Israel thread #2

[Janice]

I don't think anyone will hit the ships. They are not that stupid. If they did that, it would be all out war with the US and they know it. It will be shock and awe for them.

[Regit]

So I'm going to guess yes.

Not according to the CNN viewers I've spoken to. Like I said, I flat out don't watch 'em, so I can't say for sure; but I've spoken to at least three others who watch all the channels, and they said that while CNN will occasionall mention that the Israelis are being hit with missiles, it's not NEARLY the coverage they're giving to the "awful" (my sarcasm) things Israel is doing to poor Lebanon. I have heard that Anderson Cooper (is that his name?) is pretty fair... wouldn't know.

I'll stick to internet sources, Fox. and occasionally MSNBC as long as it's NOT Keith Obermann.

A2K

Well if the people you talk to have the same view of CNN as you, I doubt they're good sources. And if they're honestly telling you that CNN is only reporting about "poor Lebanon" they're either exaggerating or outright lying.

CNN has reporters in Israel, and quite frankly, I'm sick of seeing breaking news for every boom they hear and every flash they see. They basically find out about strikes from the governments involved and other sources. What they report is as good as the information they get. With Lebanese TV reporting a bomb everytime someone burps, I would expect more reports of Israeli strikes on Lebanon, though I haven't seen it yet.

[ericinmia]

It will be shock and awe for them.

If they think this is bad.... hmm...

If they were to stike US ships the world would see once again the power of this silent, humble beast!

As the Japanese once said... "we have awakoned a sleeping Giant"

[Brent]

There were just two MASSIVE explosions near the Beirut airport. CNN had the report a few minutes ago along with incredible video of it. Reminded me of those bombs we hit Baghdad with...

[stormtruth]

It will be shock and awe for them.

If they think this is bad.... hmm...

If they were to stike US ships the world would see once again the power of this silent, humble beast!

As the Japanese once said... "we have awakoned a sleeping Giant"

a bit of a stretch to call us silent and humble anymore. We are already fighting in two countries.

[Audrey2Katrina]

Well if the people you talk to have the same view of CNN as you, I doubt they're good sources. And if they're honestly telling you that CNN is only reporting about "poor Lebanon" they're either exaggerating or outright lying.

Now the one thing we're NOT supposed to do in here is get personal. Having an opinion about a news source is one thing; I don't really care that you like CNN, and it shouldn't be a big deal to you if I do not; but calling someone's friend a potential outright liar is altogether different. Did you even bother to note my comment from them on Cooper? as FAIR? Be an apologetic for them all you want; but DO NOT include casting aspersions aimed at me personally, or friends whose views I trust. I will ask you this only ONE time. As far as your suppositions go: #1 They obviously don't hold my views of CNN as THEY WATCH IT--regularly. #2: I TRUST their information... perhaps the exaggerations and/or lies are coming from another source... let's just see that the apologetics for CNN, (or views opposing their format) stop at the line of innuendo about an individual, or his/her friends... THAT is what site policy is against and it's a wise policy.

You watch news you trust; I'll do the same.

A2K

[Janice]

Fresh airstrikes accompanied by huge explosions hit Beirut near its main airport.


Per CNN homepage

[Janice]

Israeli tanks are moving in right now to Gaza per Wolf Blitzer...

[bvigal]

Even if there had not been a travel warning for Lebanon, the U.S. government would not pick up the tab for evacuation. The law is clear, you travel or work outside the United States at your own risk. Dear old Uncle Sam cannot protect and shield you wherever you go, whatever you do, and no matter what happens.

Victims of hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, tsunamis, wars, etc. overseas are given emergency help by the consulate in the form of cash loans, family notification, evacuations, etc. If the evacuation is done by military, they aren't charged. More frequently, the fastest way is for the consulate to charter private carriers, and evacuees pay the fare. Usually people are greatful! I bet most of these people are, too. Just a few whiners who make the most noise.

[kevin]

Israel will move into the Bekaa valley as it is strategically important. If they are there already, apologies. Its hot outside and I have been building a house.

Any idea Kevin if Israel or Syria has shown any troop build ups near the Golan Heights?

I have no idea whether Syria is building up troops near the Golan Heights. I am sure that Iran isn't going to be able to deploy any large groups into this conflict because they would have to cross through Iraq or Turkey.

If Syria is mustering forces near the Golan Heights I would bet they are rockets and artillery to strike at Israeli settlements. This is just from my limited knowledge of past conflicts.

[feederband]

Even if there had not been a travel warning for Lebanon, the U.S. government would not pick up the tab for evacuation. The law is clear, you travel or work outside the United States at your own risk. Dear old Uncle Sam cannot protect and shield you wherever you go, whatever you do, and no matter what happens.

Victims of hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, tsunamis, wars, etc. overseas are given emergency help by the consulate in the form of cash loans, family notification, evacuations, etc. If the evacuation is done by military, they aren't charged. More frequently, the fastest way is for the consulate to charter private carriers, and evacuees pay the fare. Usually people are greatful! I bet most of these people are, too. Just a few whiners who make the most noise.

Actualy there was a travel warning in may that was updated a week ago...Now the state department will wave the fees.

[JTD]

You know,

all I can say is that the views expressed by some on this website positively astound me and frusturate me to my core. LOL.

[stormtruth]

The Drudge Report is saying the US just told Israel they can only bomb Hezbollah for one more week. http://www.drudgereport.com

[kevin]

Israel isn't a US lapdog. They will carry on the conflict for as long as they believe is in their interests. They will not lose the US as an ally, and the worst thing that could happen is we criticize them slightly on the world stage.

Whatever Drudge's past performance, it doesn't make sense for the US to issue such an ultimatum. It wouldn't be obeyed, I am 95% certain.

Israel is a powerful little nation.

[bvigal]

Actualy there was a travel warning in may that was updated a week ago...Now the state department will wave the fees.

Yes, I said "even if there had NOT been a travel warning", meaning yes, there was one. So the U.S. is going to waive the costs for chartered commercial carriers? Very interesting, where can I find that? It is contrary to what I've been told and read in the regulations. I'm a warden for the U.S. Consul. One of my duties is to assist U.S. citizens in the event of a disaster. If the policy has changed, maybe it will also apply to hurricane evacuees.

[Regit]

The Drudge Report is saying the US just told Israel they can only bomb Hezbollah for one more week. http://www.drudgereport.com

I find this VERY VERY hard to believe. Tony Snow said just today that a cease-fire that still left Hezbollah intact and functioning was unacceptable.

[Regit]

Actualy there was a travel warning in may that was updated a week ago...Now the state department will wave the fees.

Yes, I said "even if there had NOT been a travel warning", meaning yes, there was one. So the U.S. is going to waive the costs for chartered commercial carriers? Very interesting, where can I find that? It is contrary to what I've been told and read in the regulations. I'm a warden for the U.S. Consul. One of my duties is to assist U.S. citizens in the event of a disaster. If the policy has changed, maybe it will also apply to hurricane evacuees.

Do you by any chance know where in the Code that is? I'd love to read it since there is some confusion. Tony Snow said it was "the law," while Pelosi said it was never intended the way it's being used.

Also, this is a quote from an aritcle on the situation at http://www.worldnetdaily.com. The source is State Department spokeswoman Janelle Hironimus.

She said payment by private U.S. citizens is required since the State Department website for some time has warned against travel to Lebanon due to security concerns.

[Brent]

The Drudge Report is saying the US just told Israel they can only bomb Hezbollah for one more week. http://www.drudgereport.com

I don't buy that for a second, not since the U.S. has taken a hardline unlike most everyone else.

[feederband]

Actualy there was a travel warning in may that was updated a week ago...Now the state department will wave the fees.

Yes, I said "even if there had NOT been a travel warning", meaning yes, there was one. So the U.S. is going to waive the costs for chartered commercial carriers? Very interesting, where can I find that? It is contrary to what I've been told and read in the regulations. I'm a warden for the U.S. Consul. One of my duties is to assist U.S. citizens in the event of a disaster. If the policy has changed, maybe it will also apply to hurricane evacuees.

CNN and Fox are reporting it...

[bvigal]

Actualy there was a travel warning in may that was updated a week ago...Now the state department will wave the fees.

Yes, I said "even if there had NOT been a travel warning", meaning yes, there was one. So the U.S. is going to waive the costs for chartered commercial carriers? Very interesting, where can I find that? It is contrary to what I've been told and read in the regulations. I'm a warden for the U.S. Consul. One of my duties is to assist U.S. citizens in the event of a disaster. If the policy has changed, maybe it will also apply to hurricane evacuees.

Do you by any chance know where in the Code that is? I'd love to read it since there is some confusion. Tony Snow said it was "the law," while Pelosi said it was never intended the way it's being used.

Also, this is a quote from an aritcle on the situation at http://www.worldnetdaily.com. The source is State Department spokeswoman Janelle Hironimus.

She said payment by private U.S. citizens is required since the State Department website for some time has warned against travel to Lebanon due to security concerns.

4 FAH-3 H-833.3 Payment of Emergency Evacuation Expenses for Private U.S. Citizens and Third-Country Nationals (CT:FMP-26; 12-16-2004) In an emergency, post should not accept cash from private U.S. citizens or from third-country nationals to cover evacuation expenses. To provide evacuation expenses to a safehaven, posts may make loans to individual U.S. citizens, their non-U.S. citizen family members, or third-country nationals whose evacuation has been approved by the Department. Each head of a family being evacuated must execute a Form DS-3072, Emergency Loan Application and Evacuation Documentation, approved by a consular officer. In reviewing these forms, officers should ensure that applicants who are U.S. citizens or permanent residents have included a U.S. address, social security number, passport number, and date and place of birth. When such persons are to be evacuated in a group and time is limited, verbal agreement to repay their pro rata share of the group evacuation expenses is requested from each individual, with the understanding that they will be expected to sign a promissory note for the amount to be repaid for themselves and their dependents, if any, after arriving at the safehaven post. Third-country nationals who are evacuated will not be billed directly. Rather, their government will be required to pay the U.S. Government for the evacuation of those nationals. The approved Form DS-3072 forms are forwarded to RM/GFS/F/R for recording and collection with a copy retained
http://foia.state.gov/masterdocs/04fah0 ... 030830.pdf