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The evolution of "The List"

#1 Postby Jim Cantore » Wed May 10, 2006 8:38 pm

Costliest U.S Hurricanes, look how its evolved

1954

1. Carol $461,000,000
2. Hazel $381,000,000
3. Long Island Express $300,000,000
4. Great Miami Hurricane $100,000,000

1955

1. Diane $831,700,000
2. Carol $461,000,000
3. Hazel $381,000,000
4. Long Island Express $300,000,000
5. The Fort Lauderdale Pampano Beach Hurricane $110,000,000
6. Great Miami Hurricane $100,000,000
7. San Felipe Lake Okeechobee Hurricane $100,000,000

1965

1. Betsy $1,420,500,000
2. Diane $831,700,000
3. Carol $461,000,000
4. Hazel $381,000,000
5. Carla $325,000,000
6. Long Island Express $300,000,000
7. The Fort Lauderdale Pampano Beach Hurricane $110,000,000
8. Great Miami Hurricane $100,000,000
9. San Felipe Lake Okeechobee Hurricane $100,000,000


1970

1. Camille $1,420,700,000
2. Betsy $1,420,200,000
3. Diane $831,700,000
4. Carol $461,000,000
5. Celia $450,000,000
6. Hazel $381,000,000
7. Carla $325,000,000
8. Long Island Express $300,000,000
9. Alma $210,100,000
10. The Fort Lauderdale Pampano Beach Hurricane $110,000,000


1975

1. Agnes $2,100,000,000
2. Camille $1,420,700,000
3. Betsy $1,420,500,000
4. Diane $831,700,000
5. Eloise $490,000,000
6. Carol $461,000,000
7. Celia $450,000,000
8. Hazel $381,000,000
9. Carla $325,000,000
10. Long Island Express $300,000,000

1980

1. Frederic $2,300,000,000
2. Agnes $2,100,000,000
3. Camille $1,420,700,000
4. Betsy $1,420,500,000
5. Diane $831,700,000
6. Eloise $490,000,000
7. Carol $461,000,000
8. Celia $450,000,000
9. Hazel $381,000,000
10. Carla $325,000,000

1985

1. Frederic $2,300,000,000
2. Agnes $2,100,000,000
3. Alicia $2,000,000,000
4. Juan $1,500,000,000
5. Camille $1,420,700,000
6. Betsy $1,420,500,000
7. Elena $1,250,000,000
8. Gloria $900,000,000
9. Diane $831,700,000
10. Eloise $490,000,000

1990

1. Hugo $7,000,000,000
2. Frederic $2,300,000,000
3. Agnes $2,100,000,000
4. Alicia $2,000,000,000
5. Juan $1,500,000,000
6. Camille $1,420,700,000
7. Betsy $1,420,500,000
8. Elena $1,250,000,000
9. Gloria $900,000,000
10. Diane $831,700,000

1995

1. Andrew $26,500,000,000
2. Hugo $7,000,000,000
3. Opal $3,000,000,000
4. Frederic $2,300,000,000
5. Agnes $2,100,000,000
6. Alicia $2,000,000,000
7. Juan $1,500,000,000
8. Camille $1,420,700,000
9. Betsy $1,420,500,000
10. Elena $1,250,000,000

2000

1. Andrew $26,500,000,000
2. Hugo $7,000,000,000
3. Floyd $4,500,000,000
4. Fran $3,200,000,000
5. Opal $3,000,000,000
6. Frederic $2,300,000,000
7. Agnes $2,100,000,000
8. Alicia $2,000,000,000
9. Juan $1,500,000,000
10. Camille $1,420,700,000


2003

1. Andrew $26,500,000,000
2. Hugo $7,000,000,000
3. Allison $5,000,000,000
4. Floyd $4,500,000,000
5. Isabel: 3,370,000,000
6. Fran $3,200,000,000
7. Opal $3,000,000,000
8. Frederic $2,300,000,000
9. Agnes $2,100,000,000
10. Alicia $2,000,000,000

2004

1. Andrew $26,500,000,000
2. Charley $15,700,000,000
3. Ivan $14.600,000,000
4. Frances $8,900,000,000
5. Hugo $7,000,000,000
6. Jeanne $6,900,000,000
7. Allison $5,000,000,000
8. Floyd $4,500,000,000
9. Isabel: 3,370,000,000
10. Fran $3,200,000,000

2005

1. Katrina $75,000,000,000
2. Andrew $26,500,000,000
3. Wilma $16,800,000,000
4. Charley $15,700,000,000
5. Ivan $14.600,000,000
6. Rita $10,000,000,000
7. Frances $8,900,000,000
8. Hugo $7,000,000,000
9. Jeanne $6,900,000,000
10. Allison $5,000,000,000
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#2 Postby CHRISTY » Wed May 10, 2006 8:41 pm

looks good...
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#3 Postby Jim Cantore » Wed May 10, 2006 8:43 pm

In all likelyhood, We'll see some new additions this year
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#4 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Wed May 10, 2006 9:20 pm

Probably... and I'm waiting to see the final numbers on Katrina... whether they go up or down on that 75B... I'm betting it goes up.

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#5 Postby AussieMark » Wed May 10, 2006 9:27 pm

A preliminary amount of total insured damage compiled by the Property Claims Service is $6.1 billion. Using a doubling of insured losses to obtain the total damage gives a current estimate of Wilma’s U.S. damage to be $12.2 billion.


Why is Wilma in your list, listed as $16.8 Billion :?:
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#6 Postby Evil Jeremy » Wed May 10, 2006 9:49 pm

Last time i checked, wasn't Wilma around 20-25 Billion?
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#7 Postby SouthFloridawx » Wed May 10, 2006 9:53 pm

Maybe as an aside you should use the adjusted for inflation list to compare what the current cost would be in today's dollars. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastcost2.shtml?

I realize the list is only until 2004 but, soon 2005 will be added.
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#8 Postby AussieMark » Wed May 10, 2006 9:56 pm

we also have the 2004 Inflation, population and wealth normalization table
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gifs/table3b.gif
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#9 Postby AussieMark » Wed May 10, 2006 9:57 pm

Evil Jeremy wrote:Last time i checked, wasn't Wilma around 20-25 Billion?


In the prelim report its written as $12.2 Billion
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#10 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Wed May 10, 2006 10:09 pm

There are all kinds of ways one can adjust the list. One which would consider total equalization of all facets (e.g. having a hypothetical hit of the same area, same value of property and same population density) would doubtlessly be the best indicator of which would be the most potentially destructful of all storms, and I'd wager the list would look considerably different. I believe Wxman57 and I had a long discussion about this very aspect, in which he feels that Carla would top such a list. I don't know that I agree; but he brings many valid points. The bottom line is that unless you want to go into at least 3-5 different charts, it's probably best to use the chart given here as it's bona-fide damages based on the storm for the year it hit. I've seen "adjusted for inflation" figures all over the place (Andrew being just one example where I've seen a low of around 36 B to a high near 50B--a lot of speculation/guesstimation there).

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#11 Postby MGC » Wed May 10, 2006 10:17 pm

I prefer the adjusted for inflation list. Agnes, a Cat-1 is in 5th place. The SS scale has little merit when the damage figures are tabulated.....MGC
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#12 Postby AussieMark » Wed May 10, 2006 10:18 pm

as of 2004 the Inflation, population and wealth normalization table
has the great Miami Hurricane of 1926 as $101.9 Billion :eek:
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#13 Postby AussieMark » Wed May 10, 2006 10:20 pm

MGC wrote:I prefer the adjusted for inflation list. Agnes, a Cat-1 is in 5th place. The SS scale has little merit when the damage figures are tabulated.....MGC


Agnes would cause damages of approx $15 Billion today
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#14 Postby Derek Ortt » Wed May 10, 2006 10:29 pm

186.8 billion dollars of damage is the number Max Mayfield presented at the AMS trop met confernece
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#15 Postby AussieMark » Wed May 10, 2006 10:34 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:186.8 billion dollars of damage is the number Max Mayfield presented at the AMS trop met confernece


do u expect this number to be in the prelim report when its revised?
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#16 Postby Terrell » Wed May 10, 2006 10:53 pm

:eek: Notice how 7 of those top 10 as of 2005 are from the '04 & 05 years. :eek:
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#17 Postby SouthFloridawx » Wed May 10, 2006 10:54 pm

Terrell wrote::eek: Notice how 7 of those top 10 as of 2005 are from the '04 & 05 years. :eek:


I was talking to my girlfriend about that tonight.
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#18 Postby quandary » Wed May 10, 2006 10:54 pm

AussieMark wrote:we also have the 2004 Inflation, population and wealth normalization table
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gifs/table3b.gif


Why do people always bring up this table. It doesn't mean anything real at all. The inflation adjusted table means something real. 1.5 billion dollars in 1970 is a lot more than 1.5 billion today, but adjusting for how things have grown does work because the stuff wasn't there back there. The impact is not real and should not be scaled.
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#19 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Wed May 10, 2006 11:41 pm

Why do people always bring up this table. It doesn't mean anything real at all. The inflation adjusted table means something real. 1.5 billion dollars in 1970 is a lot more than 1.5 billion today, but adjusting for how things have grown does work because the stuff wasn't there back there. The impact is not real and should not be scaled.


I agree; but it's got its uses inasmuch as one could perceive a rough estimate of what a similar storm taking a similar path today just "might" cost. A lot of this is also something number-crunchers like to look at. I still say that a scale, IF you want to "normalize" a storm's potential for destruction they could hypothesize the storm hitting the same area and what the damage would do to that area--granted more "unreality" but it's a way of looking at true potential across the board for any given storm. I do note that Betsy made the top ten on all of those lists except the actual "time-real" figure scale. No doubt almost all will shift down to make room for Katrina, and possibly Rita or Wilma or both... dunno the final figures on those.

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#20 Postby HurricaneHunter914 » Thu May 11, 2006 5:04 am

Interesting how over the years the costliest storms move from the 100 millions to the 10 billions. What if this year brings us a 100 billion dollar storm!? :eek:
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