Last Gasp for season: NE of PR

[drezee]

Visible shows popcorn convection and low level cloud movement shows low closing off...has about a 24 hours window of opprotunity...

[drezee]

A SURFACE TROUGH EXTENDS
FROM 29N52W ALONG 24N55W TO 17N60W WITH SCATTERED SHOWERS/
ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS FROM 21N-28N BETWEEN 48W-61W.

[HURAKAN]

Looks nice in visible!!!

[Squarethecircle]

At most, I give it a small chance of being subtropical, but methinks this will die by absorption or shear-death.

[Cyclone1]

Uhmm... Wow! Looks like the beginnings of Zeta, just further west.

I actually think this might have a chance... maybe.

[Squarethecircle]

Uhmm... Wow! Looks like the beginnings of Zeta, just further west.

I actually think this might have a chance... maybe.

You think EVERYTHING has a chance . Not that it doesn't, I'm just saying, you know.
Looks nice and convective for a far north storm (even though it's not really). But far north storms do not generally form, and far north storms in the Mid-Atlantic don't exist (although that's more of a definition, really). I'd like to see it, but it won't happen.

[RattleMan]

Uhmm... Wow! Looks like the beginnings of Zeta, just further west.

I actually think this might have a chance... maybe.

Pre-Zeta:

[RL3AO]

The precursor to Zeta looked better. Anyway, if it can get some convection it might make a run at an invest. As for it going for Olga, I'll believe it when I see it.

[Squarethecircle]

Zeta was a 2005 storm. Automatic disqualification. This is a 2007 storm. Can you remember the Atlantic Ocean (not Caribbean or GoM) record for storms that have not been ripped to pieces this year? 2 and 5. They all looked better than this.

[RL3AO]

Nothing near the center, but a little more convection for those who want to see Olga. QS shows a little area of circulation well SW of the convection.

[Squarethecircle]

Looks really, really dead. Nothing on convective hints that this ever had a chance. I suppose, though, the visible should let us see the whole picture better... Yeah, I'm really not seeing anything there either. But it definitely was exciting !

[Gustywind]

000
AXNT20 KNHC 021132
TWDAT

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
705 AM EST SUN DEC 02 2007

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION FOR NORTH AMERICA...CENTRAL
AMERICA...THE GULF OF MEXICO...THE CARIBBEAN SEA...NORTHERN
SECTIONS OF SOUTH AMERICA...AND THE ATLANTIC OCEAN TO THE
AFRICAN COAST FROM THE EQUATOR TO 32N. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION
IS BASED ON SATELLITE IMAGERY...METEOROLOGICAL ANALYSIS...
WEATHER OBSERVATIONS...AND RADAR.

BASED ON 0600 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS AND SATELLITE IMAGERY THROUGH
1115 UTC



IN THE CENTRAL ATLC...THE MAIN FEATURE IS A 1011 MB LOW PRES SYSTEM CENTERED NEAR 26N54W WITH A TRAILING TROUGH EXTENDING SW ACROSS THE LEEWARD ISLANDS. THIS LOW HAS BEEN STRENGTHENING OVERNIGHT WITH CONVECTION DEEPENING SOME...CONSOLIDATING AND BECOMING MORE CIRCULAR. SCATTERED MODERATE IS FROM 24N-27N BETWEEN 51W-54W. SCATTERED SHOWERS AND ISOLATED TSTMS ARE ELSEWHERE WITHIN 60 NM OF THE HANGING TROUGH. A LARGER AREA
OF CLOUDINESS AND EMBEDDED SCATTERED SHOWERS/TSTMS IS LOCATED TO THE E OF THE SFC LOW IN AN UPPER DIFFLUENT ZONE BETWEEN 40W-51W N OF 11N. A WEAK SFC TROUGH ALONG 56W FROM 8N-17N IS PRODUCING SLIGHT CYCLONIC TURNING IN THE WINDS BUT OTHERWISE LITTLE
WEATHER.

[Cyclone1]

Convection deepening and consolidating according to the TWD. It's not giving up on us yet.

[Squarethecircle]

Convection deepening and consolidating according to the TWD. It's not giving up on us yet.

Convection late season /= tropical, although it does look better than it did a couple of hours ago. I'll give it a second chance, but I still highly doubt that it'll make it.

[Cyclone1]

I know it's not tropical. Never said it was. All I'm saying is the storm, whatever the nature, is looking a lot better this morning.

[Squarethecircle]

I know it's not tropical. Never said it was. All I'm saying is the storm, whatever the nature, is looking a lot better this morning.

I wasn't saying that you were; sorry if it seemed like that, I'm really tired this morning. I wouldn't say a lot, but it is better than it was at seven, though maybe not better than last night.

[Category 5]

Anything that comes out of this would certainly be subtropical, I have very high doubts that it will even be that though.

However, IMO, the first week of December is still Hurricane season, so it is something to watch.

[Cyclone1]

Convection holding strong, still right at the center. The system as a whole is moving eastward, for what it's worth.

[Cyclone1]

Finally dying out a bit.