BREAKING NEWS: Al-Zarqawi dead
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Good news. This will certainly have a major impact on the effectiveness of his organization (al Qaeda in Iraq) especially since he was apparently a very strong, charismatic leader. Also, hopefully some of the others killed were high up in the organization as well.
Don't think it changes the strategic situation in Iraq too much, though. That still depends on getting a truly independently functioning Iraqi military and on the Iraqis finding a way to reconcile their sectarian differences and developing a government with fair levels of participation for all groups.
Maybe this will buy some small respite in the violence for that to happen ... let's hope so at least.
Don't think it changes the strategic situation in Iraq too much, though. That still depends on getting a truly independently functioning Iraqi military and on the Iraqis finding a way to reconcile their sectarian differences and developing a government with fair levels of participation for all groups.
Maybe this will buy some small respite in the violence for that to happen ... let's hope so at least.
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Janice wrote:What a wonderful way to wake up in the morning. Now let's go get the other, you know what.... God bless those who killed him.....
I don't think a person who killed another person even if that person is evil should be blessed. Even though there are terrible people in this world a kill is a kill. God said,"Thou shall not kill", and there is no exception to that law at all.
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Hurricane Hunter 914 wrote:Janice wrote:What a wonderful way to wake up in the morning. Now let's go get the other, you know what.... God bless those who killed him.....
I don't think a person who killed another person even if that person is evil should be blessed. Even though there are terrible people in this world a kill is a kill. God said,"Thou shall not kill", and there is no exception to that law at all.
For the sake of this thread I'll be quite....
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On the other hand, this is interesting: From Andrew Sullivan:
It remains to be seen, of course, what effect the killing of Zarqawi will mean for the future of Iraq. The insurgency, alas, is more than him; but he was a critical, central part of the Jihadist element that has wrought some of the most appalling violence. This then cannot be a bad thing on the ground. And it is a simply transformative moment in terms of morale. This man has murdered and tortured and ravaged his way through the Middle East, most devastatingly in Iraq where his campaign of savagery and mayhem has helped undermine the extremely fragile underpinnings of a future normal society. In a culture where strength is respected, his resilience helped sustain the morale of the nihilist, Jihadist and Sunni insurgencies. If Maliki can use the momentum of this victory against evil to fill the last key security posts in his cabinet, then perhaps we can begin to reverse the hideous slide toward anarchy we have been witnessing.
These are still hopes. But sometimes wars are won by hope, even in the darkest of times. As I wrote a few months back, "the certainty of some today that we have failed is as dubious as the callow triumphalism of yesterday. War is always, in the end, a matter of flexibility and will. And sometimes the darkest days are inevitable - even necessary - before the sky ultimately clears."
The temptation to despair, especially given the ineptness of the administration's policies, has been great lately. Now it lifts a little, as one source of enormous evil is finally removed. It will be a particular boost to the coalition troops, whose endurance in an unimaginably tense and brutalizing mission is humbling to watch. The only response to this, as it was when Saddam was captured, is joy. As the Israelis say: Know hope.
It remains to be seen, of course, what effect the killing of Zarqawi will mean for the future of Iraq. The insurgency, alas, is more than him; but he was a critical, central part of the Jihadist element that has wrought some of the most appalling violence. This then cannot be a bad thing on the ground. And it is a simply transformative moment in terms of morale. This man has murdered and tortured and ravaged his way through the Middle East, most devastatingly in Iraq where his campaign of savagery and mayhem has helped undermine the extremely fragile underpinnings of a future normal society. In a culture where strength is respected, his resilience helped sustain the morale of the nihilist, Jihadist and Sunni insurgencies. If Maliki can use the momentum of this victory against evil to fill the last key security posts in his cabinet, then perhaps we can begin to reverse the hideous slide toward anarchy we have been witnessing.
These are still hopes. But sometimes wars are won by hope, even in the darkest of times. As I wrote a few months back, "the certainty of some today that we have failed is as dubious as the callow triumphalism of yesterday. War is always, in the end, a matter of flexibility and will. And sometimes the darkest days are inevitable - even necessary - before the sky ultimately clears."
The temptation to despair, especially given the ineptness of the administration's policies, has been great lately. Now it lifts a little, as one source of enormous evil is finally removed. It will be a particular boost to the coalition troops, whose endurance in an unimaginably tense and brutalizing mission is humbling to watch. The only response to this, as it was when Saddam was captured, is joy. As the Israelis say: Know hope.
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Hurricane Hunter 914 wrote:Janice wrote:What a wonderful way to wake up in the morning. Now let's go get the other, you know what.... God bless those who killed him.....
I don't think a person who killed another person even if that person is evil should be blessed. Even though there are terrible people in this world a kill is a kill. God said,"Thou shall not kill", and there is no exception to that law at all.
I believe we're not supposed to kill the innocent. Self-defense and preservation of life is a whole different matter.
Heck, even the Muslims teach that "....anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people." (Quran 5:32) So, in the case of killing al-Zarqawi who has killed a number of people himself, it is not "murder."
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But I was also taught that "You should love your enemy". Isn't Al-Zarqawi an enemy?
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Hurricane Hunter 914 wrote:Janice wrote:What a wonderful way to wake up in the morning. Now let's go get the other, you know what.... God bless those who killed him.....
I don't think a person who killed another person even if that person is evil should be blessed. Even though there are terrible people in this world a kill is a kill. God said,"Thou shall not kill", and there is no exception to that law at all.
This thread is going downhill.
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Well he did deserve to die. I'm just not used to people getting killed. With all these killings on the news along with the death of this man I just don't feel like it is a thing to celebrate. We should just say he's dead and go on with our lives.
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