South Atlantic disturbance (Brazil: 18S 38W)

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South Atlantic disturbance (Brazil: 18S 38W)

#1 Postby tolakram » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:52 am

From Jeff Masters:

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMa ... rynum=1442

An area of disturbed weather has formed off the coast of Brazil, near 18S 38W. This disturbance has the potential to develop into subtropical or tropical depression early next week. Satellite winds estimates from the WindSat instrument show an elongated area of converging winds, but no organized surface circulation. Satellite loops show little organization to the cloud pattern, and only limited heavy thunderstorm activity. Wind shear over the region is about 20 knots, which is rather high, and should keep any development slow. Sea surface temperatures are about 28°C, about 1°C above average, and plenty warm enough to support a tropical storm.

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Figure 1. Morning visible satellite image of the Brazilian disturbance.

Several global models, such as the ECMWF, UKMET, and NOGAPS models have been developing this system in recent runs. Phase space diagrams form Florida State University confirm that this storm is expected to primarily be a warm-cored system, meaning it will probably be classifiable as a subtropical or tropical storm if it attains surface wind speeds of at least 39 mph. The system is capable of bringing heavy rains to the Brazilian coast while it is in its formative stages over the next few days, but I doubt that these rains would be heavy enough to cause flooding concerns. By Monday, the storm should be headed southwards or south-eastwards out to sea, and it appears unlikely that Brazil would see tropical storm-force winds of 39+ mph from this system. I give this storm a low (< 30% chance) of developing into a tropical or subtropical depression by Sunday.

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Re: South Atlantic disturbance (Brazil: 18S 38W)

#2 Postby tolakram » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:58 am

You can see the spin in this TPW loop.

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Re: South Atlantic disturbance (Brazil: 18S 38W)

#3 Postby cycloneye » Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:09 am

Is 2004 going to be an analog to 2010?

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That is an interesting question that our pro mets can chim in.I mention 2004 because of Caterina.

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Re: South Atlantic disturbance (Brazil: 18S 38W)

#4 Postby Macrocane » Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:32 am

It will be interesting to watch.
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#5 Postby Derek Ortt » Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:46 pm

don't think you can translate the south atlantic to the north atlantic
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Re: South Atlantic disturbance (Brazil: 18S 38W)

#6 Postby cycloneye » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:01 pm

They are doing tests on this area.

ftp://ftp.tpc.ncep.noaa.gov/atcf/tcweb/

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SL, 80, 2010030506, , BEST, 0, 187S, 270W, 20, 1007, TD, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0,
SL, 80, 2010030512, , BEST, 0, 194S, 284W, 20, 1007, TD, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0,
SL, 80, 2010030518, , BEST, 0, 200S, 300W, 20, 1009, TD,
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#7 Postby KWT » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:08 pm

Yeah they may as well cycloneye, esp given there is a disturbance down there and they can give the models a run out if needs be.
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Re: South Atlantic disturbance (Brazil: 18S 38W)

#8 Postby cycloneye » Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:41 am

It doesn't look like it will develop because of the shear.

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Re: South Atlantic disturbance (Brazil: 18S 38W)

#9 Postby artist » Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:08 pm

cycloneye wrote:Is 2004 going to be an analog to 2010?

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That is an interesting question that our pro mets can chim in.I mention 2004 because of Caterina.

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no. no. no! :grr:
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Re: South Atlantic disturbance (Brazil: 18S 38W)

#10 Postby MaxiBide » Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:27 pm

From Met Office:

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WTNT80 EGRR 071800


MET OFFICE TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE FOR NORTH-EAST PACIFIC

AND ATLANTIC

GLOBAL MODEL DATA TIME 12UTC 07.03.2010

NEW TROPICAL STORM FORECAST TO DEVELOP AFTER 12 HOURS
FORECAST POSITION AT T+ 12 : 24.2S 39.7W

VERIFYING TIME POSITION STRENGTH TENDENCY
-------------- -------- -------- --------
00UTC 08.03.2010 24.2S 39.7W WEAK
12UTC 08.03.2010 27.3S 42.5W WEAK INTENSIFYING SLIGHTLY
00UTC 09.03.2010 29.4S 45.2W WEAK WEAKENING SLIGHTLY
12UTC 09.03.2010 30.1S 47.6W WEAK INTENSIFYING SLIGHTLY
00UTC 10.03.2010 30.1S 47.7W MODERATE LITTLE CHANGE
12UTC 10.03.2010 30.6S 47.7W WEAK LITTLE CHANGE
00UTC 11.03.2010 31.4S 47.0W WEAK WEAKENING SLIGHTLY
12UTC 11.03.2010 32.1S 45.4W WEAK WEAKENING SLIGHTLY
00UTC 12.03.2010 33.5S 42.6W WEAK WEAKENING SLIGHTLY
12UTC 12.03.2010 35.4S 38.2W WEAK LITTLE CHANGE
00UTC 13.03.2010 BELOW TROPICAL STORM STRENGTH


THIS INFORMATION IS PROVIDED AS GUIDANCE FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
RSMCS. IT REQUIRES INTERPRETATION BY TROPICAL CYCLONE SPECIALISTS
AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AS A FINAL PRODUCT


MET OFFICE, EXETER, UK

TOO 071704


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Re: South Atlantic disturbance (Brazil: 18S 38W)

#11 Postby MetSul Weather Center » Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:04 am

Interesting night.

Quite unusual (systems move from W to E in this area) to see sat pics like this down here in Southern Brazil.

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Some pics from the coast taken a few hours ago in the city of Florianopolis.

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Latest phase diagramof the GFS for this system by the FSU:

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#12 Postby KWT » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:06 am

This is now an invest by the way....

Looks sheared but it could become a subtropical system I suspect...
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Re: South Atlantic disturbance (Brazil: 18S 38W)

#13 Postby RattleMan » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:09 am

Now in the 9x range:

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Re: South Atlantic disturbance (Brazil: 18S 38W)

#14 Postby cycloneye » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:40 am

Continue the discussions about this system at Active Storms forum as its a invest.

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=107638&p=1970901#p1970901
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