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#3281 Postby johngaltfla » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:58 pm

Brent wrote:
Foladar0 wrote:That would change it then, but they did speed it up nonetheless from what I saw, I thought the dots were 1PM dots like the NHCs.


1pm at 4pm... but 7pm at 10pm... 1am at 4am... and 7am at 10am.

Have a headache yet? :lol:


If I have to put up plywood, yes, I'll have a headache. :eek:
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#3282 Postby Foladar0 » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:59 pm

Brent wrote:
Foladar0 wrote:That would change it then, but they did speed it up nonetheless from what I saw, I thought the dots were 1PM dots like the NHCs.


1pm at 4pm... but 7pm at 10pm... 1am at 4am... and 7am at 10am.

Have a headache yet? :lol:

Not yet, but the news is coming on, so soon!
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#3283 Postby Brent » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:00 pm

HURRICANE WILMA DISCUSSION NUMBER 27
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
11 PM EDT FRI OCT 21 2005

THE EYE OF WILMA IS SLOWLY MAKING LANDFALL ON THE NORTHEASTERN COAST
OF THE YUCATAN PENINSULA. EVEN BEFORE LANDFALL...AN AIR FORCE
RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT INDICATED THAT THE FLIGHT-LEVEL
WINDS WERE DECREASING AND THAT THE CENTRAL PRESSURE WAS STARTING TO
RISE. SINCE THE PLANE LEFT...THERE HAS BEEN A NOTABLE DECREASE IN
THE SATELLITE SIGNATURE WITH THE CONVECTIVE TOPS WARMING AND THE
EYE BECOMING CLOUD FILLED. THERE WAS A SURFACE WIND OF 137 KT FROM
AN EYEWALL DROPSONDE EAST OF THE CENTER AROUND 23Z. WHILE THIS
SURFACE WIND IS NOT SUPPORTED BY EITHER THE FLIGHT-LEVEL WINDS OR
THE NORMAL DROPSONDE ANALYSIS PROCEEDURES...IT AND A COUPLE OF 127
KT SURFACE WINDS FROM EARLIER DROPS SUGGEST THE POSSIBILITY THAT
WILMA MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LITTLE STRONGER THAN 120 KT THIS AFTERNOON.
BASED ON THIS AND THE DECAY SINCE THE PLANE LEFT...THE INITIAL
INTENSITY REMAINS 120 KT.

THE INITIAL MOTION IS A WOBBLY 330/3. WILMA IS CURRENTLY IN A COL
AREA BETWEEN TWO SEGMENTS OF THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE...AND SHOULD
MOVE SLOWLY NORTH-NORTHWESTWARD OR NORTHWARD FOR THE NEXT 12-24 HR
INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO. AFTER THAT TIME...A POWERFUL DEEP-LAYER
TROUGH DEVELOPING OVER THE EASTERN UNITED STATES SHOULD BEGIN TO
TURN THE HURRICANE NORTHEASTWARD WITH GRADUAL ACCELERATION. THE
DYNAMICAL MODELS ARE IN BETTER AGREEMENT THAT WILMA WILL CROSS THE
FLORIDA PENINSULA IN 60-72 HR...ALTHOUGH THE NOGAPS IS STILL A
LITTLE SLOWER. HOWEVER...THERE IS SOME SPREAD AS TO WHICH PART OF
FLORIDA THE CENTER WILL CROSS...WITH THE GFDL AND GFS POINTING MORE
NORTHWARD TOWARDS CHARLOTTE HARBOR...AND THE UKMET AND ECMWF
POINTING MORE TOWARD THE FLORIDA KEYS. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST TRACK
IS SHIFTED A LITTLE TO THE RIGHT OF THE PREVIOUS TRACK FOR THE
FIRST 96 HR...AND LIES ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE GUIDANCE ENVELOPE.
GIVEN THE UNCERTAINTY OF WHERE THE CENTER WILL CROSS FLORIDA...ALL
INTERESTS IN THE FLORIDA PENINSULA SHOULD CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE
PROGRESS OF WILMA AND MAKE APPROPRIATE PREPARATIONS.

THE INTENSITY FORECAST REMAINS PROBLEMATIC. THE FIRST QUESTION IS
HOW STRONG WILL WILMA BE WHEN IT EMERGES INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO...
A QUESTION COMPLICATED BY THE EYEWALL REPLACEMENT CYCLE IT IS
UNDERGOING AS IT MAKES LANDFALL. SINCE THE NEW FORECAST TRACK
CALLS FOR LESS TIME OVER YUCATAN THAN EARLIER...THE INTENSITY
FORECAST HAS WILMA EMERGING OVER THE GULF AT A SLIGHTLY HIGHER
INTENSITY THAN THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY. ONCE OVER THE GULF...THERE
IS A WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY FROM 24-48 HR FOR WILMA TO RE-INTENSIFY
AS IT PASSES OVER THE LOOP CURRENT. AFTER 48 HR...THE LARGE-SCALE
MODELS AGREE THAT VERTICAL SHEAR WILL INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY OVER
WILMA...WHICH WILL LIKELY CAUSE WEAKENING. THE INTENSITY FORECAST
CALLS FOR WILMA TO REACH 95 KT BEFORE THE SHEAR HITS...AND IT WILL
PROBABLY REACH FLORIDA AS A CATEGORY TWO HURRICANE. WILMA SHOULD
WEAKEN DURING AFTER AFTER CROSSING FLORIDA...BECOMING EXTRATROPICAL
OVER THE ATLANTIC BETWEEN 96-120 HR.

FORECASTER BEVEN


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 22/0300Z 20.8N 86.9W 120 KT
12HR VT 22/1200Z 21.2N 87.1W 100 KT...INLAND
24HR VT 23/0000Z 21.7N 87.2W 90 KT...OVER WATER
36HR VT 23/1200Z 22.3N 86.9W 95 KT
48HR VT 24/0000Z 23.5N 85.4W 95 KT
72HR VT 25/0000Z 27.0N 80.0W 65 KT
96HR VT 26/0000Z 35.0N 71.0W 55 KT...EXTRATROPICAL
120HR VT 27/0000Z 45.0N 59.0W 55 KT...EXTRATROPICAL
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#3284 Postby johngaltfla » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:00 pm

Brent, did you see the WV loop from tonight? Mike Watkins video presentation is very good and shows the dip in the jet stream is further south than the Globals originally thought. If I wake up and see Jim Cantore or Mike Siedel on my beaches Sunday morning, I'm going to be ill.
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#3285 Postby Brent » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:01 pm

From the discussion:

AFTER THAT TIME...A POWERFUL DEEP-LAYER
TROUGH DEVELOPING OVER THE EASTERN UNITED STATES SHOULD BEGIN TO
TURN THE HURRICANE NORTHEASTWARD WITH GRADUAL ACCELERATION. THE
DYNAMICAL MODELS ARE IN BETTER AGREEMENT THAT WILMA WILL CROSS THE
FLORIDA PENINSULA IN 60-72 HR...ALTHOUGH THE NOGAPS IS STILL A
LITTLE SLOWER. HOWEVER...THERE IS SOME SPREAD AS TO WHICH PART OF
FLORIDA THE CENTER WILL CROSS...WITH THE GFDL AND GFS POINTING MORE
NORTHWARD TOWARDS CHARLOTTE HARBOR...AND THE UKMET AND ECMWF
POINTING MORE TOWARD THE FLORIDA KEYS. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST TRACK
IS SHIFTED A LITTLE TO THE RIGHT OF THE PREVIOUS TRACK FOR THE
FIRST 96 HR...AND LIES ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE GUIDANCE ENVELOPE.
GIVEN THE UNCERTAINTY OF WHERE THE CENTER WILL CROSS FLORIDA...ALL
INTERESTS IN THE FLORIDA PENINSULA SHOULD CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE
PROGRESS OF WILMA AND MAKE APPROPRIATE PREPARATIONS.

THE INTENSITY FORECAST
CALLS FOR WILMA TO REACH 95 KT BEFORE THE SHEAR HITS...AND IT WILL
PROBABLY REACH FLORIDA AS A CATEGORY TWO HURRICANE. WILMA SHOULD
WEAKEN DURING AFTER AFTER CROSSING FLORIDA...BECOMING EXTRATROPICAL
OVER THE ATLANTIC BETWEEN 96-120 HR.
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#3286 Postby Brent » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:02 pm

johngaltfla wrote:Brent, did you see the WV loop from tonight? Mike Watkins video presentation is very good and shows the dip in the jet stream is further south than the Globals originally thought. If I wake up and see Jim Cantore or Mike Siedel on my beaches Sunday morning, I'm going to be ill.


Yes... that's good news for you. The NHC track is actually(as I suspected) a little farther south across Florida...
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#3287 Postby LanceW » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:04 pm

Brent wrote:From the discussion:


Sounds like his favorite models are the UKMET and ECMWF. :D
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#3288 Postby johngaltfla » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:11 pm

Brent wrote:
johngaltfla wrote:Brent, did you see the WV loop from tonight? Mike Watkins video presentation is very good and shows the dip in the jet stream is further south than the Globals originally thought. If I wake up and see Jim Cantore or Mike Siedel on my beaches Sunday morning, I'm going to be ill.


Yes... that's good news for you. The NHC track is actually(as I suspected) a little farther south across Florida...


Good news? I'm 5 miles from Venice which now has the highest of strike probabilities (within so many miles, etc., etc.)
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#3289 Postby WeatherEmperor » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:13 pm

LanceW wrote:
Brent wrote:From the discussion:


Sounds like his favorite models are the UKMET and ECMWF. :D


I dont really blame him. Most of the other global models took Wilma somewhat deeper and longer into the Yucatan, whereas the UKMET didnt bring Wilma very far into the Yucatan. The UKMET wasnt 100% accurate about this, but certainly a little bit more accurate then the others.

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#3290 Postby Bgator » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:13 pm

The storm is now stationary, Some reds have returned to west side, i think its going thru a EWRC...It actually is doing a cyclonic loop then shuld continue NNW/N!
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#3291 Postby Brent » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:14 pm

johngaltfla wrote:
Brent wrote:
johngaltfla wrote:Brent, did you see the WV loop from tonight? Mike Watkins video presentation is very good and shows the dip in the jet stream is further south than the Globals originally thought. If I wake up and see Jim Cantore or Mike Siedel on my beaches Sunday morning, I'm going to be ill.


Yes... that's good news for you. The NHC track is actually(as I suspected) a little farther south across Florida...


Good news? I'm 5 miles from Venice which now has the highest of strike probabilities (within so many miles, etc., etc.)


The track shifted south though...
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#3292 Postby johngaltfla » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:16 pm

Brent wrote:
johngaltfla wrote:
Brent wrote:
johngaltfla wrote:Brent, did you see the WV loop from tonight? Mike Watkins video presentation is very good and shows the dip in the jet stream is further south than the Globals originally thought. If I wake up and see Jim Cantore or Mike Siedel on my beaches Sunday morning, I'm going to be ill.


Yes... that's good news for you. The NHC track is actually(as I suspected) a little farther south across Florida...


Good news? I'm 5 miles from Venice which now has the highest of strike probabilities (within so many miles, etc., etc.)


The track shifted south though...


Nope. It's north now. Almost to Fort Myers, through the Bonita Springs area. And the models have all trended north also. Look at those GFS/GFDL loops. If those stay consistent AND Wilma stays NNW to N for the next 36 hours, I think I'm toast.
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#3293 Postby johngaltfla » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:17 pm

More bad news on my local news. I forgot about this. The G4 is down for maintenance on Sunday.

Not cool.
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#3294 Postby LanceW » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:17 pm

johngaltfla wrote:
Brent wrote:
johngaltfla wrote:
Brent wrote:
johngaltfla wrote:Brent, did you see the WV loop from tonight? Mike Watkins video presentation is very good and shows the dip in the jet stream is further south than the Globals originally thought. If I wake up and see Jim Cantore or Mike Siedel on my beaches Sunday morning, I'm going to be ill.


Yes... that's good news for you. The NHC track is actually(as I suspected) a little farther south across Florida...


Good news? I'm 5 miles from Venice which now has the highest of strike probabilities (within so many miles, etc., etc.)


The track shifted south though...


Nope. It's north now. Almost to Fort Myers, through the Bonita Springs area. And the models have all trended north also. Look at those GFS/GFDL loops. If those stay consistent AND Wilma stays NNW to N for the next 36 hours, I think I'm toast.


The official track shifted SOUTH though.
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#3295 Postby gotoman38 » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:18 pm

wow... I just noticed.... 155 pages!

CAT 5 THREAD! :lol:
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#3296 Postby CronkPSU » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:25 pm

gotoman38 wrote:wow... I just noticed.... 155 pages!

CAT 5 THREAD! :lol:


LOL, that is awesome but i thought we needed 156 pages for cat 5? can we get a ruling from an admin....regardless, it will reach that in nthe next hour or so!
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#3297 Postby vbhoutex » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:29 pm

CronkPSU wrote:
gotoman38 wrote:wow... I just noticed.... 155 pages!

CAT 5 THREAD! :lol:


LOL, that is awesome but i thought we needed 156 pages for cat 5? can we get a ruling from an admin....regardless, it will reach that in nthe next hour or so!


Absolutely right!! This is still a CAT4 thread!!!
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#3298 Postby CronkPSU » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:29 pm

still wobbling like crazy...cozumel and that area are just going to be decimated
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#3299 Postby myred » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:29 pm

Just doing my part at getting to 156 pages :D
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#3300 Postby CronkPSU » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:32 pm

myred wrote:Just doing my part at getting to 156 pages :D


congrats!!!! your post did it!
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