the iraqi army will be incredibly tough!!

[Rainband]

RUN FOR OFFICE IF YOU CAN DO BETTER..Or move to another country where the government more suitably fits your needs GHEEZZZZZZ!!!!!!



Johnathan

[Rainband]

There are certain responsibilities that go along with being the Most powerful nation on earth. We do things the way they must be done to assure a certain line isn't crossed. I honestly believe Our country wanted Saddam to disarm and avoid this war. He has not and we are trying to pass another resolution with a deadline. This step is required because even in the end when we act without UN approval we can say we tried everything. I honestly think if your not happy with the way this country does things LEAVE!!! Plain, clear cut and simple.


Johnathan

[sunny shine]

Exactly Rainband.... if we were to not do things the right way then we would be no better than Saddam himself.

I would not deem asking for help "begging" as rainstorm so radically put it. The United States is asking for help from other countries. It makes me wonder if all these so called war protestors or anti-Bush, anti-American protestors will give us an apology when we go in there and find these weapons of mass destruction. How about it rainstorm... are you willing to apologize? Everybody on this board will remember these comments and when all is said and done, I will be happy to cook your crow any way you may like it.

[sunny shine]

Well then he is definitly not practicing what he preaches. If he wanted to do it then do it. He says two different things. One thing "yippie do dah we're gonna get these evil do'ers/goppidly goop" but he makes others defend his international relations and help to clean up after his mouth. Thats why he has only had 8 solo news conferences while clinton had 30 at this time in his presidency. They don't want him talking too much and get us in more situations.

And 29 of those news conferences consisted of "I did not have sex with that woman". LOL. What a great comparison.

[southerngale]

JQPublic wrote:

but he makes others defend his international relations and help to clean up after his mouth. Thats why he has only had 8 solo news conferences while clinton had 30 at this time in his presidency. They don't want him talking too much and get us in more situations."

ROFLOL!!! That's not why.

Clinton had 30 at this time (assuming your number is accurate) because he likes the sound of his own voice and lives for attention.

Bush has news conferences when it's appropriate, not because he wants to be in the spotlight.

[M2]

Exactly sunny shine, tisk-tisk. Now let's go back a few...

chadtm80 wrote:
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he is very patient!!!hehe extremely patient, especially with a dictator who he has made out to be the new hitler. if saddam is as bad as bush says he is, and i agree saddam is another hitler, then why the endless delays? bush has no spine?

I agree that its time already, but TRUST ME its not because Bush has no spine... We have no idea what it takes to start a war..... Its not the push of a button like its made out to be on tv...

we have had some spine-less presidents.. But Bush is not on that list. lol

rainstorm wrote:
correct decision. now at least one member of blairs govt has resigned in opposition to the war. each day of delay increases the chances that blairs govt will fall, all caused by bush's endless and fear filled delays. if blair, s govt falls, bush should be impeached

Hello rainstorm - I've been reading your posts now for over a year and I know your highest priority is instigating, ahem, "discussions". You're a fairly knowledgeable guy and usually play the devil's advocate in the rounds of volley - which shows me you're at least thinking and analyzing what is discussed, not just flipping out the same old bland comments which is refreshing. So if I may continue in this vein: Chad has made an important observation regarding 'a push of a button'. This 'war' or conflict cannot be started without analyzing scenarios, talking with the other countries, obtaining the latest G2, working behind the scenes wheeling and dealing - which changes the result of any potential conflict on any given day. Now wait, the inspections you say? That's just buying time, a marketing strategy if you will. It satisfies certain grumbles from other countries and entities...can we use the two-lettered acronym here...? - you get the picture. You say you agree that Sadaam, oops - Captain Insaneo, has got to go. Well, just about everyone else near or involved with this situation agrees. The issue is how to do it within respective 'laws', alliances, financial investments and business interests, treaties, then - how to construct and rebuild a much more moderate regime that neighboring countries/internal factions will recognize without alot of grumbling and screaming that could lead to yet another conflict, a potential downward-spiraling mess. This all takes time. Powell and Bush are walking the walk; it's advancing in the background, just not in front of FoxNews & CNN ATM - that will come later. The military strategists already have their numbers, projections and charts regarding opposition forces; they know about the dams, chem/bio threats, etc. etc. This has already been considered. They probably have a very good presumption of results when we finally do go in - who will surrender, who won't, what or 'who' is going to come out of the woodwork to try and escalate the situation....and on and on. When we go in, we go in - and I don't want to know beforehand and shouldn't either, otherwise those guys aren't doing their jobs. The more important question is IMHO, what will occur afterwards and how stable will the overall situation be post-conflict, not only internally but within the whole Gulf-world sandbox in general. Will the threat from Insaneo's war machine to other countries be lowered?

[rainstorm]

Exactly Rainband.... if we were to not do things the right way then we would be no better than Saddam himself.

I would not deem asking for help "begging" as rainstorm so radically put it. The United States is asking for help from other countries. It makes me wonder if all these so called war protestors or anti-Bush, anti-American protestors will give us an apology when we go in there and find these weapons of mass destruction. How about it rainstorm... are you willing to apologize? Everybody on this board will remember these comments and when all is said and done, I will be happy to cook your crow any way you may like it.

i have nothing to apologize for. i realized back on 12sept, 2001 that our first priority should be iraq. had we immedialtely siezed the iraqi oilfields the war would have been over in a few days. now, we have set the precedent of groveling to the un to protect ourselves. reagan was reamed in the 80's fo supporting the contra's, but he was right and the sandinistas are long gone. if bush believes what he said, "you are either with us, or against us", then this was a no brainer back on 12sept2001. again, i have nothing to apologize for, since i recognized the need for regime change long before bush did. a leader doesnt vacillate in the face of opposition, he leads. that is the definition of a leader. you dont follow "world opinion", you shape it. if we ignored the un, those countries would be BEGGING US to get in on the action. bush needs to announce now that he considers the decisions of france and germany final. we will reshape the govt of iraq without any interference from our "friends". bush needs to apologize to all the families of guardsmane he has ripped apart. as we see, the iraqi army cant wait to surrender. as soon as we move, the "war" will be over. i have always said the iraqi army wil turn on saddam the minute they realize we mwan what we say.

[sunny shine]

Wow what an about face rainstorm. Thanks for making me dizzy.

[JQ Public]

So if i told you to move to a different country everytime you complained about Clinton. I would be justified?! Gimme a break.

Actually sunny shine if you listened to what i wrote. I said when 8 solo news conferences while clinton had 30 AT THIS SAME TIME IN HIS PRESIDENCY. IF YOU DID NOT ALREADY KNOW ALL THE SEX STUFF HAPPENED IN HIS SECOND TERM. I really think bush is a puppet president. He is definitly NOT the brains behind the operation like other presidents have been.

[Rainband]

So if i told you to move to a different country everytime you complained about Clinton. I would be justified?! Gimme a break.

All I am saying is the President of The United states deserves respect. Clinton lied and made himself look like an idiot... Bush is faced with alot of challanges and is dealing with them all very well IMHO and I think if we had someone else in office we'd be screwed. Give the man his due respect. Also I do stand by my comment. Anyone who isn't happy with the way our government is run should move and be governed elsewhere..plain and simple



Johnathan

[JQ Public]

Yes i respect him for going after Al Qaeda. But any president would have done that if we were attacked. He was just president when a bunch of people attacked us. I just find it weird that only after we were attacked did people respect him, before that he was the texas governor who had never been out of the country, lost the popular vote, and needed all out security during his inagural address b/c of all the opposition. One thing he can do is relate with the common man/woman.

[sunny shine]

What opposition? And when did he need extra security? All Presidents require heavy security. You make it sound as if he were going to be assasinated for being elected President!! If that is true, please show me facts.

southerngale said it right.... Clinton enjoyed the "lime light" while Bush is acting professionally.

[Rainband]

Yes i respect him for going after Al Qaeda. But any president would have done that if we were attacked.

First of all Clinton attacked AL Qaeda, once, he lauched one series of bombing raids. I am not placing blame on anyone but Al Qaeda was a clear and present danger before bush was in office..so why didn't they address it then???? I will tell you why, because Clinton was too busy with the scandal to do his job. The scandal he created and LIED about...enough said!!!!! :o Actually not enough. People want to blame Bush for our economy??The reason our economy is in the state it is in because of September 11th. If the Clinton Administration would have stepped up and tried to deal with AL Qaeda and terrorist threats abroad and home...September 11th might have never happened :o It may have but he could have done better to prevent it IMHO.


Johnathan

[sunny shine]

Not to mention that Clinton could have extradited Bin Laden from Sudan and blew it. Then here comes the bombing of the USS Cole and Sept.11th. So let us not blame the Bush administration for the previous administrations mistakes! Clinton also was blackmailed by N Korea and look where that got us. Bush is not bowing down at their attempts to blackmail. Now the Bush administraion is having to clean up what the Clinton administration should have. People did not forget all that during election time. Gore lost his own state during the elections. That should tell you that even his own people had no confidence in his ability to act as President of the United States. But Bush won his state by a landslide. Even after the Florida recounts, Bush won Florida.

[Rainband]

Not to mention that Clinton could have extradited Bin Laden from Sudan and blew it. Then here comes the bombing of the USS Cole and Sept.11th. So let us not blame the Bush administration for the previous administrations mistakes! Clinton also was blackmailed by N Korea and look where that got us. Now the Bush administraion is having to clean up what the Clinton administration should have. People did not forget all that during election time. Gore lost his own state during the elections. That should tell you that even his own people had no confidence in his ability to act as President of the United States.

YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH!!!!!!!


Johnathan 8)

[JQ Public]

Ken starr was the one who made it a big deal. It was a family issue and nothing else. It was consensual it wasn't rape. And yes there were huge protests and riots during president bush's inaguration. Reporters thought this would be the biggest story of their careers before the 9/11 attacks. Yes gore lost his state but bush lost the popular vote. This is fact.

You make it sound like getting Bin Laden out was easy. It isn't...or Bush would have gotten him after searching for a year and a half exclusively for him. Now he is changing the subject and doing this war. I'm sorry but Bush has been President long enough and it is time for him to man up and take responsibility for his actions as well.

[sunny shine]

JQ.... he is owning up to his responsiblilty. He is the only President that has actually went after Bin Laden and Al Quaeda. We have arrested top Al Quaeda men. What has Clinton ever done?

You may say all this, but have yet to give me some facts.

[Rainband]

Ken starr was the one who made it a big deal. It was a family issue and nothing else.

HE LIED TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND HIS WIFE!!!Give me a freaking break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Johnathan

[sunny shine]

Good call Rainband. He sure did.

[mf_dolphin]

Goodness it looks like I've missed all the fun! Clinton not only had a chance to extradite Osama but did nothing of substance after our Embassy's were bombed! Absolutely nothing! President Bush has taken the path through the UN because of a desire to use the process in place to handle these situations. Prime Minister Blair has acted with great courage in supporting President Bush as well. If the UN had done their job when the inspectors were expelled (btw Clinton was the President at the time and did NOTHING) we wouldn't be in this position we're in now.

President Bush will take care of business when he is ready to and not a minute before. He has shown great restraint and resolve. He deserves to be respected and admired!