Accuweather and JB!!!

[gk1]

What is JB talking about in his headline concerning a Florida hit, then GOM trouble??? Is this Ophelia in the GOM or a new storm????

[jasons2k]

It is Ophelia, and before everyone goes nuts he is saying it MAY/MIGHT/POSSIBLY/COULD be a GOM Storm.

[perk]

jschlitz i think we should use MAY/MIGHT/POSSIBLY as the official disclaimer when mentioning JB on this board. That might possibly keep anyone brave enough to type his name from being severely flamed.

[susan]

At this point I think Ophelia is anyone's guess..

[acidus]

Joe was spot on with Katrina and N.O. His passionate newscasts on Fox might have actually saved some lives. How about cutting him some slack?

[hurricanedude]

yeah,after saying the entire east coast would get hurricane conditions, then he flipped to NOLA...so .....what do you think?

[acidus]

yeah,after saying the entire east coast would get hurricane conditions, then he flipped to NOLA...so .....what do you think?

I think he saved lives.

USMC

[Jevo]

Joe was spot on with Katrina and N.O. His passionate newscasts on Fox might have actually saved some lives. How about cutting him some slack?

hehehe thats funny cause it goes with my pet name of his company "slackuweather"

[KatDaddy]

Are there any details behind his statement. Not sure Ophelia will ever be a GOM threat.

[gulfcoastdave]

I am no huge JB fan but find it funny that people come in here and bash him. The guy can be right or wrong. Weather is not perfect science. Heck , they sometimes can not pick weather day to day. If everyone here was so dang perfect then we would never have to worry about forcasting where a hurricane will strike land and at what time.........gezzzzzzzz people just relax

[LarryWx]

I am no huge JB fan but find it funny that people come in here and bash him. The guy can be right or wrong. Weather is not perfect science. Heck , they sometimes can not pick weather day to day. If everyone here was so dang perfect then we would never have to worry about forcasting where a hurricane will strike land and at what time.........gezzzzzzzz people just relax

I think that some people are quick to bash him mainly because:

1) He persists in criticizing others, especially the NWS/NHC. Although his criticisms of them are probably justified sometimes, this constant criticism makes some people want to criticize him back. If he's going to dish out criticism left and right, then many people feel he needs to take it also. Also, some feel much of his motivation in criticizing the NWS/NHC is to help out the Santorum bill that would threaten to take away NWS freebies.
That probably doesn't set well with many weather enthusiasts.

2) Many feel he is one of the least levelheaded forecasters in that he constantly emphasizes worst case scenarios, bad storms, etc. It never ends and likely gets on people's nerves

3) Perception of an overall arrogant attitude by some.

4) Constant tooting of Accuweather's horn.

[SouthFloridawx]

I am no huge JB fan but find it funny that people come in here and bash him. The guy can be right or wrong. Weather is not perfect science. Heck , they sometimes can not pick weather day to day. If everyone here was so dang perfect then we would never have to worry about forcasting where a hurricane will strike land and at what time.........gezzzzzzzz people just relax

I think that some people are quick to bash him mainly because:

1) He persists in criticizing others, especially the NWS/NHC. Although his criticisms of them are probably justified sometimes, this constant criticism makes some people want to criticize him back. If he's going to dish out criticism left and right, then many people feel he needs to take it also. Also, some feel much of his motivation in criticizing the NWS/NHC is to help out the Santorum bill that would threaten to take away NWS freebies.
That probably doesn't set well with many weather enthusiasts.

2) Many feel he is one of the least levelheaded forecasters in that he constantly emphasizes worst case scenarios, bad storms, etc. It never ends and likely gets on people's nerves

3) Perception of an overall arrogant attitude by some.

4) Constant tooting of Accuweather's horn.

At least some forcasters emphasize the worst that can happen to get people moving and some don't emphasize the danger of a situation. That is a lesson that we should learn from Katrina is that we should be prepared for the worst case senario and that at this point it is going to be little harder for relief effort to get in there if another strikes cat 3 or higher. That's my 2 cents.

[f5]

I am no huge JB fan but find it funny that people come in here and bash him. The guy can be right or wrong. Weather is not perfect science. Heck , they sometimes can not pick weather day to day. If everyone here was so dang perfect then we would never have to worry about forcasting where a hurricane will strike land and at what time.........gezzzzzzzz people just relax

I think that some people are quick to bash him mainly because:

1) He persists in criticizing others, especially the NWS/NHC. Although his criticisms of them are probably justified sometimes, this constant criticism makes some people want to criticize him back. If he's going to dish out criticism left and right, then many people feel he needs to take it also. Also, some feel much of his motivation in criticizing the NWS/NHC is to help out the Santorum bill that would threaten to take away NWS freebies.
That probably doesn't set well with many weather enthusiasts.

2) Many feel he is one of the least levelheaded forecasters in that he constantly emphasizes worst case scenarios, bad storms, etc. It never ends and likely gets on people's nerves

3) Perception of an overall arrogant attitude by some.

4) Constant tooting of Accuweather's horn.

At least some forcasters emphasize the worst that can happen to get people moving and some don't emphasize the danger of a situation. That is a lesson that we should learn from Katrina is that we should be prepared for the worst case senario and that at this point it is going to be little harder for relief effort to get in there if another strikes cat 3 or higher. That's my 2 cents.

i got torch by members on another post beacuse of some of my criticism of jb but i feel sometimes that he hypercasts.i'll probably get grilled for this one as well.

[HURAKAN]

jschlitz i think we should use MAY/MIGHT/POSSIBLY as the official disclaimer when mentioning JB on this board. That might possibly keep anyone brave enough to type his name from being severely flamed.

Isn't that Accuweather on the left and the NHC on the right debating the possible GOM appearance of Ophelia?!?!?

[capecodder]

I give credit where credit is do. JB clearly nailed the NOLA landfall. On friday noon, he forcasted that, while everyone else was still in the FL Panhandle.

His TV appearances probably saved lives. Excitable?Absolutely. Good thing too. I saw Max Mayfield, and almost fell asleep. The bottom line is getting the word out, and saving lives. For that he gets an A in my book.

Richard

[SouthFloridawx]

Just stop bashing JB. I get info on this forum, Joe Bastardi, NHC and other places and then I can make informative decisions for myself. Not everyone is going to make the same forcast and that's why its called forcasting. I don't understand why the JB bashing occurs anytime he makes a forcast on a storm it's his job and it's a pay site if you don't like his forcast's don't watch them or read post's about them lol. It's just too much negativity sorry that's another one of my 2 cents.

[arcticfire]

Better to overstate the impact of an impending hurricain rather then treat it with the same monotone you would call out for light showers this afternoon.

Fact of the matter is many people don't take hurricains seriously , for some out there I'm certain an excitable forcast from someone on a national news channel whom seems sure of his forecast motivated/s them to evacuation. It's the weather people that talk about a category 4 or 5 storm or an impending hit in a vounerable area with uncertinity that helps give people the lax attitude they have twords these storms. Such is my opinion.

Lets not forget the TV personalities we see have a secondary function besides regurgetating the NHC's forcast , it's the people on TV viewers derive the seriousness of the situation from. So I think it's perfectly acceptable to err on the side of worst case scenario , then if it hits weaker , or someplace else less populated all the better.

In any case I highly doubt he deserves the critisism people shovel his way at the mere mention of his name around here.

[Derecho]

I give credit where credit is do. JB clearly nailed the NOLA landfall. On friday noon, he forcasted that, while everyone else was still in the FL Panhandle.

Richard

Prior to that Friday Afternoon; JB was hyping a sharp Northeast Turn for Katrina. Then when the 12Z models all shifted west, he immediately changed his tune.

NHC did as well; knowing the NHC advisory times he of course "beat" NHC to making the track shift officially, but in no way shape or form was he ahead of NHC in analysis or thinking, and JB was just following the models like everyone else.

And JB, by hyping a NOLA hit for Dennis, massive hype for other previous storms that didn't pan out, etc. was a direct contributor to the sort of "they always end up missing" attitude that caused people not to evacuate and get themselves killed in Katrina

[Derecho]

Here's an indication of what sort of organization Accuweather is:

Early this morning: (from the free side of Accuweather):


Major Forecast Disagreement About Ophelia
Thursday, September 08, 2005 3:33 AM EDT More News

AccuWeather.com hurricane experts evaluate huge quantities of data in and around each possible area of tropical development. Decades of forecasting experience are brought to bear on each and every storm from its first cluster of thunderstorms until that storm has produced its last effects. While we understand how a forecast movement on Ophelia taking it to the north or northeast, like the National Hurricane Center is currently forecasting, can happen, we do not believe it is the most likely direction of motion. Unfortunately, we believe an eventual westward motion will bring Ophelia onshore in Florida, probably as a Category 1 hurricane late this week or early in the weekend. When the storm emerges into the Gulf of Mexico, there will be some strengthening but water temperatures are a little lower in the northeastern Gulf of Mexico than they were where Katrina tracked. While subtle differences in hurricane forecasts are common, this is a dramatic difference with dramatic implications. Stay tuned to find out the results.





Then a mere TWO HOURS LATER:




As they did with Ivan and various graphics they had up on their site last year, Accuweather will probably lie about all of the above later.

[SouthFloridawx]

come on just go with the loop de loop. everyone else is....