Reading the Signs in Tropical Waters

[Berwick Bay]

Great report just concluding on 60 Minutes right now about the Mokan people(think that's the correct spelling) of the islands of Thailand and Burma. They're known as Sea Gypsies. Extremely close and intimate relationship with their tropical waters. The old knew the sign of the coming Tsunami (receding ocean) and warned the young. "Father, you are drunk", "We don't need to move", said the young. "But I didn't have a drink all day, we need to move now", said the father. The Mokan say that the Giant Wave is a spirit that must come periodically to feed. It provides a cleansing action. I don't think it would do any good to talk to the old man of Richter Scales and underwater fault lines. But his explanation of the Tsunami is good enough for me. Offshore, Mokan fishermen noticed a "boiling effect" of the water. They headed for deeper water. When asked why other local fishermen did not, and were lost at sea, the Mokan say that the others were too caught up in the details of what they were doing, they were not really attentive to the sea. You could say that the Mokan are almost "joined at the hip" in regard to their relationship with the sea. In the Mokan language, in that extremely remote environment, their is no word for when (reflecting the timelessness of nature). There is no word for want. There are words for give and take, but none for want. I thought it was a great report. The response of animals to the coming tsunami was also mentioned, reminding me of the stories of animals who left ahead of Hurricane Katrina. They can't read computer models or shear charts either, but they knew.

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

Your a good writer,,,Very interesting. I guest if you live in that area in have been through it for years. You get the sense and know the signs of what is coming.

[Berwick Bay]

Yes Matt, they live very close to nature and know the signs. In some of my poetry I've tried to comment or reflect on that. Our relationship with the spirit world and with nature has largely been broken. I know what we can't go back to the garden. But I've also posted that we all have abilities (to perceive beyond our ordinary five senses), that we just don't use or develop. In most cases we have simply forgotten. I suppose models can be a wonderful tool. But models and charts are inadequate in seeing the whole. They break reality up into parts, which is not natural. Finally, after a period of time, we can read the parts, but can't put it together back into the whole.

[Air Force Met]

Great report just concluding on 60 Minutes right now about the Mokan people(think that's the correct spelling) of the islands of Thailand and Burma. They're known as Sea Gypsies. Extremely close and intimate relationship with their tropical waters. The old knew the sign of the coming Tsunami (receding ocean) and warned the young. "Father, you are drunk", "We don't need to move", said the young. "But I didn't have a drink all day, we need to move now", said the father. The Mokan say that the Giant Wave is a spirit that must come periodically to feed. It provides a cleansing action. I don't think it would do any good to talk to the old man of Richter Scales and underwater fault lines. But his explanation of the Tsunami is good enough for me. Offshore, Mokan fishermen noticed a "boiling effect" of the water. They headed for deeper water. When asked why other local fishermen did not, and were lost at sea, the Mokan say that the others were too caught up in the details of what they were doing, they were not really attentive to the sea. You could say that the Mokan are almost "joined at the hip" in regard to their relationship with the sea. In the Mokan language, in that extremely remote environment, their is no word for when (reflecting the timelessness of nature). There is no word for want. There are words for give and take, but none for want. I thought it was a great report. The response of animals to the coming tsunami was also mentioned, reminding me of the stories of animals who left ahead of Hurricane Katrina. They can't read computer models or shear charts either, but they knew.

So now you are Mokan elder...? I think you are on the wrong board.

[sevenleft]

I'm pretty sure anyone who watches the discovery channel knows what receding water means. So anyone that has cable has a close and intimate relationship with the tropical waters.

[Berwick Bay]

Man, I REALLY bother you guys don't I? You guys really have no room for someone like me do you? It looks like you're tracking every post I make on some kind of "witchhunt". Between Air Force, Sevenleft, and Aric, might be hard for me to get a word or a poem in edgewise. I'll be anxiously awaiting your sarcasm and negativity now with every post.

[sevenleft]

Man, I REALLY bother you guys don't I? You guys really have no room for someone like me do you? It looks like you're tracking every post I make on some kind of "witchhunt". Between Air Force, Sevenleft, and Aric, might be hard for me to get a word or a poem in edgewise. I'll be anxiously awaiting your sarcasm and negativity now with every post.

Aric didn't post in this thread.

[Berwick Bay]

No he already ganged up with you guys earier on me. (Code Red). Air Force says this is not the board for me. Well, just because you're a met, maybe its not the board for you. If your sole purpose (as demonstrated today) is to respond to my every post in a sometimes rude and bullying manner, as was established earlier this afternoon, then maybe this board is not the place for YOU Air Force. I play by the rules as established. I haven't looked to badger anyone who is obeying the rules of the board. You have. And for that, maybe you need to find another place to go. I obey the rules, you don't. Its as simple as that.

[boca]

This is like Friday nite at the fights. Who will be left standing.

[Air Force Met]

Man, I REALLY bother you guys don't I? You guys really have no room for someone like me do you? It looks like you're tracking every post I make on some kind of "witchhunt". Between Air Force, Sevenleft, and Aric, might be hard for me to get a word or a poem in edgewise. I'll be anxiously awaiting your sarcasm and negativity now with every post.

When you post what you post on a scientific board...what do you expect? This board has existed and thrived on scientific discussion of the tropics (and other areas in other rooms)...and metaphysics is not an area that is very fitting (...at least I hope it isn't)...and I say this as a person of faith who believes God is in control of everything...but that He has placed scientific laws to govern His universe.

And its not a witchhunt...unless you are a witch.

Maybe you should rethink what you are posting? Seems to me that you are asking for it a bit...and to be honest...I think you know you are. Seems like some baiting going on...then when the fish bites you cry foul.

Just my opinion...which is different from scientific fact.

[sevenleft]

No he already ganged up with you guys earier on me. (Code Red). Air Force says this is not the board for me. Well, just because you're a met, maybe its not the board for you. If your sole purpose (as demonstrated today) is to respond to my every post in a sometimes rude and bullying manner, as was established earlier this afternoon, then maybe this board is not the place for YOU Air Force. I play by the rules as established. I haven't looked to badger anyone who is obeying the rules of the board. You have. And for that, maybe you need to find another place to go. I obey the rules, you don't. Its as simple as that.

Can you point out the rules that AFM has broken? And really, if this all bothers you so much, you need to take it up with a moderator, so that us brutes can be disciplined.

[HouTXmetro]

BB you have the support of many on this board. Continue to do what you do

[sevenleft]

This is like Friday nite at the fights. Who will be left standing.

Not much of a question there.

[miamicanes177]

this is gettin good

[Toadstool]

This is like Friday nite at the fights. Who will be left standing.

Not much of a question there.

Seveleft! How dare you attack Boca simply because she forgot to use a question mark at the end of her questinon instead of a period!

[Berwick Bay]

Thank you Houston. They started the fight today, and then continued badgering me tonight. They may have started it, but I'm gonna finish it. Air Force is WAY OUT OF LINE. What part of "this is the people's board" which I have heard the moderators say, does he not understand. Just because you have a met degree doesn't give you the right to bully and attack personally. I'm really disappointed in him. Now I am an amateur. I admit some of my forecasts may fail. I confess what the origins of my "forecasts" are. All of this is within the rules. Is bullying and harrassment with the rules? I think not, and I'm sure the moderators have noticed it too. I also know that I have a lot friend out there, like you Houston, a friendship not necessarily based on whether or not my forecasts come to pass, but instead based on a common interest in the tropics, and on common decency insofar as treating others.

[sevenleft]

This is like Friday nite at the fights. Who will be left standing.

Not much of a question there.

Seveleft! How dare you attack Boca simply because she forgot to use a question mark at the end of her questinon instead of a period!

I know, how ruthless of me!

[sevenleft]

Thank you Houston. They started the fight today, and then continued badgering me tonight. They may have started it, but I'm gonna finish it. Air Force is WAY OUT OF LINE. What part of "this is the people's board" which I have heard the moderators say, does he not understand. Just because you have a met degree doesn't give you the right to bully and attack personally. I'm really disappointed in him. Now I am an amateur. I admit some of my forecasts may fail. I confess what the origins of my "forecasts" are. All of this is within the rules. Is bullying and harrassment with the rules? I think not, and I'm sure the moderators have noticed it too. I also know that I have a lot friend out there, like you Houston, a friendship not necessarily based on whether or not my forecasts come to pass, but instead based on a common interest in the tropics, and on common decency insofar as treating others.

I know my words fall on deaf ears here, but there is no bullying or harassing going on.

[rlltex]

[quote="sevenleft"]I'm pretty sure anyone who watches the discovery channel knows what receding water means. So anyone that has cable has a close and intimate relationship with the tropical waters.[/quote]

Life defined by what channel you watch. I maybe wrong but I suspect there's more to it than that.

[Air Force Met]

No he already ganged up with you guys earier on me. (Code Red). Air Force says this is not the board for me. Well, just because you're a met, maybe its not the board for you. If your sole purpose (as demonstrated today) is to respond to my every post in a sometimes rude and bullying manner, as was established earlier this afternoon, then maybe this board is not the place for YOU Air Force. I play by the rules as established. I haven't looked to badger anyone who is obeying the rules of the board. You have. And for that, maybe you need to find another place to go. I obey the rules, you don't. Its as simple as that.

You really need to stop over-generalizing. You have made plenty of posts that I have not responded to...contrary to your accusation that I attack your every post. Matter of fact...I have probably only responded to a fraction of them...even the ones today. AND...I said I think you are on the wrong board...and I meant you are on the wrong board if you are going to try to forecast the tropics like a Mokan elder forecasts Tsunamis (which...it has been demonstrated how they do this...it's not spiritual...its reading subtle signs).

You are the one with a sensitivity problem...not me. You get your feelings hurt and feel attacked when someone questions your methods or the end result (like the moisture influx). That is then contrued as an attack or breaking the rules. It is not. It is a discussion. You need to stop being so sensative...but then again...I hear poets are sensative...so maybe we should give you some slack.

You would have been shark bait back in 2003 and 2004....and probably left thinking the world hated you. It doesn't. There are some here that are satisfied by an esoteric way of forecasting...and some that are not. Be prepared to not be embraced by those who are not. It isn't an attack...it is a criticism. You obviously have a hard time with criticism.