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Lets kill some seals

#1 Postby Winnipesaukee » Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:34 pm

Like this one:
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And we'll do it like this:
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TORONTO - A day after tens of thousands of seal pups were hunted for their pelts, Canadian wildlife officials on Wednesday were counting to determine if hunters had reached their quota.

As Tuesday's hunt ended, activists called the hunt inhumane, with some seal pups being skinned alive.

The hunt — carried out with rifles and spears and reviled by animal rights activists — was held in the Gulf of St. Lawrence off the coast of Quebec and in the frozen barrens of the Atlantic Ocean off Newfoundland.
Hunters were allowed to kill 350,000 young seals this year, the largest amount since the government instituted quotas in the 1960s. If that number wasn't reached Tuesday, the hunt will be extended for another 24 hours.

Wildlife officials said that the harp seal population is growing at 5.2 million and pelts are garnering record prices of about $50 each.
Steve Outhouse, a spokesman for Canada’s Department of Fisheries and Oceans, said wildlife officials were working with the seal hunters to determine the size of the hunt. It wasn’t clear when the count would be publicly announced.

Earlier this year, the Humane Society of the United States took out full-page newspaper ads urging Americans to cancel trips to Canada and boycott Canadian products.

In 1972, the United States passed the Marine Mammal Protection Act which bars the hunting of marine mammals, including seals, sea lions and polar bears.

Many countries, including the United States, still ban imports of seal products, but Canada supports the hunt to help its economically suffering coastal towns. The industry earned about $15 million last year, primarily from pelt sales to Norway, Denmark and China.

Outhouse said that “our position is based on science. Right now the harp seal population off Canada’s east coast is booming — 5.2 million as opposed to less than a third of that in the 1970s.”

“Most Canadians are okay with the hunt in principle," he added, "as long as it’s being done in a way that is sustainable and as humanely as possible.”

In both hunts, the seals are taken in the "whelping" areas where they born a few weeks earlier.

For many of the sealers, most of whom also fish for cod or crab, the seal hunt is the first seasonal income they will make this year, said Earl McCurdy, head of the union.

After rising international outrage over the hunt in the 1970s and 1980s forced the collapse of historic European markets for seal pelts, Canada passed legislation in 1987 that restricted the methods used to hunt seals.
Canada banned the killing of whitecoat seal pups younger than 12 days and limited sealers to the use of small boats rather than large commercial vessels.

As markets for seal skins and products slowly revived in eastern Europe and Asia, the hunt’s economic benefits were seen as an important way to replace income lost when the centuries old cod fishery collapsed in the early 1990s.

But animal rights groups say the cull of defenseless seal pups two weeks to three months old amounts to nothing less than a slaughter of the innocents. The seals are clubbed or shot to death on the ice floes where the mammals give birth and prepare to mate before heading to the Arctic.
“It’s a slaughter of one of the world’s greatest wildlife spectacles,” said IFAW’s Rebecca Aldworth. “The seal nursery is absolutely pristine and beautiful just days before the hunters come. And then, just days later, that peace on the ice is shattered by the hunters who club and shoot everything in sight.”

On Saturday, Montreal’s Gazette mockingly noted that “limousine liberals from Manhattan to Knightsbridge are fretting and signing petitions about the fate of the cute little seals off Canada’s east coast.”
The newspaper then offered a recipe for seal-flipper pie, a traditional Newfoundland dish.

The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this story.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4738584/
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#2 Postby mf_dolphin » Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:29 pm

I know they are cute but hunting seals is no more brutal that slaughtering cows. They just don't happen to be adorable....
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#3 Postby stormraiser » Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:36 pm

I think it is the clubbing of them to death that gets most people up in arms. If they aren't culled, they will start dying because of disease and starvation anyway.
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#4 Postby Winnipesaukee » Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:40 pm

Oh, I never said I disapproved, I was just shocked to see that photo on MSNBC. 8-)
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#5 Postby GalvestonDuck » Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:41 pm

I've always been confused about this -- are they killed ONLY for their pelts? Not for food or anything else?

And is the fur only soft when they are babies? The article says that they are killed when they're two weeks to three months old.

So that means, somewhere out there are a few baby seals who survived, matured, bred, and had more babies. But eventually, the older ones will die. So if the hunters kill too many babies, eventually there won't be any mature ones left to breed and then the fur industry will suffer.

Cows are slaughtered when they're much older than three months. Plus, we also use milk from cows and we get leather from cows, right?
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#6 Postby stormraiser » Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:46 pm

Well, they use different breeds for milking, but probably sell the sick and lame milkers for meat (hence, the mad cow incident last year in Wash.) The natives up there probably use the whole animal, but as far as the hunters from the "White Man's" areas may only do it for the fur.

As far as killing too many, they have a quota, and that quota, even if exceeded allows for the survival of the species.
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#7 Postby Stephanie » Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:49 pm

Do they HAVE TO CLUB THEM??? I mean, come on!!! :grr:
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#8 Postby GalvestonDuck » Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:06 pm

Well, if hunting them is banned here in the States under the Marine Mammal protection act, why not just pack up a whole bunch and bring them over here? :) (Kidding, I know that's not realistic. But as a member of the Texas Marine Mammal Stranding Network [we help rescue and treat beached dolphins and so forth], I had to offer it up as a suggestion.)

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I guess it's kinda like eating puppies. Why do people in some countries do that? I suppose it's part of their culture. IMO, fish, cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys, and broccoli are all ugly enough to eat and I don't feel as guilty about it. Dogs, seals, dolphins -- too cute, therefore, not edible or huntable.
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#9 Postby Guest » Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:12 pm

I'm sorry, but I just couldn't bring myself to do something like this. I'm also a big believer in using the entire animal, and it just seems like a big waste to me. The sounds must be horrible.

And by the way, I'm not a "wuss" (anyone who has played sports or seen me in the gym can attest to that). I just couldn't whack a bunch of baby seals like this.
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#10 Postby sunnyday » Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:14 pm

Cruelty makes me sick!!! Some people are so mean. :cry:
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#11 Postby vbhoutex » Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:48 pm

You would think they could find another way to kill them!!!! Like Jamie, I am no wuss(not at 6'2" and well over 200 lbs!!!!), but you WOULD NEVER CATCH ME DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT!!!, quota's or not. THERE HAS GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY!!
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#12 Postby mf_dolphin » Wed Apr 14, 2004 3:34 pm

The clubs are still used today however guns are becoming more prevelant. btw, the white seal shown in the picture is off-limits today. They still show that image because it evokes more emotion. The seals when they are killed average about 70 lbs and are gray in color. National Geographic did an article a month or so ago on this very issue. I'll will dig through it tonight and try and get some more information...
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#13 Postby Stephanie » Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:11 pm

mf_dolphin wrote:The clubs are still used today however guns are becoming more prevelant. btw, the white seal shown in the picture is off-limits today. They still show that image because it evokes more emotion. The seals when they are killed average about 70 lbs and are gray in color. National Geographic did an article a month or so ago on this very issue. I'll will dig through it tonight and try and get some more information...


I'd appreciate it Marshall!
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#14 Postby coriolis » Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:12 pm

And Marshall.....About the animation in your signature.........
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