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#141 Postby SouthFloridawx » Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:44 pm

I can't believe they did it... and they launched them on the 4th of July.
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#142 Postby kevin » Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:49 pm

SouthFloridawx wrote:I can't believe they did it... and they launched them on the 4th of July.


Britain, France, Israel, Pakistan, India, China, Russia, and the United States all launch missile tests, along with other places. Its often done with strategic reasons, especially timing. We stage exercises in areas we wish to project force, and the Chinese assemble missiles across the straits from Taiwan.

I would be surprised if the North Koreans didn't act reasonably, if they didn't try and get the United States' attention when they knew Americans would care. Its not about defeating America, its about brinksmanship.

Maybe I'm using the wrong words.
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#143 Postby kenl01 » Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:55 pm

Thanks Derek;

Yep, the last President that ever had guts was Harry Truman. Back then America was on top of things. :wink:
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#144 Postby Janice » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:01 pm

CNN just said they are back to confirming 6 missles.
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#145 Postby kevin » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:03 pm

kenl01 wrote:Thanks Derek;

Yep, the last President that ever had guts was Harry Truman. Back then America was on top of things. :wink:


Eisenhower, what a pansy.
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#146 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:04 pm

Janice wrote:CNN just said they are back to confirming 6 missles.


Ok Janice,not that you are wrong about the information but will wait for more information before I edit again the title as this has gone back and forth in the number of missiles fired.
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#147 Postby coriolis » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:20 pm

I don't think that this is anything that should cause a panic. The guy with the bad hair is the international ADHD kid acting out to get attention.

That's not to say that there's no danger, but it must be kept in perspective. There's still how many working missles left over from the cold war?

I think that there's some principals at play that are bigger than this situation. For one, I don't think that we need the UN to get involved. If they have a right to meddle in N.Korea's internal affairs, they'd have a right to meddle in our affairs. The UN has a unique ability to make the US look bad, even when we're right.

Secondly, the US is the international 800 lb gorilla (with a heart, I quickly add). We can't be flailing at every mosquito that flies around us.

Thirdly, Let them test their missle. The test will provide more information than our intelligence services could ever gather. It would be very valuable to know if their missles work, how accurate they are, & etc.

The reports say that their missle would have the range to hit our west coast with a light payload. What's that, a firecracker?

Maybe this guy will accidentally blow himself up.

In any case, it is way premature to react to this with anything more than a few -and I mean a few - pithy words. What would Clint Eastwood say?
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#148 Postby Janice » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:27 pm

Make My Day..... :eek:
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#149 Postby coriolis » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:32 pm

That's all we'd have to say.

It evokes strength, determination, confidence, and the ability to do something about it. Saying anything more would just be so much blah blah blah.
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#150 Postby Brent » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:48 pm

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- Yonhap news agency cites government officials as saying North Korea tested 10 missiles in all.
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#151 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:51 pm

Brent wrote:SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- Yonhap news agency cites government officials as saying North Korea tested 10 missiles in all.


Well Brent,I prefer to wait for more confirmation from many other sources besides that one to then edit the title of thread and believe it's true.
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#152 Postby george_r_1961 » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:59 pm

coriolis wrote:I don't think that this is anything that should cause a panic. The guy with the bad hair is the international ADHD kid acting out to get attention.

That's not to say that there's no danger, but it must be kept in perspective. There's still how many working missles left over from the cold war?

I think that there's some principals at play that are bigger than this situation. For one, I don't think that we need the UN to get involved. If they have a right to meddle in N.Korea's internal affairs, they'd have a right to meddle in our affairs. The UN has a unique ability to make the US look bad, even when we're right.

Secondly, the US is the international 800 lb gorilla (with a heart, I quickly add). We can't be flailing at every mosquito that flies around us.

Thirdly, Let them test their missle. The test will provide more information than our intelligence services could ever gather. It would be very valuable to know if their missles work, how accurate they are, & etc.

The reports say that their missle would have the range to hit our west coast with a light payload. What's that, a firecracker?

Maybe this guy will accidentally blow himself up.

In any case, it is way premature to react to this with anything more than a few -and I mean a few - pithy words. What would Clint Eastwood say?


Ed I agree..cooler heads must prevail here. From what ive heard one of the tests didnt go very well at all. We need to remain vigilant but I dont see anything to panic over.
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#153 Postby feederband » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:07 pm

kevin wrote:
SouthFloridawx wrote:I can't believe they did it... and they launched them on the 4th of July.


Britain, France, Israel, Pakistan, India, China, Russia, and the United States all launch missile tests, along with other places. Its often done with strategic reasons, especially timing. We stage exercises in areas we wish to project force, and the Chinese assemble missiles across the straits from Taiwan.

I would be surprised if the North Koreans didn't act reasonably, if they didn't try and get the United States' attention when they knew Americans would care. Its not about defeating America, its about brinksmanship.

Maybe I'm using the wrong words.


There are protocols that are used by most country's even our's on test firing missiles...For the just to shoot them when they want in the Sea of Japan is unacceptable...
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#154 Postby SouthFloridawx » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:31 pm

feederband wrote:
kevin wrote:
SouthFloridawx wrote:I can't believe they did it... and they launched them on the 4th of July.


Britain, France, Israel, Pakistan, India, China, Russia, and the United States all launch missile tests, along with other places. Its often done with strategic reasons, especially timing. We stage exercises in areas we wish to project force, and the Chinese assemble missiles across the straits from Taiwan.

I would be surprised if the North Koreans didn't act reasonably, if they didn't try and get the United States' attention when they knew Americans would care. Its not about defeating America, its about brinksmanship.

Maybe I'm using the wrong words.


There are protocols that are used by most country's even our's on test firing missiles...For the just to shoot them when they want in the Sea of Japan is unacceptable...


Agreed...

Please they know the international community does not want them to have nukes or even test fire long range missles. The fact that they are test firing a long range missle that has the capability of reaching the west coast of the United States is probably something that we shouldn't let go and stand Idle by. IMO this is a much bigger threat the Iraq ever was.
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#155 Postby rainstorm » Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:51 pm

george_r_1961 wrote:
coriolis wrote:I don't think that this is anything that should cause a panic. The guy with the bad hair is the international ADHD kid acting out to get attention.

That's not to say that there's no danger, but it must be kept in perspective. There's still how many working missles left over from the cold war?

I think that there's some principals at play that are bigger than this situation. For one, I don't think that we need the UN to get involved. If they have a right to meddle in N.Korea's internal affairs, they'd have a right to meddle in our affairs. The UN has a unique ability to make the US look bad, even when we're right.

Secondly, the US is the international 800 lb gorilla (with a heart, I quickly add). We can't be flailing at every mosquito that flies around us.

Thirdly, Let them test their missle. The test will provide more information than our intelligence services could ever gather. It would be very valuable to know if their missles work, how accurate they are, & etc.

The reports say that their missle would have the range to hit our west coast with a light payload. What's that, a firecracker?

Maybe this guy will accidentally blow himself up.

In any case, it is way premature to react to this with anything more than a few -and I mean a few - pithy words. What would Clint Eastwood say?


Ed I agree..cooler heads must prevail here. From what ive heard one of the tests didnt go very well at all. We need to remain vigilant but I dont see anything to panic over.


i disagree. cooler heads already prevailed and thats why north korea has nukes and missiles in the first place. it was also pointed out that this missile launch was not a total failure. north korea gained valuable knowlege today, and they will eventually get it right. iran is watching very carefully and i hope "cooler" heads dont prevail there and lets iran get nukes. north korea and iran have been very open in their hatred for us, and in irans case for any western nation and jews. cooler heads prevailed in 1938 in negotitations with hitler and 50 million died. if hot heads like churchill had prevailed the nazis would have been crushed at a loss of a few thousand in 1936 instead of 50 million by the time the war ended in may of 1945
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#156 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:01 pm

I agree 100 percent. When some one wents to kill people no amount of talking works at times. Theres times it doe's but with people like Kim il and Iran maybe not.
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#157 Postby Jam151 » Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:28 am

Report: N. Korea launches 7th missile
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TOKYO - North Korea has launched a seventh missile, a news report said Wednesday, citing Japanese government sources.

North Korea fired the latest missile at 5:22 p.m. (4 a.m. EDT), Kyodo News agency reported. The missile landed 6 minutes later, the report said.

Defense officials could not immediately confirm the report. It was unclear what type of missile was launched or where it landed.
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#158 Postby kevin » Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:53 am

SouthFloridawx wrote:
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kevin wrote:
SouthFloridawx wrote:I can't believe they did it... and they launched them on the 4th of July.


Britain, France, Israel, Pakistan, India, China, Russia, and the United States all launch missile tests, along with other places. Its often done with strategic reasons, especially timing. We stage exercises in areas we wish to project force, and the Chinese assemble missiles across the straits from Taiwan.

I would be surprised if the North Koreans didn't act reasonably, if they didn't try and get the United States' attention when they knew Americans would care. Its not about defeating America, its about brinksmanship.

Maybe I'm using the wrong words.


There are protocols that are used by most country's even our's on test firing missiles...For the just to shoot them when they want in the Sea of Japan is unacceptable...


Agreed...

Please they know the international community does not want them to have nukes or even test fire long range missles. The fact that they are test firing a long range missle that has the capability of reaching the west coast of the United States is probably something that we shouldn't let go and stand Idle by. IMO this is a much bigger threat the Iraq ever was.


They are sovereign. They can do as they wish, international community be damned. So can the United States.

Firing missiles into the sea of Japan is unacceptable?? The French not long ago were exploding nuclear weapons in the South Pacific.
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#159 Postby JonathanBelles » Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:07 am

does anyone have a map of where the missles went?
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#160 Postby Janice » Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:34 am

North Korea test-fires 7th missile

CNN) -- North Korea has test-fired a seventh missile amid international furor over the regime's launch of six missiles earlier in the day.

The Japanese Defense Agency said one ballistic missile was fired Wednesday from southeastern North Korea around 5:20 p.m. (4:20 a.m. ET), landing in the Sea of Japan about 10 minutes later.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html
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