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Re: Frances *is* rapidly weakening

#3421 Postby LowMug » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:40 am

ncweatherwizard wrote:I should have just gone with what I had expected in previous forecasts...better be on the safe side. Frances is definitely down to a Category 2 hurricane by now, although, we all know NHC will be reluctant to downgrade, understandably so no one will let their guard down too early. This shear is monsterous right now, and is really starting to rip apart the system. The pressure is starting to increase as expected, and it won't be long before all this gets to the inner core--which is really fighting off the shear well for now. But another 24 hours of this shear, and the core may begin to collapse. It's not impossible that we'll have a tropical storm tomorrow--although I do have my majority doubts with this. For now, expect pressures to increase roughly into the 970s today.


Its good to know that you had already forecasted all of this happening 2 days ago (sarcasm)...therefore I am inclined to take everyone of your forecasts and promptly dispose of it in the doodoo can...
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Is Frances following track?

#3422 Postby Windfall » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:40 am

Here are some important considerations...

Is Frances moving a little slower than anticipated? I heard that a local meteorologist said that in the next advisory Frances's moving speed might be reduced to 3 or 4 mph. If so, Frances may move even slower making the NHC's projected track subject to change.

What I noticed though is that in the NHC's projected model, as soon as about Saturday morning, after making landfall, Frances was forecasted to make a shift more towards the west as a result of a high pressure being strengthened by the trough moving from the Central U.S. That trough has amost made it to Louisianna now.

If Frances stalls out until Saturday moring, in or around its current position, this may allow ample time for the High pressure ridge over the Southeast to strengthen and move Frances farther south than anticipated.

Another scenario is that the trough may dig so deep and move fast enough that by Saturday it could steer Frances away from Florida. My main point is that as Frances slows down more, uncertainty increases. South Florida could still be under the gun if Frances does not move north of its latitude by the time the high pressure ridge steers it west.

Any comments are welcome.
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Re: Frances *is* rapidly weakening

#3423 Postby Brent » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:40 am

LowMug wrote:
ncweatherwizard wrote:I should have just gone with what I had expected in previous forecasts...better be on the safe side. Frances is definitely down to a Category 2 hurricane by now, although, we all know NHC will be reluctant to downgrade, understandably so no one will let their guard down too early. This shear is monsterous right now, and is really starting to rip apart the system. The pressure is starting to increase as expected, and it won't be long before all this gets to the inner core--which is really fighting off the shear well for now. But another 24 hours of this shear, and the core may begin to collapse. It's not impossible that we'll have a tropical storm tomorrow--although I do have my majority doubts with this. For now, expect pressures to increase roughly into the 970s today.


Its good to know that you had already forecasted all of this happening 2 days ago (sarcasm)...therefore I am inclined to take everyone of your forecasts and promptly dispose of it in the doodoo can...


Good one... LOL!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Frances *is* rapidly weakening

#3424 Postby ncweatherwizard » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:41 am

LowMug wrote:
ncweatherwizard wrote:I should have just gone with what I had expected in previous forecasts...better be on the safe side. Frances is definitely down to a Category 2 hurricane by now, although, we all know NHC will be reluctant to downgrade, understandably so no one will let their guard down too early. This shear is monsterous right now, and is really starting to rip apart the system. The pressure is starting to increase as expected, and it won't be long before all this gets to the inner core--which is really fighting off the shear well for now. But another 24 hours of this shear, and the core may begin to collapse. It's not impossible that we'll have a tropical storm tomorrow--although I do have my majority doubts with this. For now, expect pressures to increase roughly into the 970s today.


Its good to know that you had already forecasted all of this happening 2 days ago (sarcasm)...therefore I am inclined to take everyone of your forecasts and promptly dispose of it in the doodoo can...


lol; I've always been better with intensity than track.
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#3425 Postby Anonymous » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:41 am

Amazing how strong and dangerous Frances was and now only to be a shell of her former storm...as this thing falls apart the Weather experts look like they cried wolf and unnecessary panic
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#3426 Postby Terry » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:45 am

Abaco Board crashed yesterday a.m. A temp board was set up and now a permanent new one was just set up at 2coolfishing forums.

The crash of the board during height of Floyd prompted back-up plans and thank goodness it did for those of us who care so much about the beautiful Family Islands of the Bahamas!
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#3427 Postby Brent » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:46 am

Argh... the NHC track now doesn't have landfall until Late Late Saturday Night.

Come on Frances... :roll:
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#3428 Postby charleston_hugo_veteran » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:47 am

Today's Discussion
POSTED: September 3, 2004 8:30 a.m.


Hurricane Frances, as of 8 A.M. EDT, is centered at 25.3 north and 76.4 west, over the island of Eleuthera, and 260 miles east southeast of the lower Florida east coast. Frances is moving toward the west-northwest at 9 mph. Maximum sustained winds are 120 mph. This makes Frances a strong category 3 hurricane. San salvador in the Bahamas reported a wind gust of 120 mph late Thursday afternoon. Eleuthera reported sustained winds of near 100 mph this morning. The central pressure within the hurricane is 957 millibars (28.26 inches). A hurricane warning remains in effect for the central and northwestern Bahamas. A hurricane warning also remains in effect for the Florida east coast, from Florida City northward to Flagler Beach, including Lake Okeechobee. A tropical storm warning and a hurricane watch are in effect for the middle and upper Florida Keys, from south of Florida City, to the Seven Mile Bridge, including Florida Bay.

Note that Frances has changed in intensity since yesterday, weakening to a category 3 hurricane; but that is still a major hurricane. Also note that the forward speed has slowed. We expect landfall on the Florida coast, between Melbourne and West Palm Beach Sunday morning. The strength of the guiding ridge, or high to the north will again be key; there is some room for a turn that would have the hurricane parallel the coast, even head toward the Carolinas. A stronger high to the north would take Frances across the peninsula, toward southwest Georgia. Frances will likely undergo fluctuations up to the time of landfall; re- strengthening is not of the question, particularly as it encounters the Gulf Stream waters.

The slow movement of this hurricane means torrential, flooding rains, over a longer time period; first in its path in Florida, then farther inland, depending upon its ultimate track.

As for conditions at the point of and just north of landfall, we expect 100 mph sustained winds, gusts to 130 mph or higher, a storm surge of 9-12 feet, and 10-20 inches of rainfall in the path of Frances. Tornadoes will become a concern, as well, in some of the outer bands, and in the east quadrant of the storm, once it does get inland.

The strong tropical wave in the eastern Atlantic near the Cape Verde islands has become Tropical Storm Ivan. As of 5 am AST Tropical Storm Ivan was located near 10.0 north and 30.7 west or about 610 miles southwest of the Cape Verde Islands. Maximum sustained winds are near 40 mph and the depression is moving west near 16 mph. Current forecast tracks by model output show this system tracking nearly due west for the next several days then turning northwest. Some longer range model output is suggesting this system will move into Hispaniola late next week then into the Bahamas next weekend. Until this system develops further this is mostly speculation. But it is possible another tropical cyclone could threaten the southeast U.S. in about 10 days.
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#3429 Postby Deenac813 » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:47 am

This is a very good question. Anyone want to take a stab at it?
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#3430 Postby das8929 » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:47 am

Yes im waiting for her already!! I cant wait any longer!! Get it over with already!
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#3431 Postby das8929 » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:48 am

They never stop mentioning the Carolinas do they? hmmm
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#3432 Postby Cyclone Runner » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:49 am

Yes, but it is the backup 2coolfishing forum which has now crashed. Is there another backup?
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#3433 Postby Brent » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:49 am

Better rest now... LOL
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TWC NOW SAYS HIGH PROB. N.FLA LANDFALL

#3434 Postby charleston_hugo_veteran » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:50 am

:roll: :roll:
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#3435 Postby Guest » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:50 am

But they have mentioned the gulf stream which could start her back up.. Its better to be safe than sorry.
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#3436 Postby x-y-no » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:52 am

BigEyedFish wrote:Amazing how strong and dangerous Frances was and now only to be a shell of her former storm...as this thing falls apart the Weather experts look like they cried wolf and unnecessary panic


Yeah, unfortunately a lot of people would think that, but they'd be wrong.

Forecasting, particularly of intensity but also of path is just an incredibly hard problem, and unfortunately the logistics of getting our enormous coastal populations to safety is such a huge and time-consuming tast that the call has to be made long before we can confidently know what will happen.

The alternative is to put lots of lives at risk.

I ask people who mean lady about this something like this: Suppose you were seated in a room 6 feet wide, and you know that a bullet is going to fly though that room in the near future. You can just sit there, or you can buy yourself a bullet-proof vest for $400 or for $800 you can be let out of the room. If you stay there, there's only a 10% chance you'll actually get hit. What would you do?

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Edited because I used "huge" three times. I hate when I do stuff like that. :-)
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#3437 Postby TLHR » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:52 am

Frances is on the move again.
Finally.
Does look like a bit of a jog to the NW, but I do not expect this motion to last long.
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#3438 Postby bree4bryce » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:52 am

also said miami is clear of landfall...frances may soon be downgraded to strong cat 2... n.fla is my gut feeling (maybe even savannah unless she fizzles out...!!).
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#3439 Postby JPmia » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:53 am

Dean4storms...that means a more southern landfall point in FL right? what area do you think if your theory is correct?
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#3440 Postby das8929 » Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:53 am

I dont understand that concept. The ridge is firmly in place, and should begin the west movement in 24 hrs.
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