[b]The Question of Evacuation[/b]

#1 Postby **TexasF6** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 2:37 pm

Ok,

I am tired of people stating that some people "didn't want to leave." You must understand that most of these people who didn't want to leave did not have the MEANS to leave, had no clue that the levees would break, or did not have the mental capacity (elderly, disabled, mentally challenged, under-educated etc) to understand what was going on around them. Just because CNN and whoever else shows certain people saying things we must take into consideration that these people have been traumatized. Living in squalor and fending off drug addicts (that is some of who was shooting at the National Guard) alligators, sharks, the released animals from the zoo, hunger, thirst and God knows what else is enough to drive any human being beyond their breaking point. Have some compassion and do what you can to help these AMERICANS now. This is not the time to point fingers, call folks racist, classist, don't-give-a-care-in-ist or whatever. That will be done in time. In the meanwhile, help is needed! My city of Austin, Texas is doing its part, and so am I!!!

#2 Postby **tndefender** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 2:39 pm

I think you are correct. Check out his article from the Jackson (MS) Clario Ledger:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs. ... 04007/1260

#3 Postby **Cookiely** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:41 pm

People have consistently forgotten one reason people "did not want to leave and not that they couldn't leave". Drugs and alchohol addictions, and fear of looting. They knew they would be searched at shelters.

beenthru6 · #4 Postby **beenthru6** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:55 pm

Many, many people interviewed as to why they didn't leave stated "they didn't think it would get that bad". While untold numbers couldn't leave, untold numbers of others could have, but didn't. That's a fact.

Stormtrack · #5 Postby **Stormtrack** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:16 pm

The article stated that median household income in the most devastated areas in New Orleans was $32,000 and that 2 out 10 did not have cars. I can see that Galveston's evacuation could be just as problematic with median household income of about $29,000. Ironically, before the 1900 hurricane, Galveston was known as one of the richest cities in the nation.

scostorms · #6 Postby **scostorms** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:41 pm

Well in any dangerous situation, i'm evacuating. Heck, I live on the evacuation route out of Waterloo. Bonus on my half, I am only 400 feet from the city limits. People who say they wont leave should be at their own risk once the hurricane nears. I think no rescue operations should be made during a hurricane due to safety issues with the rescuers. Those who don't evacuate should be fined a sum, those who can't should have assistance from city transportation.

#7 Postby **TexasF6** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:25 pm

Ok, mabye because you are in CANADA you don't understand things about this country? So I will try to look past ignorant remarks about fining POOR people who live from paycheck to paycheck and do not have the wherewithal (that means enough money to get out and sustain themselves for multiple days/weeks/months) to evacuate!!! I can't believe I just read this garbage you posted on this site. Wow.

wolfmmiii · #8 Postby **wolfmmiii** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:40 pm

TexasF6 wrote:Ok,

I am tired of people stating that some people "didn't want to leave." You must understand that most of these people who didn't want to leave did not have the MEANS to leave, had no clue that the levees would break, or did not have the mental capacity (elderly, disabled, mentally challenged, under-educated etc) to understand what was going on around them. Just because CNN and whoever else shows certain people saying things we must take into consideration that these people have been traumatized. Living in squalor and fending off drug addicts (that is some of who was shooting at the National Guard) alligators, sharks, the released animals from the zoo, hunger, thirst and God knows what else is enough to drive any human being beyond their breaking point. Have some compassion and do what you can to help these AMERICANS now. This is not the time to point fingers, call folks racist, classist, don't-give-a-care-in-ist or whatever. That will be done in time. In the meanwhile, help is needed! My city of Austin, Texas is doing its part, and so am I!!!

I'll buy the elderly and disabled but I don't want to hear about "undereducated". My 8 year old sat next to me during the day leading up to landfall and asked me (without provocation) if all the people were running away from the hurricane before it made it to land.

If my 8 year old can figure out the fact that people should be leaving, so should everyone else. There were those that "couldn't" and those that "wouldn't". There's a HUGE difference.

artist · #9 Postby **artist** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:31 pm

anyone have a link to the pic of the school buses under water?

#10 Postby **TexasF6** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:49 pm

Yes evacuation should have been heeded. As a SKYWARN NWS trained volunteer I agree. However, how do you get out without any means to get out? Ask the eight year old if he had a Dad (no mom) who worked like hell for little pay raising his son living from check to check with no real savings riding the city bus to work everyday if he could afford to leave? Ask the 8 year old that question and post a reply. Ask the 8 year old would he have sent some nice big buses to get people out who wanted to leave? This death toll will surpass Galeveston's 1900 Storm....there will hell to pay for this....yes there are some quacks who stayed, but their numbers are lower in comparison to those who could not leave...I have met them....there is so much not being reported about the buildup to this...and the aftermath........people need to save the damned judgemental attitudes and have some compassion. Pardon my FRENCH :grr:

#11 Postby **THead** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:53 pm

artist wrote:anyone have a link to the pic of the school buses under water?

http://hummer63.dyndns.org/schoolbusparkinglot.jpg

artist · #12 Postby **artist** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:57 pm

thanks!

wolfmmiii · #13 Postby **wolfmmiii** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:02 pm

TexasF6 wrote:Yes evacuation should have been heeded. As a SKYWARN NWS trained volunteer I agree. However, how do you get out without any means to get out? Ask the eight year old if he had a Dad (no mom) who worked like hell for little pay raising his son living from check to check with no real savings riding the city bus to work everyday if he could afford to leave? Ask the 8 year old that question and post a reply. Ask the 8 year old would he have sent some nice big buses to get people out who wanted to leave? This death toll will surpass Galeveston's 1900 Storm....there will hell to pay for this....yes there are some quacks who stayed, but their numbers are lower in comparison to those who could not leave...I have met them....there is so much not being reported about the buildup to this...and the aftermath........people need to save the damned judgemental attitudes and have some compassion. Pardon my FRENCH

Did you even read my post??????

artist · #14 Postby **artist** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:21 pm

TexasF6 - according to the NO and LA plan - they were to BUS these people out! to safe shelters!!!!!! READ it!

jburns · #15 Postby **jburns** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:43 pm

TexasF6 wrote:Yes evacuation should have been heeded. As a SKYWARN NWS trained volunteer I agree. However, how do you get out without any means to get out? Ask the eight year old if he had a Dad (no mom) who worked like hell for little pay raising his son living from check to check with no real savings riding the city bus to work everyday if he could afford to leave? Ask the 8 year old that question and post a reply. Ask the 8 year old would he have sent some nice big buses to get people out who wanted to leave? This death toll will surpass Galeveston's 1900 Storm....there will hell to pay for this....yes there are some quacks who stayed, but their numbers are lower in comparison to those who could not leave...I have met them....there is so much not being reported about the buildup to this...and the aftermath........people need to save the damned judgemental attitudes and have some compassion. Pardon my FRENCH

You need to understand that no one here caused any of this. In times of disaster the poor have always and will always make up a disproportionate percentage of the victims. They get less warning because they are less likely to listen to news shows and believe what they see. When they do find out about a pending danger they lack the means of transportation to flee. Many are suspicious of any authority and just do not believe what they are told is going to happen. Sad to say the next disaster will be no different.

StormySouthFlorida · #16 Postby **StormySouthFlorida** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:39 pm

........people need to save the damned judgemental attitudes and have some compassion. Pardon my FRENCH

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