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Found this on the drudgereport - thought some might find it interesting and/or useful.
History of the Lebanese-Israeli Conflict
Jul 17 9:23 AM US/Eastern
By The Associated Press
A brief history of the Lebanese-Israeli conflict:
Because Israel and Lebanon have never signed a peace accord, the countries remain officially in a state of war that has existed since 1948 when Lebanon joined other Arab nations against the newly formed Jewish state.
The two countries have been bound by an armistice signed in 1949, which regulates the presence of military forces in southern Lebanon.
With a large Christian minority in an overwhelmingly Muslim region, mercantile and Westernized, Lebanon was considered the least hostile Arab neighbor to Israel _ and the weakest. The rare skirmishes that occurred were mostly symbolic.
That began to change as Palestinian guerrillas became active. In 1968, Israeli commandos landed at Beirut airport and blew up 13 Lebanese airliners in retaliation for Arab militants firing on an Israeli airliner in Athens, Greece.
Under pressure from staunch anti-Israeli Arab regimes in 1969, Lebanon signed an agreement that effectively gave away a southern region for Palestinian guerrillas to use as a springboard to infiltrate Israel or launch cross-border attacks.
Israel retaliated regularly as Palestinian guerrillas fired on northern Israel, and Israeli forces invaded southern Lebanon in 1978. A U.N. peacekeeping force deployed and the Israelis pulled out after installing a local Lebanese militia in a border buffer zone, but the attacks continued.
Israel invaded again on a wider scale in 1982 to destroy Yasser Arafat's Palestinian guerrilla movement, which had established itself as a force within Lebanon during the country's civil war that began in The bulk of Palestinian guerrillas were evacuated from Lebanon, but a new Lebanese guerrilla force, Hezbollah, emerged with the aid of Iran and drawn from the Shiite Muslim community that inhabits southern and eastern Lebanon.
U.S.-sponsored negotiations produced a Lebanon-Israel agreement but that deal died as Lebanon collapsed in another round of civil war.
After a destructive and costly military campaign that lasted for three years, Israeli forces withdrew from most of Lebanon but retained a self-proclaimed "security zone" just north of its own border.
Fighting inside Lebanon would escalate periodically, including a 1993 Israeli bombing offensive and the 17-day "Grapes of Wrath" military campaign in 1996 that left about 150 Lebanese civilians dead. At that time, Israel was reacting against guerrilla attacks by Hezbollah against Israeli soldiers inside the occupied zone and against Katyusha rockets being fired by Hezbollah into Israel proper.
Israel left that zone in 2000, but warned that it would return if its security to the north was compromised.
Hezbollah trumpeted Israel's withdrawal as a great victory but claimed that Israel continued to occupy illegally a small, empty parcel near Syria called the Chebaa Farms.
Diplomats mostly see that claim as a convenient excuse to justify attacks against Israel. Nevertheless, the Israeli-Lebanese frontier had remained largely quiet for the past six years with occasional outbursts _ until a cross-border raid July 12 resulted in the capture of two Israeli soldiers and the killing of eight others, sparking the current warfare.
History of the Lebanese-Israeli Conflict
Jul 17 9:23 AM US/Eastern
By The Associated Press
A brief history of the Lebanese-Israeli conflict:
Because Israel and Lebanon have never signed a peace accord, the countries remain officially in a state of war that has existed since 1948 when Lebanon joined other Arab nations against the newly formed Jewish state.
The two countries have been bound by an armistice signed in 1949, which regulates the presence of military forces in southern Lebanon.
With a large Christian minority in an overwhelmingly Muslim region, mercantile and Westernized, Lebanon was considered the least hostile Arab neighbor to Israel _ and the weakest. The rare skirmishes that occurred were mostly symbolic.
That began to change as Palestinian guerrillas became active. In 1968, Israeli commandos landed at Beirut airport and blew up 13 Lebanese airliners in retaliation for Arab militants firing on an Israeli airliner in Athens, Greece.
Under pressure from staunch anti-Israeli Arab regimes in 1969, Lebanon signed an agreement that effectively gave away a southern region for Palestinian guerrillas to use as a springboard to infiltrate Israel or launch cross-border attacks.
Israel retaliated regularly as Palestinian guerrillas fired on northern Israel, and Israeli forces invaded southern Lebanon in 1978. A U.N. peacekeeping force deployed and the Israelis pulled out after installing a local Lebanese militia in a border buffer zone, but the attacks continued.
Israel invaded again on a wider scale in 1982 to destroy Yasser Arafat's Palestinian guerrilla movement, which had established itself as a force within Lebanon during the country's civil war that began in The bulk of Palestinian guerrillas were evacuated from Lebanon, but a new Lebanese guerrilla force, Hezbollah, emerged with the aid of Iran and drawn from the Shiite Muslim community that inhabits southern and eastern Lebanon.
U.S.-sponsored negotiations produced a Lebanon-Israel agreement but that deal died as Lebanon collapsed in another round of civil war.
After a destructive and costly military campaign that lasted for three years, Israeli forces withdrew from most of Lebanon but retained a self-proclaimed "security zone" just north of its own border.
Fighting inside Lebanon would escalate periodically, including a 1993 Israeli bombing offensive and the 17-day "Grapes of Wrath" military campaign in 1996 that left about 150 Lebanese civilians dead. At that time, Israel was reacting against guerrilla attacks by Hezbollah against Israeli soldiers inside the occupied zone and against Katyusha rockets being fired by Hezbollah into Israel proper.
Israel left that zone in 2000, but warned that it would return if its security to the north was compromised.
Hezbollah trumpeted Israel's withdrawal as a great victory but claimed that Israel continued to occupy illegally a small, empty parcel near Syria called the Chebaa Farms.
Diplomats mostly see that claim as a convenient excuse to justify attacks against Israel. Nevertheless, the Israeli-Lebanese frontier had remained largely quiet for the past six years with occasional outbursts _ until a cross-border raid July 12 resulted in the capture of two Israeli soldiers and the killing of eight others, sparking the current warfare.
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sunny wrote:I find this scary....
Syria offers safe haven to US nationals fleeing Lebanon
Jul 17 3:26 PM US/Eastern
The Syrian embassy said it was offering "safe haven" to Americans and other citizens wishing to flee Lebanon, where nearly 200 civilians have been killed during a massive Israeli military bombardment.
"Now, while thousands of United States citizens are stranded in Lebanon attempting to flee the ongoing massacre there, Syria has opened its borders to US citizens as well as citizens of other nationalities," the embassy said in a statement.
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Uh... let's see. Go to Syria and risk being taken hostage or stay in Beirut and have a chance at being killed. I think I'd take my chances in Lebanon...
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Brent wrote:sunny wrote:I find this scary....
Syria offers safe haven to US nationals fleeing Lebanon
Jul 17 3:26 PM US/Eastern
The Syrian embassy said it was offering "safe haven" to Americans and other citizens wishing to flee Lebanon, where nearly 200 civilians have been killed during a massive Israeli military bombardment.
"Now, while thousands of United States citizens are stranded in Lebanon attempting to flee the ongoing massacre there, Syria has opened its borders to US citizens as well as citizens of other nationalities," the embassy said in a statement.
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Uh... let's see. Go to Syria and risk being taken hostage or stay in Beirut and have a chance at being killed. I think I'd take my chances in Lebanon...
nah. go to Syria and catch a plane out. much safer.
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Janice wrote:If I couldn't get out by plane or ship, I would definately go to Syria. I would just get the heck out.
I have some friends that vacation in Syria every summer for a month+
They are in the northern area i believe. They love the area, but are ALWAYS glad to be back in the usa!
Iran recently called for the fighting to END... Syria is being EXTREMELY generous to usa citizens giving them medical attention, and places to stay....
Sounds like the little bullies are worried that this might escalate and the true king of the playground might have to get involved. I hope the usa does get involved and we crush the terrorists and their abilities all throughout the region to lead to another 40 years of toned down violence.
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jason0509 wrote:During the 2 pm ET hour, CNN interviwed an American woman stuck in Lebanon. She was terrified. She started to expres some political views and the anchor jumped in and said "now m'am, you are aware of the other side correct." CNN strives to be balanced and fair.
CNN balanced and fair... lol sure... just look at their reporters.
I would take Fox News over CNN ANYDAY.
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This will not end anytime soon. As much as I hate to say it. The UN and everybody else needs to stand back and let Israel deal with the Hezbollah in Lebanon. Behind close doors we should communicate to the rest of the world that the minute Syria or Iran becomes involved, then our gloves come off.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,203908,00.html
Hezbollah sharply rejected talk of a cease-fire Monday, accusing international proposals for the end of violence a ploy to help Israel continue striking Lebanon.
"The international envoys have conveyed Israeli conditions. These conditions are rejected," said Hezbollah legislator Hussein Haj Hassan. "We accept what secures our country's interest and pride and dignity and not to submit to Israeli conditions," he said on al-Jazeera television.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,203908,00.html
Hezbollah sharply rejected talk of a cease-fire Monday, accusing international proposals for the end of violence a ploy to help Israel continue striking Lebanon.
"The international envoys have conveyed Israeli conditions. These conditions are rejected," said Hezbollah legislator Hussein Haj Hassan. "We accept what secures our country's interest and pride and dignity and not to submit to Israeli conditions," he said on al-Jazeera television.
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Britain = Mainland
UK Includes Northern Ireland.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't UK a short term for "United Kingdom of Great Britain"?
Bottom line: British forces/planes will ultimately be considered those of the UK.. this is a silly thing over which to make an issue.
Or motive? I would not take refuge there.
My sentiments as well, Linda. I have a good friend who married into a Syrian family, (but they are Christians and members of the "Orthodox" Church from there) They used to go there at least once a year as well; but haven't made that trip in years--they do NOT like the growth of terrorism, OR Syria's probable role in same. Perhaps all Syria is trying to do is avoid what could very well bring them to the brink of "regime change"..hence terror-driven in its own way; but based on what I've heard from my friend... I don't know how comfortable I'd feel in Syria.
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