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#21 Postby chadtm80 » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:13 pm

but I happen to have a firm belief that when you are in the public spotlight and an elected official, you have a responsibilty to hold true to the proclaimed values and morals that you say you represent. We are talking about the PRESIDENT and his wife for gosh sakes! They DO have responsibilty to the American people! I understand that politicians lie and that is a given, but I ask you, why do we find it so forgivable?? These are the people we give the power to! Yet we complain when our country is in dire straights? How dare we complain when we accept lies, (under OATH!!) adultry,immoral and unethical actions?
My 2 cents!

Couldnt agree more!! They represent every American.. They have a MORAL duty
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#22 Postby GulfBreezer » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:16 pm

AND...........she got an 8 million dollar advance on this book!!! This country, while I would never choose to live anywhere else, has some serious problems.
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#23 Postby Lindaloo » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:18 pm

GulfBreezer wrote:AND...........she got an 8 million dollar advance on this book!!! This country, while I would never choose to live anywhere else, has some serious problems.



I agree!! :wink:
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#24 Postby wx247 » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:19 pm

GulfBreezer... I understand exactly what you mean. My issue is this: if they have done something punishable by law then they would/should be doing time. However, while I think Hillary is a liar my point is there is stuff more newsworthy than her new book (and a spotted owl) !
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more on hillary

#25 Postby rainstorm » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:20 pm

By R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr.



Frankly, when I heard Hillary Rodham Clinton had signed a deal to write a book for $8 million I doubted she would write a word of it. For one thing, whenever Hillary testifies she lies. Any prosecutor who has ever pursued her knows that, and any publisher willing to fork out $8 million for a book wants it to be at least plausible. For another thing, when she published her last book, "It Takes a Village," she did not write the book — and, of course, lied about that. She claimed the mawkish little monograph was from her pen and her pen only, when actually it was written by Barbara Feinman.
Everyone suspected Hillary had lied about writing the book. It was simply too free of lies for it to be her work. Angered by Hillary's insistence that she alone had written the book, Miss Feinman leaked the news that Hillary held seances with Eleanor Roosevelt. Naturally, Hillary then lied about that too.
With this new book, "Living History," an account of her life in the White House during the late scandals, again there is speculation that others did the writing. I have yet to read the book, so I do not know if it contains a sufficient number of lies to sustain her claim of authorship. From what I have read, I do believe she wrote at least some of the book. Apparently in "Living History" she claims that from January 1998 to August 1998 she believed her husband's claim he had not had sex with the White House intern, Monica Lewinsky. That is a sufficiently implausible lie to conclude it is a genuine effort by Hillary.
Miss Lewinsky's relationship was precisely the kind of relationship Bill Clinton had been having for years, right down to the trademark Clinton biblical exegesis about oral sex not being adultery. Just four years before the revelations about Monica, the Arkansas state troopers in the pages of the American Spectator described assignations between Mr. Clinton and women, some of them government employees, that involved precisely the same sex acts Monica revealed. Moreover, those of us familiar with the Clintons know that through all her years in Arkansas Mrs. Clinton had been engaged in propitiating the victims of her husband's active libido. Surely when the story came out of the White House intern servicing her husband Hillary knew it was true.
Hillary probably also wrote the lines she claims to have uttered on Aug. 15, 1998, after Bill told her in the White House that he had been lying about his blameless relationship with Miss Lewinsky and that there had been intimacy. "I could hardly breathe. Gulping for air, I started crying and yelling at him. ..." That sounds like Hillary to me, particularly the yelling.
In fact, the very nature of this lie is pure Hillary. Hillary and, for that matter, Bill, lie when there is no reason to lie. Who would blame her, if she were now to write that, yes, when the Lewinsky story broke she began to suspect it was true? Or, for that matter, why could she not now maintain a decorous silence about the whole embarrassing matter? No one would blame her for not bringing it up again. The country was supposed to move on, she told us. The country has, but here Hillary is again lying when she does not have to. And the lies keep coming.
According to the Associated Press report on the book, Hillary claims that during the six months when her husband was lying to her, to his staff and to the nation about Monica, "For me, the Lewinsky imbroglio seemed like just another vicious scandal manufactured by political opponents." There were no "vicious scandals manufactured by political opponents." Or at least there were very few.
Most of the scandals were acts Bill and Hillary actually committed. They did not need "political opponents" to "manufacture" them. All that was needed was a free press to report them and federal prosecutors to pursue them. In the end, Mr. Clinton paid fines, gave up his license to practice law, and agreed to a huge financial settlement with Paula Corbin Jones. I have always thought other women such as the reportedly abused Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broaddrick, who said she was raped, deserved settlements too.
As for Hillary, Independent counsel Robert W. Ray, in his last report on the Clintons, asserted that though there was not sufficient evidence to prosecute she had given factually inaccurate testimony and Whitewater involved criminal activity. Well, that is what we have come to expect from her: dishonesty. She is now the most popular Democrat in the country.
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#26 Postby Lindaloo » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:21 pm

wx... well he should have done some time and made history with that too. He got off too easy. And Hillary was not the poor wife that she claimed to be either. She is a wolf in sheeps clothing. IMO.
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i think this is great

#27 Postby rainstorm » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:24 pm

wx247 wrote:GulfBreezer... I understand exactly what you mean. My issue is this: if they have done something punishable by law then they would/should be doing time. However, while I think Hillary is a liar my point is there is stuff more newsworthy than her new book (and a spotted owl) !


20 years ago when liberals dominated the news hillary would never have been challenged. she would have done a bunch of "fluff" interveiws with willing press accomplises like barbara walters and that would be it. now, with the internet, fox news, and washington times, those days are long past.
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#28 Postby wx247 » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:26 pm

I am not saying she is!!! But obviously someone has faith in her... she was elected into the Senate and even members of the GOP (including commentator Pat Buchanan) have said she has been a good Senator.
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Re: i think this is great

#29 Postby Lindaloo » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:26 pm

rainstorm wrote:
wx247 wrote:GulfBreezer... I understand exactly what you mean. My issue is this: if they have done something punishable by law then they would/should be doing time. However, while I think Hillary is a liar my point is there is stuff more newsworthy than her new book (and a spotted owl) !


20 years ago when liberals dominated the news hillary would never have been challenged. she would have done a bunch of "fluff" interveiws with willing press accomplises like barbara walters and that would be it. now, with the internet, fox news, and washington times, those days are long past.


High five to Helen. You go girl!! :lol:
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#30 Postby wx247 » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:28 pm

And I am glad there are places to challenge ideas like Fox, etc., I just am not sure what the issue is here... besides the fact that Hillary says she believed Bill until the day before he tesitified, which is obviously not true.
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#31 Postby wx247 » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:30 pm

It is obvious we have differences of opinion. I just think we should be spending more time on the current administration than the Clinton's.
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#32 Postby wx247 » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:31 pm

By the way... as long as the media is focusing on Hillary that gives them less time to focus on Bush and that will only increase her celebrity status, no matter how bad some think she is.
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#33 Postby vbhoutex » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:31 pm

bfez1 wrote:Who cares? No one is perfect. Everyone is so quick to want to point out someone elses flaws. We all have skeletons in our closet. Don't we???
I'm not buying her book anyway.
P.S. Everyone's looking for the perfect person, pls. let me know when you find him or her. I want to meet them.



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#34 Postby wx247 » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:32 pm

LOL Vb!
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i feel hillary is the most dangerous person

#35 Postby rainstorm » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:41 pm

wx247 wrote:And I am glad there are places to challenge ideas like Fox, etc., I just am not sure what the issue is here... besides the fact that Hillary says she believed Bill until the day before he tesitified, which is obviously not true.


in the united states to personal freedom and liberty. i feel her every thought, lie, obfuscation and waking moment is designed to gain power. that is why she put up with bills numerous sexual adventures.
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Re: i feel hillary is the most dangerous person

#36 Postby wx247 » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:43 pm

rainstorm wrote:
wx247 wrote:And I am glad there are places to challenge ideas like Fox, etc., I just am not sure what the issue is here... besides the fact that Hillary says she believed Bill until the day before he tesitified, which is obviously not true.


in the united states to personal freedom and liberty. i feel her every thought, lie, obfuscation and waking moment is designed to gain power. that is why she put up with bills numerous sexual adventures.


I don't disagree with what you are saying, just not sure how newsworthy that is. I just assume it is common knowledge. I guess the average joe isn't a smart as all of us here at Storm2K. :)
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why do you think hillary and bill continue

#37 Postby rainstorm » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:47 pm

wx247 wrote:By the way... as long as the media is focusing on Hillary that gives them less time to focus on Bush and that will only increase her celebrity status, no matter how bad some think she is.


to hog the headlines? why do you think her book was timed to come out now? bill and hillary have some kind of total hold on the democrt party. hillary and bill want to keep attention from the democrat candidates for 2004. they want them to lose. if a democrat wins in 2004 that eliminates hillary's candidacy in 2008. by the time 2012 gets here, she will be a has-been. the democrat party faces a dosastrous defeat in 2004 unless they can dump bill and terry macauliffe and find their own identity. ppersonally, i like bill and hillary always being in the headlines.
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#38 Postby j » Fri Jun 06, 2003 1:01 pm

GulfBreezer wrote:I guess there are many people who are in the mind-set of "let sleeping dogs lie" and "every body lies" but I happen to have a firm belief that when you are in the public spotlight and an elected official, you have a responsibilty to hold true to the proclaimed values and morals that you say you represent. We are talking about the PRESIDENT and his wife for gosh sakes! They DO have responsibilty to the American people! I understand that politicians lie and that is a given, but I ask you, why do we find it so forgivable?? These are the people we give the power to! Yet we complain when our country is in dire straights? How dare we complain when we accept lies, (under OATH!!) adultry,immoral and unethical actions?
My 2 cents!


That is worth at least 5 cents!!!
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#39 Postby Stephanie » Fri Jun 06, 2003 1:07 pm

vbhoutex wrote:
bfez1 wrote:Who cares? No one is perfect. Everyone is so quick to want to point out someone elses flaws. We all have skeletons in our closet. Don't we???
I'm not buying her book anyway.
P.S. Everyone's looking for the perfect person, pls. let me know when you find him or her. I want to meet them.



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Yes it was! :lol:
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#40 Postby Stephanie » Fri Jun 06, 2003 1:10 pm

Lindaloo wrote:Steph... Clinton was NOT an ordinary liar and cheater. He was the President of the United States and chose to lie under oath before a grand jury. Comparing him to the normal John Doe should not be the case here. He should have done the right thing and told the truth. The normal adulterer is not the President.


You're right - he's also a human being too. He had higher standards that he should've lived up to but noone that gets elected into that position are suddenly infallable.
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