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#21 Postby Stephanie » Tue May 13, 2003 4:17 pm

ticka1 wrote:My thoughts are punish the parents that supplied alcohol to the kids and the kids need to be accountable for their actions - as my dad always said - you play - you gonna pay. They need to pay criminally and monetaryily. "J" - as a parent you can only do so much - then a person has to be held accountable for their own actions - no one's fault but their own. Some kids learn this fast and early in their adult lifes and then some take a lot longer with alot more struggles.


I agree!

There are plenty of good parents out there that are trying their best to teach their children right from wrong just like the parents that have posted on this thread. It is alot tougher for a parent, teenager and teacher now a days than when we were in high school because of what is available. However anyone who does something criminal needs to be punished and be held accountable for their actions. Unfortunately, with the way the court system is right now, we made it so easy to blame other people for our own stupidity and get away with it. This is another area besides welfare, health insurance, etc. that needs a major overhaul!!!
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#22 Postby Rainband » Tue May 13, 2003 4:19 pm

How doesn't that make them prejudice??? :roll: :roll: I wasn't trying to say "j" felt that way he was just taking a bit from the article..I thought :o
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#23 Postby Lindaloo » Tue May 13, 2003 4:25 pm

Why do you think it is prejudice just because someone does not believe in something? I know many African Americans that do not believe in interracial dating but love thy neighbor regardless of the color of the skin. I have a good friend who tells me all the time "White men do not impress me at all" "I would NEVER date a white man" Does this make her prejudice? Indeed not. I respect her decisions.
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#24 Postby Stephanie » Tue May 13, 2003 4:27 pm

Rainband wrote:How doesn't that make them prejudice??? :roll: :roll: I wasn't trying to say "j" felt that way he was just taking a bit from the article..I thought :o


That was a quote from j - I don't believe that was in the article.

I don't necessarily think that people that don't accept interracial relationships are prejudice, but as far as I'm concerned, it is their lives, their feelings that only matter - no one else's.
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#25 Postby mf_dolphin » Tue May 13, 2003 4:36 pm

Being against interacial marriage is not prejudice in my book. Does that mean if one of my daughters married outside of my race would I disown her? Of course not, I just believe that people should stay within their race. Marriage is tough enough as it is.

As far as the hoodlums in this incident, they need and should be held legally responsible for their actions. The same goes for those who supplied the alcohol and those that turned a blind eye to what had been happening for years!

As far as today's youth I don't think we're giving them enough credit. Sure there's a lot of pressure but they are also much better informed than we were when we were growing up. Sex, Drugs, weapons were all readily available when I was in high school in the 70's. And yes J, there was sex even on church youth trips. The best a parent can do is provide a basis for their childrens decision making ability and be there when they fall down. They have to fall sooner or later and they need to know their parents will be there for them when it happens. Part of growing up is making bad decisions and learning to deal with the consequences. Hopefully you live through your worst ones.
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#26 Postby Rainband » Tue May 13, 2003 4:47 pm

Lindaloo wrote:Why do you think it is prejudice just because someone does not believe in something? I know many African Americans that do not believe in interracial dating but love thy neighbor regardless of the color of the skin. I have a good friend who tells me all the time "White men do not impress me at all" "I would NEVER date a white man" Does this make her prejudice? Indeed not. I respect her decisions.
I guess that makes sense but most of what I have seen is alot of people against the relationship because of race..there are exceptions though :wink:
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#27 Postby ColdFront77 » Tue May 13, 2003 5:03 pm

It seems that if an Italian-American male marries an Irish-American female is different than if an Angola-American male marries a French-American female.

I heard that children from two different parents nationalities that the chances of getting a disease are less likely.
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#28 Postby Stephanie » Tue May 13, 2003 6:58 pm

Rainband wrote:
Lindaloo wrote:Why do you think it is prejudice just because someone does not believe in something? I know many African Americans that do not believe in interracial dating but love thy neighbor regardless of the color of the skin. I have a good friend who tells me all the time "White men do not impress me at all" "I would NEVER date a white man" Does this make her prejudice? Indeed not. I respect her decisions.
I guess that makes sense but most of what I have seen is alot of people against the relationship because of race..there are exceptions though :wink:


I think that it's still an issue of acceptance of interracial marriages. They are becoming more prevalent (sp?) in our society and over time I believe that they will become more acceptable. Again, as long as they are happy, then that's all that should matter. I respect, however, people's feelings about interracial marriages.
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#29 Postby ColdFront77 » Tue May 13, 2003 8:05 pm

I agree with your 100%, Stephanie.
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#30 Postby j » Wed May 14, 2003 8:32 am

.....thinking carefully here, because I truly do not want to send the wrong message.

First of all..I AM DEAD set against interracial dating and marriages but I do NOT consider myself a racist. I have had black friends, good friends in fact. I think in todays world, to have a white/black frienship, a certain amount of lighthearted humor is needed about the obvious differences in the way blacks and whites live their lives. HOWEVER....due to what I have witnessed, and the knowledgebase I have accumulated personally, I am dead set against interracial dating. I am going to make some statements, and they will sound full of hate and prejudice, but they are what I have witnessed and they are the basis for MY believes.

THere is a LARGE element of the black youth (and I know...whites to a degree also), that look at personal/sexual relationships in an entirely different manner than what I believe to be morally decent. Take a walk through any mall and you will see a large contingent of black men with white girls. This is not a racist statement...this is FACT. Now observe how many white men with black girls? Not many are there? Now ...if you listen carefully you may be surprised at how the white girls are treated. It is not at all uncommon to hear them referred to as "bitches", hoes, or whatever degrading term they so choose to use. I guess I should clarify here, that the "type" of black person (and to a degree some white kids) I'm referring to, talks like this ALL the time, so its really not a shock to hear them talking to their "girlfriends" like this. But it DOES disgust me. Watch some of the Gangsta Rap videos and its a no-brainer to understand why this type of behavior is 2nd nature to a lot of them. More and more white girls, now see it as "cool", or "hip" to be with a black guy of this type, and they are more than willing to sacrifice any moral backbone they may have had, to be just like their idols. They will often brag to their friends about the sexual prowness of their lovers, and often crusade to bring their friends into the interracial "dating" culture. I'm not making this up, and its not Racist...I have witnessed it and unfortunately have lived it.

Secondly...and more importantly is what about the children??? Whether they like it or not, the children of interracial marriages are brought into this world at an instant disadvantage. I think it is totally selfish to think that a child will not suffer the consequences of your decision to make babies together. Right or wrong, the child will grow up having to deal with problems that go with it. He/she did not have a choice.

So.....hence my "inclusion" of interracial dating as ONE of the many things wrong with todays youth culture.

I'm going on break now, having coffee with Jimmy, a very large extrememly pleasant black man. :)
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#31 Postby JQ Public » Wed May 14, 2003 1:19 pm

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j wrote:Somewhere around 17 or 18, unless by some miracle from above, your children begin to experiment. They have been living one way, but everything around them says it’s really not like this. Tattoo’s, body piercings, group sex, Bi-Sex, interracial sex, all night clubs, raves, drugs... you name it...its available, AND promoted by the Music Industry and the Movie Industry. All this awaits your church attending, morally respectful child, outside the cozy confines of your home.

I know...sounds like all doom and gloom, but there is a bright note. Out of control child #1, now a mother herself, looks back on her last few years and wonders how she could have done what she did. She is becoming a very respectful, morally uplifting person, just like the type we thought we were raising. Praise be to God!
Prejudice comments like that are why people will always be blinded by hate!!!! I don't know about you but I don't judge people by their color!!!! Race religion..etc..etc...... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: What kind of morals are you teaching?? If you teach a child to judge someone by the color..to me thats just plain ignorant..JMHO


Great comment Johnathon. I was gonna make a comment about that as well, but i am glad you did it first :) Maybe the problem isn't with the out of control teens afterall???? They say things like this and then don't understand it when others hate them :roll:

"Those who realize the Self are always satisfied. Having found the source of joy and fulfillment they no longer seek happiness from the external world. They have nothing to gain or lose by any action; neither people nor things can affect their security."
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#32 Postby j » Wed May 14, 2003 1:49 pm

JQ....with all due respect, until you have raised a child or two of your own, you really have no idea what it is like. You may not like me, and that's fine, I don't have a problem with that. But I've lived long enough, and have enough life experiance to recognize that the mere mention of "interracial", already had you up on your toes and defensive. It's as though that was all you "saw". I'm sorry buddy, but there was a lot more to that post than "race".
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#33 Postby j » Wed May 14, 2003 2:06 pm

btw JQ...nice editing job there. You are one slick dude
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#34 Postby Stephanie » Wed May 14, 2003 3:05 pm

In a way j, what JQ saw is exactly what you see with interracial relationships - black and white.
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#35 Postby Rainband » Wed May 14, 2003 3:56 pm

Wouldn't it be cool if we could refer to people as people and not black or white youths or adults????? :o :o :o :o :wink: :wink: Just a thought :idea:
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#36 Postby Lindaloo » Wed May 14, 2003 4:19 pm

Well then he is blind Steph! Interracial is just what it means. Can't blame one for not believing in it. There are plenty who do not.

BEFORE JQ edited he said "Why Americans are hated" and before I could reply he deleted it. I just want to know why he thinks "Americans are so hated?" And what he meant by it.

Rainband... we have come a long way and eventually we will all be color blind. :wink:
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#37 Postby Stephanie » Wed May 14, 2003 6:53 pm

Well, actually, if you look in the news, it is reported almost daily that Americans are hated - for our wealth, ideals, freedoms etc.

Obviously JQ thought twice about what he had originally posted and figured that he should delete it. We should all think about doing that at times ourselves (myself included).
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#38 Postby Rainband » Wed May 14, 2003 7:16 pm

Lindaloo wrote:Rainband... we have come a long way and eventually we will all be color blind. :wink:
I hope so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :wink: :wink:
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#39 Postby Lindaloo » Wed May 14, 2003 7:56 pm

Stephanie wrote:Well, actually, if you look in the news, it is reported almost daily that Americans are hated - for our wealth, ideals, freedoms etc.

Obviously JQ thought twice about what he had originally posted and figured that he should delete it. We should all think about doing that at times ourselves (myself included).


That is not the way he put it Steph nor did he mean about why people abroad hate Americans. But that is fine and dandy... I understood what he meant.
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#40 Postby JQ Public » Wed May 14, 2003 9:25 pm

Yes at first i did say that. And if you think everyone abroad loves america...you ARE blind. I took it out b/c I didn't really want to open up a whole other can of worms. I love america, if you wanted to know J...unless you "assumed" that i didn't from what i said and then deleted. The way i originally put it was..."They say things like this and then don't understand it when others hate america(americans can't remember which i put). I would not have brought up the whole subject if johnathon didn't. I really didn't feel like being ganged up on.

I just didn't know there was a part in the bible about Tattoo’s, body piercings, all night raves etc. Like you said kids need to experience things for themselves. I mean how else would you have learned the right way to live unless you didn't experience (not necessarily take part in) the bad...you didn't just blindly follow the book? Most christians i know are past the whole "i'm better than you b/c you have a tan and squinty eyes" ideology.

I don't hate you j...it takes a lot more than that for me to hate someone. Actually i respect you for being so strong in your beliefs even if i don't agree with them. Do you hate me??
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