NRA Sues Mayor Ray Nagin

[sunny]

That could be a "young" bad "moon" a risin. ( as in Landrieu )

Well, wasn't his dad/uncle/whateva! called "Moon" ???



A2K

lol - his dad!

[TSmith274]

He has been in Houston campaigning amoung the evacuees that now live here!!! I think the man is desperate. I must stop I am getting political.

He is desperate and hopefully his transparency will show. IMO, the man should give up on politics. He's already showed he can't handle the pressure. If NO re-elects him into office again, you won't see me donating jack the next time the city is wiped out.

Sad to say, but IF the election were only among the folk who had the wherewithal to get back into the city or at least in its immediate environs were to be the only vote tallied, he'd be a gone pecan. It's the potential for fraud Vb alluded to that I feel will get him into the runoff--which will assure that I won't be investing in prospects of a return to the city proper any time soon. If they can't give us strong leadership and competent reliable protection--I'll remain where it's relatively safer.
A2K

A2K, you're dissapointing me here! Aaron Broussard??? Just kidding.

I really think that we'll end up with a good mayor. Come on back to Orleans where you belong A2K... you're roots run too deep.

[Audrey2Katrina]

A2K, you're dissapointing me here! Aaron Broussard??? Just kidding.

Gotta admit you're right on with that one, TS! Not nearly enough publicity OR outrage against that joker. I will NEVER forget the crocodile tears that clown shed on Meet the Press, OR the flat out LIE he said in telling that tale of the daily phone calls to/from a "mama" that was already dead--and HE KNEW IT! Words fail me in describing my contempt for that man. More than half the flooding in Jefferson wouldn't have even happened had it not been for that man's incompetence. Okay, don't want to get too political here; but if the people of Jefferson don't get rid of him they sure have no business saying a THING about New Orleans--or its leadership!

I really think that we'll end up with a good mayor. Come on back to Orleans where you belong A2K... you're roots run too deep.

LOL, I only wish I had the financial means to go back and re-purchase my old home on Dauphine Street... yup, smack in the 9th... I'd do it in a heartbeat... it almost broke my heart to see the old neighborhood the way it was, and I'm fighting to help keep Holy Cross right where it is with discussions among the alumni about it's discussed re-location. Doing my best to tell 'em that the area IS going to come back. I lived within blocks of Fats Domino's home on Caffin Ave. Even been in his house chattin' with him a couple of times. Tell you the truth, you couldn't WANT to meet a nicer, just flat out down-to-earth decent human being.

And I DEARLY hope we DO get a good mayor! We shall see

*sigh* You're doubtless right, the New Orleans gumbo runs awfully thick in these veins!

A2K

[Lindaloo]

Word on the street in New Orleans is that the majority that is left there will not be voting for Nagin.

[Pearl River]

Word on the street in New Orleans is that the majority that is left there will not be voting for Nagin.

After his recent " of the 23 running, the majority don't look like us " statement to african-american evacuees in Houston, if he does get re-elected, they deserve the problems they have.

[sunny]

Word on the street in New Orleans is that the majority that is left there will not be voting for Nagin.

After his recent " of the 23 running, the majority don't look like us " statement to african-american evacuees in Houston, if he does get re-elected, they deserve the problems they have.

"Only two look like us" - those were his words. Someone should really tell the man to just shut-up! Or not

[Lindaloo]

I do not see how they could even think about re-electing him anyway. He failed them.

[sunny]

I do not see how they could even think about re-electing him anyway. He failed them.

BIG TIME, Linda! Hell, they are still finding bodies. They expect to find up to 400 more in the final sweep that just began yesterday.

[Lindaloo]

I know it!! This just sickens me. Everytime I read something I get a mental picture of those busses just sitting there that went under water.

[TSmith274]

Word on the street in New Orleans is that the majority that is left there will not be voting for Nagin.

After his recent " of the 23 running, the majority don't look like us " statement to african-american evacuees in Houston, if he does get re-elected, they deserve the problems they have.

You got that right! I'm sick of this man's racist comments. I really didn't think he was racist when I voted for him the last time. Boy was I wrong.

I sure hope he loses, but with 23 cantidates splitting the vote, 95% of whom are white... I'm a little worried. Best we can hope for is a runoff, unfortunately. But, if we get to a runoff, he'll get slaughtered... believe me.

[ROCK]

He won't win either way with that comment. Plus, most of the LA people in Houston are not going to vote. Almost willing to bet that people here are still mouching off of LA's welfare system....

[Audrey2Katrina]

Word on the street in New Orleans is that the majority that is left there will not be voting for Nagin.

After his recent " of the 23 running, the majority don't look like us " statement to african-american evacuees in Houston, if he does get re-elected, they deserve the problems they have.

You got that right! I'm sick of this man's racist comments. I really didn't think he was racist when I voted for him the last time. Boy was I wrong.

I sure hope he loses, but with 23 cantidates splitting the vote, 95% of whom are white... I'm a little worried. Best we can hope for is a runoff, unfortunately. But, if we get to a runoff, he'll get slaughtered... believe me.

And yet most polls show it still looking like a runoff between him and Landrieu. I agree with you on his sudden showing of his "racist" colors; and yet with how all this is being handled, I am fairly strongly convinced he'll squeeze into a runoff... from there--who knows?

A2K

[Pearl River]

Almost willing to bet that people here are still mouching off of LA's welfare system....

ROCK...you can definitely count on that still happening.

There's also a big stink over here about one of the black city councilman. Oliver Thomas said if the people want to move back to New Orleans and in public housing, they need to have a job already or be involved in some kind of job training program. How dare he.

[Pearl River]

Quote from WWL TV site. Nagin's speech to NAACP in Houston.

“There was all this talk about this being an opportunity to change New Orleans forever and maybe everybody shouldn’t come back, and maybe this is an opportunity to kind of change New Orleans and go back to what it used to be,” he told the audience. “I have 23 candidates running for mayor and very few of ‘em look like us.”

[Audrey2Katrina]

Quote from WWL TV site. Nagin's speech to NAACP in Houston.

“There was all this talk about this being an opportunity to change New Orleans forever and maybe everybody shouldn’t come back, and maybe this is an opportunity to kind of change New Orleans and go back to what it used to be,” he told the audience. “I have 23 candidates running for mayor and very few of ‘em look like us.”

Well we all know what card he was playing there! SAD!

The primary issue should be the CITY, and PROTECTING IT and the environs... this is beyond pathetic!

A2K

[stormie_skies]

Geez.....its been a while.......and I know this is probably not the first thread I should jump into..... but y'all reminded me of a couple of studies I've run across recently dealing with evacuations, and I'd just like to share, K?

According to the Army's official assessment, approximately 69% of the residents of the Florida panhandle evacuated in anticipation of Hurricane Ivan:


http://chps.sam.usace.army.mil/USHESdata/Assessments/2004Storms/PDFfiles/Ivan%20Final%20Behave%20Part4.pdf

About the same percentage - 69% - of people in
Catagory 1 & 2 storm surge zones fled when Andrew was on his way:

http://chps.sam.usace.army.mil/USHESdata/Assessments/andrew/chapter_3behave.htm

Also, check out this study, which I found here:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ops/hurricane-pam.htm

A considerable amount of data was collected during the New Orleans evacuation associated with Hurricane Ivan in September 2004. Dr. Jeanne Hurlbert and Dr. John J. Beggs, professors in the Dept. of Sociology at LSU, studied how individuals in the New Orleans area would respond to a major hurricane. Their phone survey excluded those living in households without telephones. Those households are disproportionately poor, minority residents. These individuals are also much more likely than to reside in vulnerable housing. In some parts of the city, the proportion of households that lacks telephones is high — as much as 25%. Based on a 2004 telephone survey [that excluded these households], the LSU professors, found that overall, 68.8% of respondents would leave the area, 9.8% would leave their homes but remain in the area, and 21.4% would remain in their homes. That 21.4% of respondents would remain in their homes is a startling and important statistic, because it indicates that nearly 1 in 4 residents would refuse to leave their homes and 3 in 10 would refuse to leave the area.

Now, my memory might be failing me, but wasn't it concluded that approximately 75% to 80% of NOLA residents evacuated? And if so, wouldn't that mean that the evac actually went rather smoothly, as well as any study had predicted?

Oh, and I missed you guys..... ..... more later.....

[ROCK]

Geez.....its been a while.......and I know this is probably not the first thread I should jump into..... but y'all reminded me of a couple of studies I've run across recently dealing with evacuations, and I'd just like to share, K?

According to the Army's official assessment, approximately 69% of the residents of the Florida panhandle evacuated in anticipation of Hurricane Ivan:


http://chps.sam.usace.army.mil/USHESdata/Assessments/2004Storms/PDFfiles/Ivan%20Final%20Behave%20Part4.pdf

About the same percentage - 69% - of people in
Catagory 1 & 2 storm surge zones fled when Andrew was on his way:

http://chps.sam.usace.army.mil/USHESdata/Assessments/andrew/chapter_3behave.htm

Also, check out this study, which I found here:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ops/hurricane-pam.htm

A considerable amount of data was collected during the New Orleans evacuation associated with Hurricane Ivan in September 2004. Dr. Jeanne Hurlbert and Dr. John J. Beggs, professors in the Dept. of Sociology at LSU, studied how individuals in the New Orleans area would respond to a major hurricane. Their phone survey excluded those living in households without telephones. Those households are disproportionately poor, minority residents. These individuals are also much more likely than to reside in vulnerable housing. In some parts of the city, the proportion of households that lacks telephones is high — as much as 25%. Based on a 2004 telephone survey [that excluded these households], the LSU professors, found that overall, 68.8% of respondents would leave the area, 9.8% would leave their homes but remain in the area, and 21.4% would remain in their homes. That 21.4% of respondents would remain in their homes is a startling and important statistic, because it indicates that nearly 1 in 4 residents would refuse to leave their homes and 3 in 10 would refuse to leave the area.

Now, my memory might be failing me, but wasn't it concluded that approximately 75% to 80% of NOLA residents evacuated? And if so, wouldn't that mean that the evac actually went rather smoothly, as well as any study had predicted?

Oh, and I missed you guys..... ..... more later.....

went rather smoothly? I'm willing to bet the thousands of people in the convention center and the superdome didn't feel the same way. They may have gotten out of there homes but the aftermath that followed is what I wouldn't consider went smoothly. Maybe the evac did make those percentages but it could have been done a lot better. Hopefully, lessons were learned.

[stormie_skies]

Oh, I don't disagree that things could have went better - things could ALWAYS go better. And yeah, a few things could have and should have been done to better prepare the Superdome (the Convention Center was never designated as a shelter). I was just responding to those who said that there was a failure in getting people out or to higher ground - cuz statistically, NOLA & Nagin did pretty well in that department. Just puttin the facts out there, thats all.....

Now, as for Nagin's election chances.... the key factors IMO are how many displaced evacuees vote and how well these other candidates make themselves known to those evacuees. Name recognition runs very much in Nagin's favor, and there are plenty of other candidates to split the anti-Nagin vote (is there going to be a run off?).... but we all know how much he has made an ass outta himself lately....so only time will tell.

I just hope whoever wins has the leadership skills to get y'alls city back up & running again.

[Audrey2Katrina]

Oh, I don't disagree that things could have went better - things could ALWAYS go better. And yeah, a few things could have and should have been done to better prepare the Superdome (the Convention Center was never designated as a shelter). I was just responding to those who said that there was a failure in getting people out or to higher ground - cuz statistically, NOLA & Nagin did pretty well in that department. Just puttin the facts out there, thats all.....

Now, as for Nagin's election chances.... the key factors IMO are how many displaced evacuees vote and how well these other candidates make themselves known to those evacuees. Name recognition runs very much in Nagin's favor, and there are plenty of other candidates to split the anti-Nagin vote (is there going to be a run off?).... but we all know how much he has made an ass outta himself lately....so only time will tell.

I just hope whoever wins has the leadership skills to get y'alls city back up & running again.

Name recognition--absolutely ... and that's why it'll be a Nagin-Landrieu runoff IMHO... not my preference; but my prediction FWIW.

A2K

[Recurve]

Here's what I think should have happened on Saturday:

"Hello, mayor. This is FEMA. We realize thousands of residents there don't have the means or transportation or shelter with which to evacuate--and obviously you can't expect the city's school bus drivers to go to work to implement a mass evacuation to unknown desitnations when they're trying to save their own lives and families-- so we're opening shelters in Baton Rouge, Lafayette, Houston, Dallas, and other places. Our first buses will arrive at I-10 and Florida Avenue, the Superdome, St. Bernard Parish and Lakeview at 3 p.m. and we'll continue sending buses and troop transports until 12 hours before the storm arrives. All you have to do is evacuate your staff and vital emergency workers to the command center we are setting up in La Place. We've commandeered a cruise ship and will board tourists and city workers at Riverwalk so no one's left in the French Quarter. Is there anything else we can do? Oh yes, we also anticipate levee breaks, so we're staging barges loaded with sand bags and repair crews in the Mississippi north of Baton Rouge. They'll be able to go downriver in less than 6 hours after the storm. We're also sending several hundred FEMA officials there, they'll be trained to drive buses and other vital vehicles out of the city, we've organized an evacuation plan so the equipment and personnel are sent to the north and west. Gas tanker trucks are being dispatched for refueling upstream of the evacuation. Our courier will be arriving at your office in the next 15 minutes with 3 dozen satellite phones. Give us a call when he gets there. Oh, and we're sending 500 marines who will be self- sufficient and prepared to assist in the evacuation and stay to guard the city immediately following the storm. Is there anything else you can think of? Good luck."