Carroll was forced to make propaganda tape

[x-y-no]

she said she was fed well, and she certainly ate well. we can all agree that statement wasnt made under duress

Why on Earth would we "all agree" about that?

She wasn't back in American hands yet. She had no way of knowing if the Iraqis in that office were affiliated with her captors or not. She'd just been held prisoner for three months - albeit not with sufficient visible signs of deprivation and mistreatment to satisfy you.

Why on Earth wouldn't she still be under duress, at least in her mind?

[rainstorm]

its simple. she gained weight. she should look like a concentration camp prisoner. also, if she was indeed suffering from "stockholm syndrome", as some sugest, why at the very end would they need to put guns to her head to force her to say what she said? its just my opinion that she has always believed what she said and she realized how bad it sounds after she was released that she had to say it was forced.

i am trying to find any stories she wrote before her captivity, but ccant find any

[Janice]

Why wouldn't they feed her. Why wouldn't she gain weight. If you ate three months and did not get out to exercise, walk, etc. you would gain weight too. People who are bored, eat and gain weight. I am sure she lived every day for three months in fear that they would open every door and maybe come in, shoot at any point. I would have been bawling for three months. She has nothing to prove to anyone. She is a hero just for giving up her life in her country to help those less fortunate than her. She love the Iraqi people and I wish I could give that much. She is a lucky woman who will never stop giving, only move to a different place, I am sure. I don't think McCain is alone one bit. I think all of Americal and the whole US government is proud of her service. The poor American solder, female, that our men had to go capture out of the hospital with broken legs, said she lived in fear every minute that she would die. A person goes in shock under these circumstances and it takes months to realize you are finally safe.

[rainstorm]

i did find this form here:

"The state-run, state-sanctioned Jordan Times spews the official position of the country's Hashemite King Abdullah. And apparently, the official position of the Kingdom is that if you are an American citizen who supports American policy in the Middle East, and you are kidnapped by insurgents, you are the "right target." You deserved it and should be beheaded.

But if you oppose U.S. policy in the Mid-East, LIKE JILL CARROLL DOES, then you are the "wrong target." Check out The Jordan Times Sunday "editorial" on the Christian Science Monitor free-lancer:

The kidnappers who abducted her could not have chosen a more wrong target. True, Jill is a US citizen. But she is also more critical of US policies towards the Middle East than many Arabs. . . . Jill has been from day one opposed to the war, to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. "

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives ... ordan.html

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its simple. she gained weight

Well that just proves everything beyond a shadow of a doubt, doesn't it?


I'm going to tell you a little story, and then I'm going to end my participation in this thread while I'm still capable of being civil to you:


A little over 15 years ago, I had a friend - let's call him "Jim" - who worked for a major technology company. (We still correspond once in a rare while, but are not close anymore). Jim was doing some advance work in Peru and took a side trip up into the mountains. On the road, he was captured by the Sendero Luminoso.

Now Shining Path didn't care much about getting propaganda statements made by their captives, for them kidnapping was just a handy fundraising mechanism. So they didn't force him to make a video - but if he had I wouldn't blame him for doing it.

To make a long story short - after a little less than two months of negotiation, Jim's employer paid the ransom and he was released. I saw him about a week later, and here's the kicker - he'd gained wieght, and he had no major injuries.

Now I hasten to point out that Jim was rather on the conservative side - certainly no sypathizer to radical maoists. So in my not-so-humble opinion, your evidence against this woman is a crock of you-know-what.

[george_r_1961]

i did find this form here:

"The state-run, state-sanctioned Jordan Times spews the official position of the country's Hashemite King Abdullah. And apparently, the official position of the Kingdom is that if you are an American citizen who supports American policy in the Middle East, and you are kidnapped by insurgents, you are the "right target." You deserved it and should be beheaded.

But if you oppose U.S. policy in the Mid-East, LIKE JILL CARROLL DOES, then you are the "wrong target." Check out The Jordan Times Sunday "editorial" on the Christian Science Monitor free-lancer:

The kidnappers who abducted her could not have chosen a more wrong target. True, Jill is a US citizen. But she is also more critical of US policies towards the Middle East than many Arabs. . . . Jill has been from day one opposed to the war, to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. "

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives ... ordan.html

Last time I looked this is a free country. Her being opposed to US policy in the Middle East is her right. Im not with her on this but as a US citizen she has every right to criticize the government (within the law of course) Also remember the thousands of men and women who fought and died for your rights. Im sure many of them opposed some policies but nevertheless laid down their lives to keep this country free.

[x-y-no]

i did find this form here:

Well, I guess that to some, the frothings of some rabid right-wing blog about what some Arab newspaper editorial writer wrote about her abduction is mighty compelling evidence that she's an evil terrorist lover ...

[Stephanie]

okay, time to lock this one...