much money as they do, since they know there are those who prefer fiction over reality...
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#11 Postby fci » Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:08 pm

somethingfunny wrote:Posting now to predict a Subtropical Storm Ida (or maybe Joaquin) will pop up in the mid-Atlantic around Christmas. Just because. 8-)


That is the safest bet once the Carib is shut down.
A subtropical or short term storm in the fat eastern atlantic.
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Re: It's not over 'till it's over.....

#12 Postby Stormcenter » Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:25 am

So I guess maybe what you're saying is "The season is over with" so accept it and move along.

I'm looking forward to the first snow threat. :)


Frank2 wrote:Not wanting to say this season is over is akin to saying that an old girlfriend of 20 years ago will show up on your doorstep Saturday afternoon - sure, there's a .0001 percentage that it could happen, but the other 99.9999% is more likely...

Sometimes, while never saying never is true, some things are as close to being never as they can be, our own silly imagination not withstanding, and they should be accepted as events that will not take place...

Frank
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