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Kerry Emanuel seminar

#1 Postby jazzfan1247 » Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:04 pm

Hello all.

I attended a seminar by Kerry Emanuel today at my school. It was a pretty cool experience. Most of the lecture was devoted to the complex physics of hurricanes, which I have a limited understanding of.

However, (and I hadn’t been aware of this before), Emanuel made a case against the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation (AMO) towards the end of the lecture. I don’t remember all of the little details, but what I gathered from his presentation was that the N. Atlantic SSTA are very well correlated with the global SSTA, such that it’s not just an Atlantic phenomenon. He compared the graph of N. Atlantic SSTA with the graph of the global SSTA, and they looked very similar. In addition, he did some sort of statistical analysis of the Atlantic SSTA, and found that no such oscillation exists. He was pretty adamant about him and other hurricane scientists being completely fooled on the existence of the AMO, and seemed extremely confident of his findings.

Here’s his paper on this topic, and I’m sure you can find more info through google or whatever: http://www.loe.org/images/060609/hurricane.pdf

It seemed to me that he was showing that global SSTA go through the same cycles as the Atlantic does, but some of my friends think I misinterpreted his graphs. So I’m not entirely sure about this point.

He talked very little about how he came up with his conclusion that hurricanes have increased in intensity since 1970 (as far as usage of data sets), which I found to be suspicious. At one point he openly admitted something to the effect of “Satellite intensity estimates aren’t (or weren’t) very reliable”, and this kinda surprised me because that would obviously open holes in his study. But apparently it seemed that everyone in the room just accepted his study as fact, and went on to ask questions about the societal and political implications of this AMO “myth” and what not.

Overall, he delved into the physics of hurricanes, and why (due to certain physics equations and such) global warming would theoretically increase their intensities. He did not address the question of “Have hurricane intensities actually increased?” sufficiently, however.

Anyways, just wondering what everyone’s thoughts on this are… 8-)
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#2 Postby Ptarmigan » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:41 pm

Cool. I believe it was Kerry Emanuel who made the claim that hypercanes existed. Correct me if I am wrong.
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#3 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:58 pm

that is a very controversial finding of his, that is highly disputed by many.

More research is needed.

One possible reason why the previous active cycle is less than the current one (assuming all storms were recorded) is the possibility that we are entering into a 1500 year active cycle as other controversial research suggests
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#4 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:05 pm

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/issues/20 ... /storm.php

a link to the 1500 year cycle possibility

this may very well be a quiet el nino season from here on and 2004 could be a normal el nino if this is in fact true
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