Interesting quote comparing Camille to Katrina

[m_ru]

"From a Weathermatrix member -- I was in Hattiesburg, MS in 1969 for Camille and the wind was higher. However, Camille was through the area in just a few hours. Katrina, for which I was in Hattiesburg for as well, had lesser sustained winds and gusts, but lasted for hours and hours."


http://www.nwas.org/katrinalog.html

The center of Katrina was closer to Hattiesburg than Camille's was. How fast was Camille moving when she went inland compared to Katrina?

[Audrey2Katrina]

The tracks aren't all that dissimilar and I guess it has a lot to do with exactly where you were as each storm passed. I've heard from many survivors of both storms. Probably the best reason for the longer period of strong winds and rains is that Katrina was a MUCH larger storm, and having a much larger wind radius, would therefore have impacted your area with strong winds for a much greater length of time.

This site at least has a comparison of the tracks:

http://www.oceansprings-ms.com/rest.htm

A2K

[Valkhorn]

From all the data and people I've talked to Katrina was worse than Camille in Hattiesburg.

Gusts around Hattiesburg (from damage reports) were around 135mph. Sustained winds probably didn't get higher than 105mph but they were pretty close to that since I lived through it.

As far as official reports of the wind, most of them happened before power went out as the eye wall hit. In Hattiesburg, most places lost power around 8am. I lost power around 10:45AM, right before the eye wall got here.

As far as damage goes, Hattiesburg was also much more populated in 2005 than in 1969. So that could explain that.

Either way you slice it, I think even if Katrina was weaker it caused more damage - which is something to consider.

[Derek Ortt]

I believe that best track has Katrina as an 80KT cat 1 in Hattiesburg. That could produce gusts as high as 112KT using a 1.4 over land gust to sustained wind ratio

[MGC]

I've taked with several people that stayed for both hurricanes here on the Mississippi coast. All of them said that Camille had stronger winds but went through much quicker than Katrina.....MGC

[Aslkahuna]

Camille was a smaller storm than Katrina thus the duration of strong winds would have been shorter. The ratio of 1.4 for overland winds is on the low side of the range which is from 1.4-1.6. That said, for 80kt sustained winds (92mph) the overland gusts could range from 112-128kt (129-147 mph) so the estimates of 135mph gusts in Hattiesburg falls well in that range.

Steve

[f5]

Katrina had sustained winds at 175 at one point in her life even though she came in as a cat 3 she brought 175 mph type surge with her

[Valkhorn]

That said, for 80kt sustained winds (92mph) the overland gusts could range from 112-128kt (129-147 mph) so the estimates of 135mph gusts in Hattiesburg falls well in that range.

When you can feel a three story building sway and the windows bow out from winds like that you can believe it.

I'll never forget seeing trees being snapped halfway off the ground or the sound of siding ripping off of my building.

[Audrey2Katrina]

Funny.... I thought someone in here said there were no trees snapped by Katrina

Of course one must consider the source.

A2K

[timNms]

Funny.... I thought someone in here said there were no trees snapped by Katrina

Of course one must consider the source.

A2K

Man, I must have imagined all the trees down near my house, those blocking the roads and highways, and on top of houses. I'm sure our friends must be imagining the 85 acres of timber he lost in Katrina also.

[jasons2k]

Hey Tim, I was thinking of you when this thread came up. I remember your Katrina pictures from Seminary. I also saw my brother-in-law's pictures from Purvis. Lots of trees down.

[Huckster]

Katrina caused BR its worst wind damage since Andrew (due to the HOURS and HOURS of strong gusts). I don't know how many trees I saw down here. The "snapped" trees start at least in lower Livingston Parish and that sort of damage only increases farther east into whole swaths of trees by the time you get to St. Tammany. I recently was in NO East, in the area where Jazzland/Six Flags is located, and it looks like someone mowed down those beautiful, lush swamps around the park. It's completely flattened around there.

[timNms]

Hey Tim, I was thinking of you when this thread came up. I remember your Katrina pictures from Seminary. I also saw my brother-in-law's pictures from Purvis. Lots of trees down.

jschlitz, it was a bit windy here, to say the least :lol The scenery reminds me of where a tornado plowed through, except that it is not limited to a few miles in distance and several hundred feet in width. The damage to the timber stretches from the coast to north of Meridian. And to be honest with you, pictures just don't do justice to it.

[Valkhorn]

Funny.... I thought someone in here said there were no trees snapped by Katrina

Who? I was witness to it. You can even drive down from Meridian to the coast on I59 and see it for yourself.

[Aslkahuna]

A2K was being a little sarcastic there people.

Steve

[Dionne]

Funny.... I thought someone in here said there were no trees snapped by Katrina

Of course one must consider the source.

A2K

Our home on Adeline street in Hattiesburg was obscured by fallen trees. Homes in that neighborhood were completed destroyed by tree fall. The really frightening part was all the natural gas leaks. I do not want to repeat that event.

[Audrey2Katrina]

A2K was being a little sarcastic there people.

Steve

Well I'm glad SOMEONE was perceptive enough to catch that! Perhaps next time I'll say something like "tongue firmly planted in cheek".....

ummmm, on second thought, never mind.

A2K

[Audrey2Katrina]

My old Aunt Lillian was a Hattiesburg resident for a LOOOONG time. I believe she was around 105 when she passed away. I actually recall her telling me tales of how it was under the presidency of U.S. Grant--go figure. She lived till a little past the time of Camille. I went up there, and perhaps it's just cloudy memory, but I saw a LOT more downed trees this time, than I did going up there after Camille--(In Hattiesburg that is... I've NEVER seen tree damage worse than Camille close to the coast... literally every tree was snapped over for untold miled.)

A2K

[Frank P]

My old Aunt Lillian was a Hattiesburg resident for a LOOOONG time. I believe she was around 105 when she passed away. I actually recall her telling me tales of how it was under the presidency of U.S. Grant--go figure. She lived till a little past the time of Camille. I went up there, and perhaps it's just cloudy memory, but I saw a LOT more downed trees this time, than I did going up there after Camille--(In Hattiesburg that is... I've NEVER seen tree damage worse than Camille close to the coast... literally every tree was snapped over for untold miled.)

A2K

same here, you would see thousands of pine trees downed by Camille especially along hwy 49... it was incredible.... I'll never forget it.. Camille destroyed a lot more trees, especially in the inland counties off the coast... but Katrina destroyed a lot more houses.... they were both amazingly destructive hurricanes but from purely a surge standpoint Camille pales in comparison to Katrina... talk to all the old timers along the coast, from Jackson to Hancock county and everyone of them will tell you how much worse Katrina was from a surge standpoint..... and how long the storm lasted.... but for the question at hand, no comparison Camille took down more trees IMO...

[timNms]

A2k, I knew you were being sarcastic. I was just trying to get the point across to the person who made that claim