Russia, Iran talks break up
MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Russian and Iranian officials have ended two days of talks on a Russian offer to enrich uranium for Iran, and the delegation from Tehran left for the airport, the RIA-Novosti news agency reported, citing an Iranian official.
The Iranian Embassy in Moscow said in a statement that the delegation would leave Moscow for Tehran.
The Iranian delegation had met Russian negotiators in Moscow Monday to discuss an offer to enrich uranium outside Iran, while Tehran's foreign minister spoke with EU officials in Brussels about Iran's nuclear ambitions.
Russian and Iranian negotiators talked about an offer from Moscow to enrich uranium for Tehran on Russian soil -- an offer Russia says is contingent on Iran completely halting its nuclear enrichment program inside its borders.
However, Iranian officials have said in the past they will not engage in any negotiations or agree to any deal that would deny Iran's right to enrich uranium on its own soil.
The day ended with both sides saying the talks would continue, but they did not say when, according to several Russian news agencies.
Nothing acomplished in these talks between Russia and Iran.
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I think a false flag attack may happen from 3/3 to 3/6 with the 3rd being the most likely date. Beware the Ides of March. Most don't know about or understand the damage that the Iranian oil bourse could cause our economy. I don't think we will make it out of March without an attack on Iran. It may be pre-emptive one or as a reaction to an event. Gas supplies are about to tighten up in the South East especially Houston area due to a switch to a different additive. Couple that with an attack on Iran and many people will not be able to pay for gas if it hits $10+ a gallon like many are predicting.
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Derek Ortt wrote:do not see the Israel connection that Ezekiel described. I believe that Israel is in the future, a Christian Israel. Therefore, Ezekiels passage, iMO, does not apply
Ezikiel also describe that they will come up a land of unwalled villages which sugesst to me it will be at a time when the security fence will be know more.when this event occur there is going to be supernatural intervention and out of this the enemies of israel are going to turn on each other resulting in the greatest demostration of friendly fire in world history.
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Iranian advisor: We'll strike Dimona in response to U.S. attack
By Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent
If the United States launches an attack on Iran, the Islamic republic will retaliate with a military strike on Israel's main nuclear facility, an advisor to Iran's Revolutionary Guard said.
The advisor, Dr. Abasi, said Tehran would respond to an American attack with strikes on the Dimona nuclear reactor and other strategic Israeli sites such as the port city of Haifa and the Zakhariya area.
Haifa is also home to a large concentration of chemical factories and oil refineries.
Zakhariya, located in the Jerusalem hills is - according to foreign reports - home to Israel's Jericho missile base. Both Israeli and international media have published commercial satellite images of the Zakhariya and Dimona sites.
Abasi, a senior lecturer at Tehran University, was quoted in the Roz internet news site, identified with reform circles in Iran.
Iranian affairs experts believe Abasi's statements are part of propaganda battle being wages by all sides - including Israel and Iran - in the lead up to next months United Nations Security Council debate on Iran's nuclear program.
Ummm they are getting serious with this.
By Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent
If the United States launches an attack on Iran, the Islamic republic will retaliate with a military strike on Israel's main nuclear facility, an advisor to Iran's Revolutionary Guard said.
The advisor, Dr. Abasi, said Tehran would respond to an American attack with strikes on the Dimona nuclear reactor and other strategic Israeli sites such as the port city of Haifa and the Zakhariya area.
Haifa is also home to a large concentration of chemical factories and oil refineries.
Zakhariya, located in the Jerusalem hills is - according to foreign reports - home to Israel's Jericho missile base. Both Israeli and international media have published commercial satellite images of the Zakhariya and Dimona sites.
Abasi, a senior lecturer at Tehran University, was quoted in the Roz internet news site, identified with reform circles in Iran.
Iranian affairs experts believe Abasi's statements are part of propaganda battle being wages by all sides - including Israel and Iran - in the lead up to next months United Nations Security Council debate on Iran's nuclear program.
Ummm they are getting serious with this.
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Iran says it agrees basic nuclear deal with Russia
BUSHEHR, Iran (Reuters) - Iran has reached a "basic" agreement with Russia on jointly enriching uranium, officials said on Sunday -- but there was no immediate sign that it would suspend home-grown enrichment to allay fears that it is developing nuclear weapons.
It was unclear what this basic agreement involved and both Russian and Iranian officials identified serious obstacles to a full deal.
These principally concerned a suspension of Tehran's home-grown uranium enrichment work, the main demand of Western powers who are threatening to press for UN sanctions.
The original Russian proposal had been for Iran's uranium to be enriched in Russia to defuse suspicions that Iran might divert some nuclear fuel into a weapons program.
However, Iran has always insisted upon its right to enrich the uranium it mines in its central desert on its own soil, and it was unclear how the original Russian proposal could be tailored to please Tehran.
"Regarding this joint venture, we have reached a basic agreement. Talks to complete this package will continue in coming days in Russia," Iranian nuclear chief Gholamreza Aghazadeh told reporters in the Iranian port town of Bushehr.
But Sergei Kiriyenko, head of Russia's atomic energy agency, speaking at a news conference with Aghazadeh, said Iran still had to take "serious steps" before the deal could be completed.
He did not specify what these would be, but an unnamed Russian official in Bushehr told Interfax news agency that the deal could only go ahead if Iran suspended its own uranium enrichment -- something it has repeatedly refused to do.
IRAN WANTS ENRICHMENT AT HOME
Aghazadeh also stipulated that Iran would be setting an unspecified "precondition" to the deal.
One EU diplomat said this precondition was almost certain to be Tehran insisting upon its right to enrich its own uranium
The big question is if the U.S and Israel will believe that Iran will cave in and agree to enrich uranimun in Russia.
BUSHEHR, Iran (Reuters) - Iran has reached a "basic" agreement with Russia on jointly enriching uranium, officials said on Sunday -- but there was no immediate sign that it would suspend home-grown enrichment to allay fears that it is developing nuclear weapons.
It was unclear what this basic agreement involved and both Russian and Iranian officials identified serious obstacles to a full deal.
These principally concerned a suspension of Tehran's home-grown uranium enrichment work, the main demand of Western powers who are threatening to press for UN sanctions.
The original Russian proposal had been for Iran's uranium to be enriched in Russia to defuse suspicions that Iran might divert some nuclear fuel into a weapons program.
However, Iran has always insisted upon its right to enrich the uranium it mines in its central desert on its own soil, and it was unclear how the original Russian proposal could be tailored to please Tehran.
"Regarding this joint venture, we have reached a basic agreement. Talks to complete this package will continue in coming days in Russia," Iranian nuclear chief Gholamreza Aghazadeh told reporters in the Iranian port town of Bushehr.
But Sergei Kiriyenko, head of Russia's atomic energy agency, speaking at a news conference with Aghazadeh, said Iran still had to take "serious steps" before the deal could be completed.
He did not specify what these would be, but an unnamed Russian official in Bushehr told Interfax news agency that the deal could only go ahead if Iran suspended its own uranium enrichment -- something it has repeatedly refused to do.
IRAN WANTS ENRICHMENT AT HOME
Aghazadeh also stipulated that Iran would be setting an unspecified "precondition" to the deal.
One EU diplomat said this precondition was almost certain to be Tehran insisting upon its right to enrich its own uranium
The big question is if the U.S and Israel will believe that Iran will cave in and agree to enrich uranimun in Russia.
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Russia Dampens Hopes on Iran Nuclear Talks
By JIM HEINTZ
Associated Press Writer
MOSCOW (AP) -- Russia dampened hopes for a deal to rein in Iran's nuclear program, telling Tehran on Monday that it must first freeze domestic uranium enrichment. U.S. and German officials questioned Iran's commitment to addressing international concerns.
A report by the U.N. atomic watchdog agency said Iran appears determined to expand uranium enrichment, which can be a key step in producing nuclear warheads. The report also said a lack of Iranian cooperation has kept U.N. experts from establishing whether Iran's past clandestine nuclear activities were focused on making arms.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, meanwhile, called American and Russian nuclear arsenals a threat to the Middle East and called for them to dismantle their atomic weapons, although there was no indication he was making the demand part of Iran's negotiating position.
The White House expressed doubt Monday that a Russian-Iranian deal would ease concerns that Iran's program is a cover for work to build atomic weapons, citing the indications that Tehran intends to continue uranium enrichment on its home soil.
Washington is supporting the Kremlin's effort, as long as the final deal results in all enrichment activities take place outside Iran and all spent nuclear reactor fuel is returned to Russia.
"We'll have to see what the details of any agreement are," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said. "Given their history, you can understand why we remain skeptical."
The developments came a day after Iran and Russia announced an agreement in principle for setting up a joint program to conduct Iranian uranium enrichment work on Russian soil, which would allow closer international monitoring.
But no details were settled, and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Monday that the plan was contingent on Tehran ending enrichment activities inside Iran - something the Iranians have refused to do.
"Among other components of these efforts, there must be a moratorium on enriching uranium inside Iran until specialists from the International Atomic Energy Agency have clarified all issues concerning the Iranian nuclear program that emerged in the past," Lavrov told reporters.
Negotiations on the proposal were scheduled to resume in Moscow on Tuesday, the RIA Novosti news agency reported, citing an unidentified official in the Russian negotiating team.
The Iranians insist their program has only the peaceful purpose of developing technology to produce enriched uranium fuel to power nuclear reactors for generating electricity.
Germany's foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, accused Iran of using the talks with Russia to try to divide the international community.
"Iran does not really have a new strategy" to defuse the crisis, Steinmeier told reporters after he was briefed on the Russian-Iran negotiations. "They still want to drive a wedge into the international community, but this will not succeed."
Lavrov stressed that the talks had not ended and would continue until the IAEA's board meets March 6 to discuss Iran.
The board voted early this month to report Iran to the U.N. Security Council, but the council is waiting for the report and the outcome of the board meeting before considering any action, such as imposing economic and political sanctions.
The delay was insisted on by two of the council's veto-wielding members, Russia and China, both of which have strong economic and political ties to Tehran.
Japan, which is a strong U.S. ally but also buys much of its oil from Iran, is keen to play a role in resolving the standoff. Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Aso urged his visiting Iranian counterpart Monday to respond "wisely and positively" to Russia's overture, his ministry said.
Aso stressed to Manouchehr Mottaki that Iran needs to realize other countries have strong suspicions about the Iranian nuclear program, much of which was kept secret from U.N. inspectors for years.
"Iran has lost the trust of the international community, and I hope to urge Mr. Mottaki to gain a better understanding of the international situation," Aso told Parliament.
The U.N. atomic agency's report on problems in the investigation of Iran's program was likely to add to those suspicions.
Iran's president did not mention the negotiations with Russia during a quick visit to Kuwait on Monday, but nuclear weapons came up in a meeting with journalists.
Asked about calls from the United States, Kuwait and other Arab states for the Middle East to be kept free of nuclear arms, Ahmadinejad said Iran also desired that, but added that his government wanted to see the whole world free of nuclear weapons.
"We believe that these weapons, possessed by the superpowers and the occupiers in our area, are a threat to stability," he said.
International worries about Iran's intentions have been intensified by Ahmadinejad's belligerent talk about Israel, including his comment that the Jewish state should be wiped "off the map."
Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz on Monday denounced Iran's negotiations with Russia as a bid to buy time to develop nuclear arms, but said Israel was willing to let diplomacy run its course for now.
He added, however, that Israeli leaders could not stand by indefinitely waiting for Iran's program to be reined in and said Israel will take all necessary steps to defend itself from a possible Iranian nuclear attack.
"As for the possibility of an Israeli attack (on Iran), I think it is not at all right to address this question publicly, but it can be said that Israel has the right and the obligation to do all that is necessary to defend itself," Mofaz told a group of high school students.
In other words the Iran situation is getting worse rather than better as the talks with the Russians were not good.And the Iran's president mouth continues to open making things worse.
By JIM HEINTZ
Associated Press Writer
MOSCOW (AP) -- Russia dampened hopes for a deal to rein in Iran's nuclear program, telling Tehran on Monday that it must first freeze domestic uranium enrichment. U.S. and German officials questioned Iran's commitment to addressing international concerns.
A report by the U.N. atomic watchdog agency said Iran appears determined to expand uranium enrichment, which can be a key step in producing nuclear warheads. The report also said a lack of Iranian cooperation has kept U.N. experts from establishing whether Iran's past clandestine nuclear activities were focused on making arms.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, meanwhile, called American and Russian nuclear arsenals a threat to the Middle East and called for them to dismantle their atomic weapons, although there was no indication he was making the demand part of Iran's negotiating position.
The White House expressed doubt Monday that a Russian-Iranian deal would ease concerns that Iran's program is a cover for work to build atomic weapons, citing the indications that Tehran intends to continue uranium enrichment on its home soil.
Washington is supporting the Kremlin's effort, as long as the final deal results in all enrichment activities take place outside Iran and all spent nuclear reactor fuel is returned to Russia.
"We'll have to see what the details of any agreement are," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said. "Given their history, you can understand why we remain skeptical."
The developments came a day after Iran and Russia announced an agreement in principle for setting up a joint program to conduct Iranian uranium enrichment work on Russian soil, which would allow closer international monitoring.
But no details were settled, and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Monday that the plan was contingent on Tehran ending enrichment activities inside Iran - something the Iranians have refused to do.
"Among other components of these efforts, there must be a moratorium on enriching uranium inside Iran until specialists from the International Atomic Energy Agency have clarified all issues concerning the Iranian nuclear program that emerged in the past," Lavrov told reporters.
Negotiations on the proposal were scheduled to resume in Moscow on Tuesday, the RIA Novosti news agency reported, citing an unidentified official in the Russian negotiating team.
The Iranians insist their program has only the peaceful purpose of developing technology to produce enriched uranium fuel to power nuclear reactors for generating electricity.
Germany's foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, accused Iran of using the talks with Russia to try to divide the international community.
"Iran does not really have a new strategy" to defuse the crisis, Steinmeier told reporters after he was briefed on the Russian-Iran negotiations. "They still want to drive a wedge into the international community, but this will not succeed."
Lavrov stressed that the talks had not ended and would continue until the IAEA's board meets March 6 to discuss Iran.
The board voted early this month to report Iran to the U.N. Security Council, but the council is waiting for the report and the outcome of the board meeting before considering any action, such as imposing economic and political sanctions.
The delay was insisted on by two of the council's veto-wielding members, Russia and China, both of which have strong economic and political ties to Tehran.
Japan, which is a strong U.S. ally but also buys much of its oil from Iran, is keen to play a role in resolving the standoff. Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Aso urged his visiting Iranian counterpart Monday to respond "wisely and positively" to Russia's overture, his ministry said.
Aso stressed to Manouchehr Mottaki that Iran needs to realize other countries have strong suspicions about the Iranian nuclear program, much of which was kept secret from U.N. inspectors for years.
"Iran has lost the trust of the international community, and I hope to urge Mr. Mottaki to gain a better understanding of the international situation," Aso told Parliament.
The U.N. atomic agency's report on problems in the investigation of Iran's program was likely to add to those suspicions.
Iran's president did not mention the negotiations with Russia during a quick visit to Kuwait on Monday, but nuclear weapons came up in a meeting with journalists.
Asked about calls from the United States, Kuwait and other Arab states for the Middle East to be kept free of nuclear arms, Ahmadinejad said Iran also desired that, but added that his government wanted to see the whole world free of nuclear weapons.
"We believe that these weapons, possessed by the superpowers and the occupiers in our area, are a threat to stability," he said.
International worries about Iran's intentions have been intensified by Ahmadinejad's belligerent talk about Israel, including his comment that the Jewish state should be wiped "off the map."
Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz on Monday denounced Iran's negotiations with Russia as a bid to buy time to develop nuclear arms, but said Israel was willing to let diplomacy run its course for now.
He added, however, that Israeli leaders could not stand by indefinitely waiting for Iran's program to be reined in and said Israel will take all necessary steps to defend itself from a possible Iranian nuclear attack.
"As for the possibility of an Israeli attack (on Iran), I think it is not at all right to address this question publicly, but it can be said that Israel has the right and the obligation to do all that is necessary to defend itself," Mofaz told a group of high school students.
In other words the Iran situation is getting worse rather than better as the talks with the Russians were not good.And the Iran's president mouth continues to open making things worse.
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BEER980 wrote:I think a false flag attack may happen from 3/3 to 3/6 with the 3rd being the most likely date. Beware the Ides of March. Most don't know about or understand the damage that the Iranian oil bourse could cause our economy. I don't think we will make it out of March without an attack on Iran. It may be pre-emptive one or as a reaction to an event. Gas supplies are about to tighten up in the South East especially Houston area due to a switch to a different additive. Couple that with an attack on Iran and many people will not be able to pay for gas if it hits $10+ a gallon like many are predicting.
The Ides of March is the 15th, what does that have to do with the third?
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Nuclear watchdog: Iran is testing centrifuges
IAEA says it remains unclear whether Tehran nuclear aims are peaceful
MSNBC News Services
Updated: 2:23 p.m. ET Feb. 27, 2006
VIENNA - Iran has begun testing 20 centrifuges at its Natanz pilot uranium-enrichment plant, pressing ahead with efforts to purify nuclear fuel in defiance of world pressure, a nuclear watchdog report said on Monday.
The confidential report by International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei said Iran had also begun substantial renovations of Natanz’s system handling UF6 gas, which is converted by centrifuges into enriched atomic fuel.
It said the cascade of 20 centrifuge machines began to undergo vacuum testing on Feb. 22.
The disclosure was part of a report by ElBaradei, who said that after three years of work, the agency had been unable to verify whether Iran’s nuclear aims are really peaceful, because Tehran has failed to fully cooperate with inspectors.
The report was circulated to IAEA board members a week ahead of a meeting likely to pave the way to U.N. Security Council consideration of action over Iran’s nuclear program.
“It is regrettable and a matter of concern that the uncertainties related to the scope and nature of Iran’s nuclear program have not been clarified after three years of intensive agency verification,” said the report.
A Feb. 4 IAEA board resolution reporting Iran to the Security Council over concerns it may be secretly seeking atomic bombs had demanded Tehran stop impeding agency inquiries or, Western diplomats said, the council could consider sanctions.
“To clarify these uncertainties, Iran’s full transparency is still essential,” ElBaradei’s report said.
“Without full transparency that extends beyond the formal legal requirements of the (IAEA) safeguards agreement ... the agency’s ability to reconstruct the history of Iran’s past program and verify the correctness and completeness of the statements made by Iran, particularly with regard to its centrifuge (nuclear fuel) enrichment program, will be limited, and questions about the past and current direction of Iran’s nuclear program will continue to be raised,” it said.
Officials close to the IAEA probe said Iran had done very little to heed the IAEA board aside from providing slightly more but inconclusive information about alleged civilian-military links in nuclear work and equipment connected to a military-run installation razed by Iran before inspectors could reach it.
“We are not yet at the point to able to conclude that this is a (peaceful nuclear program),” said a senior official close to the IAEA investigations.
Another official close to the inquiry said: “Iran is still inching forward and coupled with the resumption of uranium enrichment work, it makes the whole atmosphere much more negative.”
Above photo is one of the plants where Iran is testing centrifuges one step to enrich uranimun that can make nuclear weapons.
IAEA says it remains unclear whether Tehran nuclear aims are peaceful
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Updated: 2:23 p.m. ET Feb. 27, 2006
VIENNA - Iran has begun testing 20 centrifuges at its Natanz pilot uranium-enrichment plant, pressing ahead with efforts to purify nuclear fuel in defiance of world pressure, a nuclear watchdog report said on Monday.
The confidential report by International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei said Iran had also begun substantial renovations of Natanz’s system handling UF6 gas, which is converted by centrifuges into enriched atomic fuel.
It said the cascade of 20 centrifuge machines began to undergo vacuum testing on Feb. 22.
The disclosure was part of a report by ElBaradei, who said that after three years of work, the agency had been unable to verify whether Iran’s nuclear aims are really peaceful, because Tehran has failed to fully cooperate with inspectors.
The report was circulated to IAEA board members a week ahead of a meeting likely to pave the way to U.N. Security Council consideration of action over Iran’s nuclear program.
“It is regrettable and a matter of concern that the uncertainties related to the scope and nature of Iran’s nuclear program have not been clarified after three years of intensive agency verification,” said the report.
A Feb. 4 IAEA board resolution reporting Iran to the Security Council over concerns it may be secretly seeking atomic bombs had demanded Tehran stop impeding agency inquiries or, Western diplomats said, the council could consider sanctions.
“To clarify these uncertainties, Iran’s full transparency is still essential,” ElBaradei’s report said.
“Without full transparency that extends beyond the formal legal requirements of the (IAEA) safeguards agreement ... the agency’s ability to reconstruct the history of Iran’s past program and verify the correctness and completeness of the statements made by Iran, particularly with regard to its centrifuge (nuclear fuel) enrichment program, will be limited, and questions about the past and current direction of Iran’s nuclear program will continue to be raised,” it said.
Officials close to the IAEA probe said Iran had done very little to heed the IAEA board aside from providing slightly more but inconclusive information about alleged civilian-military links in nuclear work and equipment connected to a military-run installation razed by Iran before inspectors could reach it.
“We are not yet at the point to able to conclude that this is a (peaceful nuclear program),” said a senior official close to the IAEA investigations.
Another official close to the inquiry said: “Iran is still inching forward and coupled with the resumption of uranium enrichment work, it makes the whole atmosphere much more negative.”
Above photo is one of the plants where Iran is testing centrifuges one step to enrich uranimun that can make nuclear weapons.
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There will be some type of major event it seems between the 3-6. The Ides has nothing to do with the third. It will be a tipping point I believe. The Patriot Act renewal has been extended to the 10. The petrodollar is becoming obsolete. The whole month of March will most likely heat up the further it goes along. You will see more stories and finger pointing. Right now it is a giant game of rope-a-dope. We are between a rock and a hard place as a nation with Iran. It could start with an attack from Israel on Iran and that will trigger an attack on the US fleet in the area ending with a response from us. At least that is the most talked about plan. The others being an attack on conus by sleeper cells or pre-emptive by us.
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BEER980 wrote:There will be some type of major event it seems between the 3-6. The Ides has nothing to do with the third. It will be a tipping point I believe. The Patriot Act renewal has been extended to the 10. The petrodollar is becoming obsolete. The whole month of March will most likely heat up the further it goes along. You will see more stories and finger pointing. Right now it is a giant game of rope-a-dope. We are between a rock and a hard place as a nation with Iran. It could start with an attack from Israel on Iran and that will trigger an attack on the US fleet in the area ending with a response from us. At least that is the most talked about plan. The others being an attack on conus by sleeper cells or pre-emptive by us.
Anyway you see this situation unfold the future for a peaceful solution to this Nuke standoff looks more bleak as time goes by and the Military option of any sort is increasing with time.
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Ok...have we let them get close enough yet? if we go it, need to take out their missle lauchers and uranium enrichment plants...i wonder if we could do that in one big secret strike? hmmm...things are heating up...and chances of no military confrontation is becoming slimmer and slimmer as each SECOND passes on...plus that is just another second closer to the real deal for them...they are getting ready to produce a nuke and the rest of the world is stuck on idle...
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