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Re: Oil price over $147 for the first time-now above $70

#1101 Postby george_r_1961 » Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:05 pm

MGC wrote:Now that the summer driving season is coming to a close gasoline demand should drop and along with that the price. Of course with the world economy slowly reviving this will increase demand for oil causing the price to rise. In short, I don't have a clue what oil prices will do. Add into that the recent discovery by BP of oil in the GOM...who knows?....MGC



Even a slight increase in demand will have speculators going ape, sending oil above $100 a barrel. Watch the dollar. If it devalues again, and I think it will, that will also send prices up.
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#1102 Postby vbhoutex » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:55 pm

I haven't been following oil prices but our gas prices have dropped 0.10 in the last week here in Houston. Price is now 2.21 per gallon.
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#1103 Postby HURAKAN » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:57 pm

$2.61-$2.69 in my neighborhood
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#1104 Postby JonathanBelles » Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:10 pm

Absolutely not complaining, but its been stuck at $2.45 for weeks here.
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Re: Oil price over $147 for the first time-now above $70

#1105 Postby Lurker » Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:14 pm

Crude Oil Rises the Most in More Than a Month as Dollar Tumbles

At this point it is all about the dollar. Stunning fall in the dollar today getting close to all time lows.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... PoABw5yGkA
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Re: Oil price over $147 for the first time-now above $70

#1106 Postby vbhoutex » Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:10 pm

This is a serious request as I am not real knowledgeable about the dollar and its' rise and fall.
From the article noted:
The U.S. currency dropped 1.3 percent to $1.4515 per euro from $1.4332 yesterday. It touched $1.4535, the weakest since Dec. 18.

Why is this fall stunning? There is no such statement as that in the article.
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#1107 Postby Lurker » Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:53 pm

vbhoutex wrote:This is a serious request as I am not real knowledgeable about the dollar and its' rise and fall.
From the article noted:
The U.S. currency dropped 1.3 percent to $1.4515 per euro from $1.4332 yesterday. It touched $1.4535, the weakest since Dec. 18.

Why is this fall stunning? There is no such statement as that in the article.


Great question and I'm glad you asked.

The dollar index broke 78 hard to 77.31. That is a significant move in the currency market. A move from 1.4332 to 1.4515 in one day is tremendous against the euro - moves were broad based as we are nearing record lows. Central banks are losing faith because the interest on our debt alone is 400 billion and growing - the forecast for the next 10 years is to double the debt or add another 9 trillion. The Fed is boxed in and people are starting realize it - they understand that the only way out is inflation.

Also Bloomberg used the words "dollar tumbles" - I use stunning because a world currency is not supposed to act like this. That is why China, Russia, Brazil and the UN are requesting a new currency. People need to pay close attention to these details as they will have profound impacts on our day to day life. A currency dropping 1% in a day is the equivalent of taking 1% out of your checking account. Stocks may rise nominally but in real terms everyone is poorer as our purchasing power drops (we can buy fewer goods with equivalent dollars or put in another way everything is getting more expensive).

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/DXY
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Re: Oil price over $147 for the first time-now above $70

#1108 Postby Stephanie » Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:17 pm

I think it also helps to contribute to the rising cost of crude oil, etc. like we saw last summer. It takes more dollars to purchase a product each time its value falls. Therefore, it becomes more expensive.

It's kind of like looking at the currency exchange between two countries and figuring how much more spending power you do or do not have if you visit from one to another.

Using that logic then, that would also mean that the interest on our debt would be worth less so the initial investment is now worth less. The ones holding the debt are not getting the value back that they initially expected.

At this point, the way I see it is that everything is a speculation and A RISK. You play with fire you can get burned. It's legalized gambling. Those that speculated our economy to where we are now should be hurting, IMHO.
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#1109 Postby Lurker » Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:24 pm

Stephanie wrote:I think it also helps to contribute to the rising cost of crude oil, etc. like we saw last summer. It takes more dollars to purchase a product each time its value falls. Therefore, it becomes more expensive.

It's kind of like looking at the currency exchange between two countries and figuring how much more spending power you do or do not have if you visit from one to another.

Using that logic then, that would also mean that the interest on our debt would be worth less so the initial investment is now worth less. The ones holding the debt are not getting the value back that they initially expected.

At this point, the way I see it is that everything is a speculation and A RISK. You play with fire you can get burned. It's legalized gambling. Those that speculated our economy to where we are now should be hurting, IMHO.


That is exactly right! You nailed it. The US can only debase the dollar in order to pay back the creditors. That means we all get to pay for it through inflation.
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#1110 Postby Lurker » Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:03 pm

Not sure how this author could say peak oil is here but prices will remain flat. Especially after the Chinese are unleashing capitalism - there's a huge population that want to drive cars like we do in the US. If we do in fact hit peak oil then prices surely will not fall.

http://www.forexyard.com/en/reuters_inn ... -INTERVIEW

INTERVIEW-When will we hit peak oil? Try 2009 - Macquarie

Global oil production capacity seen peaking in 2009

* Spare capacity of 5.2 million bpd wiped out by 2012

* Long-term price reaction seen muted

By David Sheppard

LONDON, Sept 16 (Reuters) - Peak oil supply will be hit this year after the economic crisis and low prices in the first quarter of 2009 slashed much needed investment, a senior executive at Australian investment bank Macquarie said.

"This is our view -- capacity has pretty much peaked in the sense that declines equal new resources," Iain Reid, head of European oil and gas research at Macquarie, told Reuters.

The peak oil theory that oil supply is at or near its peak was long considered marginal.

It gained currency when prices zoomed towards their record of nearly $150 hit in July last year, with leading exponents suggesting various dates for the supply peak to be reached.

Some oil majors have acknowledged the prospect of dwindling production, but others have argued better extraction techniques and other technological advances will offset any decline.

Reid's latest research report -- The Big Oil Picture: We're not running out, but that doesn't mean we'll have enough -- sees global oil production capacity topping out at 89.6 million barrels per day (bpd) this year, a far more pessimistic view than most other banks or traditional forecasters.

Underinvestment in mature fields, rising resource nationalism, and the cost and difficulty of retrieving oil from discoveries in ultra-deep water could see global production capacity fall to 87.3 million bpd by 2015, according to Reid.

Reid, who spent 16 years with oil firms Shell and Amerada Hess, saw the current spare capacity cushion of around 5.2 million barrels wiped out by 2012. "With the reduction in spending on mature fields, that's the major driver. Then really it's about, 'where do the new sources come from?'," Reid said, adding the economic crisis had further restricted investment.

"If you look around the world it's either locked up in countries which are difficult to access or it's locked up in countries where they are tightening access or it's in these huge mega-structures which are very difficult to develop technically and cost-wise."

The International Energy Agency, adviser to 28 industrialised nations, has predicted global supply will continue to rise through 2015, but that demand might grow faster than that.

Macquarie saw the potential for a huge supply deficit to emerge, with global oil demand predicted to rise to 90.9 million bpd by 2015 from 84.2 million bpd today because of rising consumption from China and other emerging markets.

"Adding sufficient productive capacity on time is nearly impossible," Reid said in his report.

PRICE TO RISE, BUT NOT SO MUCH

Episodes of higher oil prices would be an obvious consequence, without either a greater political push for efficiency savings or new technological advances, he said.

But his price forecasts were still relatively conservative.

He expected the benchmark U.S. crude contract will average $84 a barrel in 2012, compared with around $71 now. The bank's "long run" forecast is for an average price of $75.

The level of nearly $150 hit last year was unlikely to be repeated, Reid said, because of its immediate damaging effect on the world economy and on fuel demand.

"One hundred dollars a barrel is perhaps liveable with in certain scenarios, but I would say gasoline will reach the $4 level again and that will naturally force more efficiency in the United States," Reid said, adding it was difficult to forecast when such levels would be hit.

Eventually, the trend could be towards peak demand, rather than peak supply as higher prices drive the quest for greater efficiency and alternative energy sources.

"(Oil near $150) would very soon create another set of global economic drivers which would spell much lower demand in the future," said Reid.

"In the very long term we can see demand for oil falling quite substantially."
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Re: Oil price over $147 for the first time-now above $70

#1111 Postby cycloneye » Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:23 am

Oil closed on December 31rst at almost $80,ending up 78% in 2009.It means gas at the pump will go up a little in the comming weeks.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/34639216

Oil finished the year above $79 a barrel Thursday, climbing a whopping 78 percent in 2009 and notching the biggest annual gain in a decade. The market roared back from depressed levels seen at the end of 2008 that came as the global economic crisis sapped demand.
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#1112 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:00 pm

Oil closed today above $81 because of the cold weather.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/34684216

Oil rose more than $2 to settle above $81 a barrel on Monday, its highest close in nearly 15 months, as cold weather battered the United States and other big consumer regions and drove up demand for heating fuel.
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#1113 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:13 pm

On Tuesday,oil closed almost at $82 thanks to the cold weather.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/34695847

Oil rose Tuesday, up for the ninth straight day as cold weather in the United States and Europe boosted demand for heating fuel.
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#1114 Postby oaba09 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:46 pm

Damn...oil price is going up again :(
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Re: Oil price over $147 for the first time-now above $80

#1115 Postby Stephanie » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:26 am

We're seeing a January thaw hitting the US at least after that very damaging one felt in the middle of the country and the extreme south. Hopefully that will mean the prices will start to fall again.
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#1116 Postby arkess7 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:58 am

yep up 2 $2.89 here......but volusia county has a high tax rate for gas :x
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#1117 Postby somethingfunny » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:28 am

Stephanie wrote:We're seeing a January thaw hitting the US at least after that very damaging one felt in the middle of the country and the extreme south. Hopefully that will mean the prices will start to fall again.


Ours have already fallen. Over the past few weeks the cheapest places in town have spiked from $2.29 before Christmas, to $2.55 a few days ago, now back down to $2.49.
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#1118 Postby cycloneye » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:00 am

Have anyone noticed that quietly,the price at the pump has gone up in recent weeks? Its at 75.7 a liter as in Puerto Rico its served as liters.That may be caused by the spike in the Oil prices today at $86 a barrel.
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#1119 Postby HURAKAN » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:10 am

Yep, here in my area the cheapest is $2.81
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#1120 Postby gtalum » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:22 am

Oil prices are up and demand is up.

Look for $4 gasoline again soon if the global economy continues its recovery.
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