MY TAX MONEY

[GalvestonDuck]

The Lord said "be fruitful and multiply."

So, because we can't procreate, we shouldn't be allowed to marry?

What does that say about a man who is unable to get a woman pregnant or a woman who can't get pregnant? Because they can't "be fruitful and multiply," they shouldn't be allowed to marry either? What about those rare souls who are born with genitalia dysfunction or, even stranger, those who are born with both? And what does it say about the ones who love them? Are they not allowed to be happy with who they love?

And just why the hell can transsexuals get married if gays can't????? Did you know that if (I'm using these names for the sake of an example) Ben Affleck had surgery to become a woman (Jenn Affleck), he/she could then legally change his/her name to reflect his/her new identity as a woman. Then Jenn could marry Matt Damon legally and in a church. What sense does that make? They couldn't procreate either. And yet, there is absolutely nothing that says they can't marry, simply because the legally documented sex of one partner is "male" and of the other is "female." Thus, subscribing to the standard basis that marriage is between a man and a woman.

And transsexualism IS a choice! They are changing their bodies from how they were BORN to something they CHOOSE to be. It's not natural to me and I don't understand it. But that's just my opinion, based on what little I know about it.

(BTW, I wouldn't be surprised about Matt Damon and Ben Affleck [minus the surgery, of course] but that's just based on my first impression of them.)

[Lindaloo]

I highly doubt that Ben or Damon are gay.

tim meant no harm in his post. He based it on his opinion.

[Rainband]

I highly doubt that Ben or Damon are gay.

tim meant no harm in his post. He based it on his opinion.

I wouldn't..at least one of them anyway

[Rainband]

The Lord said "be fruitful and multiply."

Ok if we are quoting the bible. Didn't he also say something about not judging anyone. I find it funny when people quote the convenient parts of the bible and leave out the pertinent ones Not talking about anyone in particular just an observation.

[mf_dolphin]

He also said "Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar and unto God what is God's.." In other words, obey the laws of those in power on earth. Everyone will answer for their own actions when they meet God.

[Rainband]

He also said "Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar and unto God what is God's.." In other words, obey the laws of those in power on earth. Everyone will answer for their own actions when they meet God.

I know what that means marshall..... Um.. So when the chain of power(the administration) changes..then we should change what we believe and change the laws??? I break NO laws..Just the Law of Opinion. I am not a SHEEP and no matter what anyone says I will never be led or belong to a flock I will continue to state my opinion and wether it be right or wrong it will be heard. I am swayed by NO party or Majority... Some people don't agree with it..thats there right..as it is my right to Disagree with anyone elses opinion Like Shawn said...Someday...things will change and nobody can predict when.. Like I said we are the greatest country on earth. Someday we will stop looking for reasons to find difference in each other and just take each other for what we are inside. After all thats all that matters. There are so many things you can find in a person to dislike but only one thing that makes us all the same. We are all Human beings and we are all Gods Children and HE is the only one that should be allowed to judge us. He is the only one that I will allow to.

[mf_dolphin]

This "I'm being judged" cry is getting a little old. You are not being judged, in fact people have accepted you for what you are, a nice person. But everytime someone posts an opinion that you disagree with on the gay issue you pull the "I'm being judged". It's getting kind of like the race card.

As to Duck's last post. Transexuals can legally get married because they are legally the sex they've transformed into. However, most pastors won't marry them unless they lie or conceal the truth. I would bet my bottom dollar that it is no more accepted in our society than gay marriage.

[Rainband]

This "I'm being judged" cry is getting a little old. You are not being judged, in fact people have accepted you for what you are, a nice person. But everytime someone posts an opinion that you disagree with on the gay issue you pull the "I'm being judged". It's getting kind of like the race card.

As to Duck's last post. Transexuals can legally get married because they are legally the sex they've transformed into. However, most pastors won't marry them unless they lie or conceal the truth. I would bet my bottom dollar that it is no more accepted in our society than gay marriage.

I wasn't talking about me or Storm2k. I was talking about Gay people in general. Sorry If my opinion bothered you. I was debating.

[Rainband]

This "I'm being judged" cry is getting a little old. You are not being judged, in fact people have accepted you for what you are, a nice person. But everytime someone posts an opinion that you disagree with on the gay issue you pull the "I'm being judged". It's getting kind of like the race card.

As to Duck's last post. Transexuals can legally get married because they are legally the sex they've transformed into. However, most pastors won't marry them unless they lie or conceal the truth. I would bet my bottom dollar that it is no more accepted in our society than gay marriage.

I wasn't talking about me or Storm2k. I was talking about Gay people in general. Sorry If my opinion bothered you. I was debating.

But we aren't trying to be something we are not. They are.

[mf_dolphin]

My point is that you always bring the that issue during the debates on any gay issue. You're opinion doesn't bother me, I just disagree. As to the original topic of this thread, we all have our tax money used for things we don't like or support. That's just the way it is and will always be.

I do think it's ironic that you and duck take such a stand against transexuals. You both accept that you have feelings for a member of your own sex. At the same time you both seem not to accept that a person could be born with a female brain and a male body or the other way around. Why is that any more or less acceptable to you? Just curious...

[timNms]

Duck and Rainband,
Again, I wasn't trying to offend or be judgemental. The Bible says "be fruitful and multiply" and it also says "Judge not lest ye be judged". I think the judging should be left up to God. However, that doesn't mean that we can't disagree with each other.
Also, according to the Bible, God created Adam and then Eve to be his mate. It is, therefore, MY belief that God intended for man and woman to marry, not man and man nor woman and woman. But, that is MY opinion

[Rainband]

Duck and Rainband,
Again, I wasn't trying to offend or be judgemental. The Bible says "be fruitful and multiply" and it also says "Judge not lest ye be judged". I think the judging should be left up to God. However, that doesn't mean that we can't disagree with each other.
Also, according to the Bible, God created Adam and then Eve to be his mate. It is, therefore, MY belief that God intended for man and woman to marry, not man and man nor woman and woman. But, that is MY opinion

Excellent post We are all Gods children and I firmly believe as time passes we will continue to learn from each other

[Rainband]

My point is that you always bring the that issue during the debates on any gay issue. You're opinion doesn't bother me, I just disagree. As to the original topic of this thread, we all have our tax money used for things we don't like or support. That's just the way it is and will always be.

I do think it's ironic that you and duck take such a stand against transexuals. You both accept that you have feelings for a member of your own sex. At the same time you both seem not to accept that a person could be born with a female brain and a male body or the other way around. Why is that any more or less acceptable to you? Just curious...

I never said it was more or less acceptable. I just said they are trying to be something they are not. bSo your right I owe them an apology. Guess they are actually trying to be who they are. Just like me I just can't relate because I am not Transexual.

[timNms]

Rainband, I think you are right. We are all God's children. The thing about me.... I have things in my life that aren't right, so before I can judge anyone, my "sins" need to be forgiven first

[Rainband]

Rainband, I think you are right. We are all God's children. The thing about me.... I have things in my life that aren't right, so before I can judge anyone, my "sins" need to be forgiven first

I will pray for you. Hope everything works out. I have things like that in my life too. I think we all do. Who I am isn't one of them even though the majority thinks so

[Lindaloo]

Rainband...... you want us to relate about you being gay even though I have never been gay. I am not following you on that transexual issue about how you can't relate because you are not that way. tim offered his opinion and trying to relate and was slam dunked saying he was judging you. I am confused as heck on this.

[GalvestonDuck]

(Copying and pasting my reply to Tim's PM):

No offense taken at all.

You weren't rude, you didn't attack me personally, and you didn't use that F word or anything else similar. You offered one side of the argument and I offered another side. It's all cool. I hope I didn't come off harsh or something to make you think you might have offended me. I tend to be very stubborn and opinionated. Some of my friends here (in Galveston) call me a Republican Julia Sugarbaker (from "Designing Women," the chick who always went on long rants about stuff...but she was a Democrat).

I appreciate your concern though. And I appreciate your side of the argument. As long as there are people out there like you (and me ) speaking out against some of the really bizarre behavior that people exhibit (for example, I hate hearing about gay freaks in parks and adult bookstores), then those people will eventually fade away and possibly make room for those like me who live simple, non-promiscuous lives to be fully accepted by those like you.

Maybe.

As for transsexuals, like I said, I was giving my opinion based on what little I know about them and the fact that I don't understand it all yet. I said it was unnatural to me, because being and remaining female is what's natural to me. I can't imagine changing that. It's not really a matter or whether I accept transsexuality or not. You can tell a child that 2+2=4. But he won't accept it until he can comprehend it.

I just can't believe they can marry and no one talks about it, debates it, or tries to make laws for or against it.

[Anonymous]

Too bad all those "illegal aliens" contribute to our great economy. If they all left, this country would be in the crapper.

Last time I checked, I didn't see too many white people standing in line to orange-pickers. These poor illegal aliens risk their life coming to this country, get absolutely no benefits (though they finally will thanks to Bush), have despicable living conditions and get treated like dirt by "religous" Americans. It's sickening.

[timNms]

danwxman, you bring up a good point. I realize there are some people in this country illegally and they are milking the system for all they can get. However, there are many more non-US citizens who are here hoping to become citizens and hoping to live the American dream. They work hard. Some work harder than some of the sorry folks who were born and raised in the US. "I'm gonna get pregnant so I can get a welfare check"....burns my hiney to even think about it. My dad worked hard all of his life to provide for us when we were growing up. He was a carpenter. It never got too hot or too cold for him to go to work. After he died, my mom had no income for about a year. Thankfully, neighbors and church members saw to it that she had everything she needed. But when she tried to apply for help she was told "Well, you own your land, your house and a pick up truck. You own too much. We can't help you unless you sell some of those things." That is BS! I mean, what's the point of trying to have something or be somebody if there were to come a tiem when you needed help and couldn't get it because you busted your tail and now you "Own too much"...
Ok, rant over. Stepping down from my high horse.

Man, my wife has GOT to stop snoring so I can get some sleep at night!!! Been up ALL night. (can you tell?)

[blizzard]

Too bad all those "illegal aliens" contribute to our great economy. If they all left, this country would be in the crapper.

Last time I checked, I didn't see too many white people standing in line to orange-pickers. These poor illegal aliens risk their life coming to this country, get absolutely no benefits (though they finally will thanks to Bush), have despicable living conditions and get treated like dirt by "religous" Americans. It's sickening.

Well, there would be more of those"white" people standing in line for those jobs if they paid at least minimum wage now wouldn't there. But since they have the illegals to work for them, they can get away with paying them substandard wages and line their pockets a little more. All without paying taxes on the wages. And as for benefits, they do not deserve them if they are here illegally. If they want to live here and work and get benefits. There are a few requirements IMO.
1. Speak English***
2. File for a work Visa
3. Apply for a legal job
This will lead to getting an honest job, for minimum wage, and possible benefits.

The more illegals we support, the less of our own citizens can get assistance when they really need it. I have nothing at all against immigration into this country, as long as it is done in the correct manner, and does not make any of our citizens suffer because of it.

And as for our Country being in the "crapper" if they were not here. That statement belongs in the crapper. How do you figure they contribute to our economy?? First of all, they pay no taxes, becasue they are paid less than minimum wage, and if their employer reported their income, they would be in big trouble. Second, most of theswe illegals either cross the borders daily to work and bring their money back accross the border to spend it, or they send it back to their families. So the moneyt they are getting is going to another countries economy, not ours. I have seen both of these scenarios first hand.