Israel vs Hezbollah Thread #3

[feederband]

I was just watching ABC news. Why would Israel Target a convoy of ambulances that are clearly marked with red crosses on the roof?? Sorry but they are no better than hezbola for doing this. Sad.

i feel its time to side squarely with israel. i look at it like this. if the muslim butchers announced today they were laying down their arms and wanted to live in peace with israel, the violence would end. israel would embrace them in peace.

however, if israel announced today it would no longer defend itself and layed down its weapons the jews in israel would be slaughtered.

israel seeks peace, the butchers dont. thats how i see it.

Now, that is about ret*****. People need to cope with one another and not fly off the friggin handle.

Are you pro-terrorist or just mis- understanding the whole concept of whats going on over there.?

who are you talking to??

LOL NBC

[rainstorm]

I was just watching ABC news. Why would Israel Target a convoy of ambulances that are clearly marked with red crosses on the roof?? Sorry but they are no better than hezbola for doing this. Sad.

i feel its time to side squarely with israel. i look at it like this. if the muslim butchers announced today they were laying down their arms and wanted to live in peace with israel, the violence would end. israel would embrace them in peace.

however, if israel announced today it would no longer defend itself and layed down its weapons the jews in israel would be slaughtered.

israel seeks peace, the butchers dont. thats how i see it.

And what about all of the Christians in Lebanon...? They are being killed as well.

lots of christians were fried into the asphalt when we bombed german cities. im sorry, but this is a war against islamo-facism and it wont be won with words or diplomacy. by the way, the un has been in lebanon since 1979 and failed to enforce another resolution, which stated hezbollah should be disarmed. people get killed in wars, mainly because the aggressors were appeased to begin with. i side with israel because there is no other side to side with. the muslim butchers want me dead. the muslim butchers televise beheadings, the muslim butchers brutally torture people, including our soldiers. the muslim butchers taks school kids off buses and deliberately blow out their brains(muslim kids, by the way). the israelis are better than them. its just that simple

[Derek Ortt]

I've said it before, people are supposed to die in war. That is one of the main objectives of war. Kill your enemy so that they cannot fight

[rainstorm]

let me be more blunt. where there is terrorism around the world, you wont find jews or israelis as the cause.

again, i side with israel, because any civilizsed person would

[Derek Ortt]

of course we back Israel here

They are fighting the same enemy that we are fighting (also the same enemy that Russia is fighting). Islamic thugs seeking to reign terror

[rainstorm]

just look at the butchery going on in african nations. guess what? its islamic based.

to me, its a no-brainer who any rational person would support
the england bombings? muslim
spain? muslim
bali? muslim
9/11? muslim
the list is endless

hitlerian naziism is growing, and its not israel i fear

[NBCintern]

I've said it before, people are supposed to die in war. That is one of the main objectives of war. Kill your enemy so that they cannot fight

Umm, knock, knock. The essence of war is to serve a political end. The means in getting their is to defeat your foe with power. Kiling is one of the objectives, but not the main objective. The main objective is to serve a political end.

[nystate]

just look at the butchery going on in african nations. guess what? its islamic based.

to me, its a no-brainer who any rational person would support
the england bombings? muslim
spain? muslim
bali? muslim
9/11? muslim
the list is endless

hitlerian naziism is growing, and its not israel i fear

Oklahoma City? Atlanta Olympics bombing? Abortion clinic bombings and sniper incidents? Were Muslims behind those as well?

I agree that terrorism needs to be dealt with, but that doesn't give a nation a carte blanche to target civilians. The IRA got support from people in the USA to help it out with its terrorist activities. Does that give the British the authority to level Boston?

Let me be realistic, I also support Israel. But I don't believe any nation has the right to target civilians. I don't believe Israel is targetting civilians, but I find the utter lack of care for human life exhibited by many on this board frightning. The idea that someone is expendable because they are Muslim reminds me of the Nazi attitude towards the Jews in the late 1930s and early 1940s...

[feederband]

I've said it before, people are supposed to die in war. That is one of the main objectives of war. Kill your enemy so that they cannot fight

Umm, knock, knock. The essence of war is to serve a political end. The means in getting their is to defeat your foe with power. Kiling is one of the objectives, but not the main objective. The main objective is to serve a political end.

What world are you living in? There will never be a political end to this issue...NEver! These are terrorist they are fighting,not politicians..

[NBCintern]

I've said it before, people are supposed to die in war. That is one of the main objectives of war. Kill your enemy so that they cannot fight

Umm, knock, knock. The essence of war is to serve a political end. The means in getting their is to defeat your foe with power. Kiling is one of the objectives, but not the main objective. The main objective is to serve a political end.

What world are you living in? There will never be a political end to this issue...NEver! These are terrorist they are fighting,not politicians..

It is apparently clear, that you do not know what WAR is besides toy soldiers. War is Political. No two ways about it. All terrorists fight for a political purpose.

[Regit]

I've said it before, people are supposed to die in war. That is one of the main objectives of war. Kill your enemy so that they cannot fight

Umm, knock, knock. The essence of war is to serve a political end. The means in getting their is to defeat your foe with power. Kiling is one of the objectives, but not the main objective. The main objective is to serve a political end.

What world are you living in? There will never be a political end to this issue...NEver! These are terrorist they are fighting,not politicians..

I don't know what world he's living in, but in this one, we've all agreed on the English language. Politics is simply social relations involving power. To terrorists, the destruction of Israel is a political end. To Israel, living in peace and the continuation of the state is their political end. Killing is the means, not the end.

[NBCintern]

I've said it before, people are supposed to die in war. That is one of the main objectives of war. Kill your enemy so that they cannot fight

Umm, knock, knock. The essence of war is to serve a political end. The means in getting their is to defeat your foe with power. Kiling is one of the objectives, but not the main objective. The main objective is to serve a political end.

What world are you living in? There will never be a political end to this issue...NEver! These are terrorist they are fighting,not politicians..

I don't know what world he's living in, but in this one, we've all agreed on the English language. Politics is simply social relations involving power. To terrorists, the destruction of Israel is a political end. To Israel, living in peace and the continuation of the state is their political end. Killing is the means, not the end.

Bravo, well said.

[Audrey2Katrina]

I was just watching ABC news. Why would Israel Target a convoy of ambulances that are clearly marked with red crosses on the roof?? Sorry but they are no better than hezbola for doing this. Sad.

Because members of terrorist orgs like Hezbolla tend to use such vehicles to hide in. They also set up their evil little nests in neighborhoods of regular residents and in mosques to protect their own skins at the cost of innocent blood.

I doub it.

Doubt never has, and never will constitute fact. You really need to do more research on it. The terrorists are positively known for using things like Ambulances to make their escapes, and that they've got "civilians" aiding and abetting them is also well enough documented... the civilians were told to leave... if they choose to stay and side with the terrorists, then I can't feel all that remorseful when they suffer the same consequences.

A2K

[Audrey2Katrina]

And what about all of the Christians in Lebanon...? They are being killed as well

"ALL" of them? Now THAT, I doubt. The Israelis are actually trying to hit areas where terrorists are suspected of being/hiding/shooting from... the same is NOT the case for Hezbollah which rains over 100 missiles per day into ANY areas they can in Israel....and frequently wind up killing Arabs.

A2K

[nystate]

the civilians were told to leave... if they choose to stay and side with the terrorists, then I can't feel all that remorseful when they suffer the same consequences.

And what of the ones that can't afford to leave? Or the ones killed as they were driving north?

[Audrey2Katrina]

lots of christians were fried into the asphalt when we bombed german cities.

EXACTLY !! It's a pity that "War" has become this game of touchy-feely "equal time" display on most media outlets. There is decidedly a RIGHT, and a WRONG, in this conflict... and the failure of many to recognize the EVIL that exists within an organization perfectly willing to ensconce itself in a civilian population for the sole purpose of running up collateral casualties, is one of the major reasons this has become a protracted-no end in sight, type of conflict. When you fail to recognize EVIL for what it is, and in the name of so-called "objectivity" attempt to sugar-coat it as a "valid other POV"... then you set up a stage for countless masses of the very casualties you allegedly wish to see less of. This is the PC War paradox!

A2K

[Regit]

lots of christians were fried into the asphalt when we bombed german cities.

EXACTLY !! It's a pity that "War" has become this game of touchy-feely "equal time" display on most media outlets. There is decidedly a RIGHT, and a WRONG, in this conflict... and the failure of many to recognize the EVIL that exists within an organization perfectly willing to ensconce itself in a civilian population for the sole purpose of running up collateral casualties, is one of the major reasons this has become a protracted-no end in sight, type of conflict. When you fail to recognize EVIL for what it is, and in the name of so-called "objectivity" attempt to sugar-coat it as a "valid other POV"... then you set up a stage for countless masses of the very casualties you allegedly wish to see less of. This is the PC War paradox!

A2K

But if you pick sides in any issue, no matter how one sided it seems, you risk the proverbial "slippery slope." The media as a whole has a responsibility to present only the facts.

People in America should support Israel because they believe it is morally right and in our best interest. They shouldn't do it simply because the media ignores the other side.

The same is true of ANY news story. When the media reports about a child being murdered, they shouldn't have to say it's wrong. We should recognize that it is.

Right and wrong is still opinion, no matter how dearly you hold that position and it's not for the media to decide for us.

[Audrey2Katrina]

Umm, knock, knock. The essence of war is to serve a political end. The means in getting their is to defeat your foe with power. Kiling is one of the objectives, but not the main objective. The main objective is to serve a political end.

Don't even know how to begin responding to this, for lack of a better word, rationale. Perhaps we'll go first to: Ummm , knock knock, a dictionary?

Merriam Webster Definition:

Main Entry: 1war
Pronunciation: 'wor
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English werre, from Anglo-French werre, guerre, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German werra strife; akin to Old High German werran to confuse
1 a (1) : a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations (2) : a period of such armed conflict (3) : STATE OF WAR b : the art or science of warfare c (1) obsolete : weapons and equipment for war (2) archaic : soldiers armed and equipped for war
2 a : a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism b : a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end <a class war> <a war against disease>

Don't see a thing there about "serving a political end" at all. Even the SECOND definition, in which it is used strictly "figuratively" there is no such suggestion. Bottom line: War is when you enter upon an armed conflict against your opponent. (Knock! Knock! That usually means someone is gonna get killed!) the winner is the one who can FORCE the opponent into either open surrender, or simple subjugation by conquest. It has always been that way, and attempts to redefine it by those artful PC revisionists notwithstanding... that's the way it will always be--in the REAL world. I support Israel completely in this "War" against a genocidal EVIL enemy.

A2K

[Audrey2Katrina]

Oklahoma City? Atlanta Olympics bombing? Abortion clinic bombings and sniper incidents? Were Muslims behind those as well?

Would you like to make a wager, just for the "heck" of it, that 90% of terrorist deaths over the last 20 years, have had Islamo-fascists somehow or other involved? Bringing in the Atlanta bombing (1 death) Abortin clinic bombings (VERY isolated... maybe 5-10 at most over a 10 year period).. sniper incidents ..(...mmm perhaps on a liberal guess, as much as maybe 50 or so over the past 10 years)... are your REALLY going to compare this to 9//11--(3,000 dead)... Spain (over 300 dead)... Indonesia (at least 500 deaths)... not to even mention the literally countelss deaths in places like Darfur, and other places where living with terror is quite frankly a way of life.... do you not think this analogy is rather "weak"? Seriously!

A2K

[Audrey2Katrina]

but that doesn't give a nation a carte blanche to target civilians.

Bottom line: Israel is NOT TARGETING civilians. Personally, I think people who sincerely believe this are either self-deluded, brainswashed, or simply sympathetic to the WRONG side. Hezbollah, on the other hand IS targeting civilians--in TWO ways... 1.) They randomly rain their deadly missiles on WHOEVER they land on in Israel, and 2.) They, like the gutless slime they are, then don the apparel of civilians, and hide amongst the civilian population, and shoot from civilian buildings, so that Israel is placed in a "lose-lose" scenario... hence, Hezbollah is allowing "innocent civilian" deaths... even making them MUCH WORSE, by their own actions.... perhaps that righteous indignation needs to be aimed in that direction.

A2K