Well I guess that's it...
SUNDAY AT 10:02 PM: ALL DAY TALKS HAVE COLLAPSED! AMPTP ENDED NEGOTIATIONS WHEN WGA EAST REFUSED TO STOP STRIKE!
SUNDAY AT 10:00 PM: BIG PROBLEM! I just heard the Hollywood moguls are furious that the WGA wouldn't stop or at least suspend the start of the East strike at 12:01 am while the talks out West were continuing. "They went out on strike in NY while we were negotiating. Game over," a producers insider just told me. The all-day talks have collapsed.
No word on when or if the next talks are scheduled. Massive picketing starts at 9am ET at 30 Rock in New York.
What are you watching this summer?
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fact789 wrote:So I guess we are now in strike mode?
Popcorn, anyone? What?? This is entertaining . .
ETA:
[the futon's guide to the writers strike]
http://www.wga.org/subpage_newsevents.aspx?id=2539
[11.04.07 - WGA] -- [url=The Latest Word -- "Early today, the WGA completely withdrew its DVD proposal, which the Companies said was a stumbling block... The AMPTP made no response to any of the other proposals that the WGA has made since July. The AMPTP proposed that today's meeting be "off the record," meaning no press statements, but they have reneged on that."
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I *really* don't think it's gonna last that long. I think once both sides in a few days or definitely a week or two cool down a bit there will be a deal. It seems to have been so close last night before the producers walked out(I'm very annoyed with both sides over that).
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In the meantime, does anyone want to discuss Desperate Housewives? Last night's episode was great, as always. Danielle - a riot. I need to rewatch her one liners, she had Bree down to an art......Andrew as Cher - ROFLMAO! The new gay couple sure know how to throw a party. Can't even imagine what their house will look like at xmas....LOL I could have shaken Gaby though. She needed to take Carlos' offer and run with it. Leaving a I'm leaving you message to Victor.....geez. Just when I was starting to like her she takes a page from Susan's how to screw up your life handbook. Speaking of Susan, her storyline was quite serious, as was Lynette's. Great anology with the possum. I just loved her scene out on the lawn, crying, feeling bad for the possum but happy to have had a negative cat scan.
All in all, great episode. I see trouble on the horizon with Danielle though. It won't be smooth sailing with Bree raising the baby as her own. I also am worried about Gaby, out on Victor's yacht. Is he going to kill her? Yikes....sure didn't look good.
All in all, great episode. I see trouble on the horizon with Danielle though. It won't be smooth sailing with Bree raising the baby as her own. I also am worried about Gaby, out on Victor's yacht. Is he going to kill her? Yikes....sure didn't look good.
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Miss Mary wrote:In the meantime, does anyone want to discuss Desperate Housewives? Last night's episode was great, as always. Danielle - a riot. I need to rewatch her one liners, she had Bree down to an art......Andrew as Cher - ROFLMAO! The new gay couple sure know how to throw a party. Can't even imagine what their house will look like at xmas....LOL I could have shaken Gaby though. She needed to take Carlos' offer and run with it. Leaving a I'm leaving you message to Victor.....geez. Just when I was starting to like her she takes a page from Susan's how to screw up your life handbook. Speaking of Susan, her storyline was quite serious, as was Lynette's. Great anology with the possum. I just loved her scene out on the lawn, crying, feeling bad for the possum but happy to have had a negative cat scan.
All in all, great episode. I see trouble on the horizon with Danielle though. It won't be smooth sailing with Bree raising the baby as her own. I also am worried about Gaby, out on Victor's yacht. Is he going to kill her? Yikes....sure didn't look good.
Last night's episode was VERY strange to me. I liked it, not my favorite of the year, but it felt off. I was disappointed that half the cast wasn't even at the Halloween party, and that it only took up about 5 minutes. Mike's dad telling how he murdered his boss was HILARIOUS. Only on this show... That plot otherwise was very dramatic and depressing however, as was Lynette's. I LOVED Gaby leaving Victor over voicemail.
Oh, and not only that, but she put him on hold! 
Yeah, I don't think Danielle's baby's custody is settled yet. Don't you just love home births that take 5 minutes?
As for Gaby/Victor next week, well from the preview, she gets in the first swing! 
Don't mess with Gaby. I loved Carlos's "he's in the ocean?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzclrIKQwQ0
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My daughter couldn't believe Danielle went into labor so quickly. LOL Reminded me of the Newhart show's birth - Stephanie's he he, ho ho and the baby popped out. No sweat, didn't even ruin her makeup! At least Danielle was in pain. That part was realistic but the overall L & D was way too short, for a first baby.
I wish the party had last longer too. Surprised it took place on Halloween though, it was odd when kids were trick or treating during an adult party. Usually adult H. parties are held on Saturday's, and typically the Saturday before the 31st. I think they just threw that bit in - the kids catching the baby being born, for effect.
I wish the party had last longer too. Surprised it took place on Halloween though, it was odd when kids were trick or treating during an adult party. Usually adult H. parties are held on Saturday's, and typically the Saturday before the 31st. I think they just threw that bit in - the kids catching the baby being born, for effect.
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Is this a strike that could have been prevented?
Both producers and writers are angry over the way talks collapsed Sunday night, with both sides creating a Rashomon atmosphere of disagreeing over who did what -- and when. But pretty much everyone agrees that action must be taken in the next 48 hours if Hollywood is going to avoid a long and costly strike.
The question: Who will take the initiative to get talks to resume? Producers believe it's up to the writers to make the first move; the WGA says it's ready, willing and able to resume talks at any point.
"I think both sides want to continue negotiations," WGA West exec director David Young said Monday. "We are not getting a divorce."
But with a full-fledged strike started and lingering acrimony between the WGA and the Alliance of Motion Picture & Television Producers, prospects for resuming talks are dimming. Many already believe that the Directors Guild of America will end up riding in like the cavalry to make a deal that could lead to labor peace -- even though WGA leaders have already asserted that they won't look favorably at such an outcome.
The confusing outlook could get especially ugly by Thursday, when the Writers Guild of America has given as the deadline for its Script Validation Program, whereby writers must turn in drafts of their current works. Studios and networks have demanded the guild cease and desist from enforcing that program.
Sources close to talks said that five key sticking points were on the table at the start of talks Sunday, and those had been whittled down to just two by the dinner break. Many in both camps feel that they could have made serious progress if the talks continued.
But AMPTP president Nick Counter said the talks collapsed when the companies were in caucus ater 9 p.m. PST and discovered that the WGA East website was declaring the strike had started. The AMPTP reps then asked WGA East topper Mona Mangan if that was indeed the case, and she said it was.
"We asked the WGA if they'd be willing to put a pin in the strike so we could continue negotiations and Mona and David Young said 'no'," Counter said. "We were having dialogue and making some progress and then we hit a brick wall."
But Young said that he had told the AMPTP at noon Sunday that the WGA was willing to talk all night but that it would not call off the strike. He also admitted that there had been some progress during the session.
"If it were Oct. 10, I would be hopeful and happy," he added. "But here we are at 9:30 p.m. on Nov. 4 and they still have not made an economic proposal. We had gotten some movement but nothing on their economic package."
WGA negotiators were infuriated by what they perceived as a lack of movement by the AMPTP once they had taken their proposal to double DVD residuals off the table. Negotiating committee member and showrunner Shawn Ryan ("The Shield," "The Unit") sent out an angry email afterward after spending nearly 12 hours in the Sunday session.
"I watched our side desperately try to make a deal," Ryan said. "We gave up our request to increase revenue on DVDs, something that was very painful to give up, but something we felt we had to in order to get a deal made in new media, which is our future. I watched as the company's representatives treated us horrendously, disrespectfully, and then walked out on us at 9:30 and then lied to the trades, claiming we had broken off negotiations."
The key sticking points remain residuals for new media, payment for work for the Internet and use of streaming video. Counter painted a grim future on Monday.
"The outlook for future WGA negotiations is pretty bleak," he admitted. "The only guideline we have is that the 1988 strike by the WGA lasted five months."
http://www.variety.com/article/VR111797 ... =2821&cs=1
Both producers and writers are angry over the way talks collapsed Sunday night, with both sides creating a Rashomon atmosphere of disagreeing over who did what -- and when. But pretty much everyone agrees that action must be taken in the next 48 hours if Hollywood is going to avoid a long and costly strike.
The question: Who will take the initiative to get talks to resume? Producers believe it's up to the writers to make the first move; the WGA says it's ready, willing and able to resume talks at any point.
"I think both sides want to continue negotiations," WGA West exec director David Young said Monday. "We are not getting a divorce."
But with a full-fledged strike started and lingering acrimony between the WGA and the Alliance of Motion Picture & Television Producers, prospects for resuming talks are dimming. Many already believe that the Directors Guild of America will end up riding in like the cavalry to make a deal that could lead to labor peace -- even though WGA leaders have already asserted that they won't look favorably at such an outcome.
The confusing outlook could get especially ugly by Thursday, when the Writers Guild of America has given as the deadline for its Script Validation Program, whereby writers must turn in drafts of their current works. Studios and networks have demanded the guild cease and desist from enforcing that program.
Sources close to talks said that five key sticking points were on the table at the start of talks Sunday, and those had been whittled down to just two by the dinner break. Many in both camps feel that they could have made serious progress if the talks continued.
But AMPTP president Nick Counter said the talks collapsed when the companies were in caucus ater 9 p.m. PST and discovered that the WGA East website was declaring the strike had started. The AMPTP reps then asked WGA East topper Mona Mangan if that was indeed the case, and she said it was.
"We asked the WGA if they'd be willing to put a pin in the strike so we could continue negotiations and Mona and David Young said 'no'," Counter said. "We were having dialogue and making some progress and then we hit a brick wall."
But Young said that he had told the AMPTP at noon Sunday that the WGA was willing to talk all night but that it would not call off the strike. He also admitted that there had been some progress during the session.
"If it were Oct. 10, I would be hopeful and happy," he added. "But here we are at 9:30 p.m. on Nov. 4 and they still have not made an economic proposal. We had gotten some movement but nothing on their economic package."
WGA negotiators were infuriated by what they perceived as a lack of movement by the AMPTP once they had taken their proposal to double DVD residuals off the table. Negotiating committee member and showrunner Shawn Ryan ("The Shield," "The Unit") sent out an angry email afterward after spending nearly 12 hours in the Sunday session.
"I watched our side desperately try to make a deal," Ryan said. "We gave up our request to increase revenue on DVDs, something that was very painful to give up, but something we felt we had to in order to get a deal made in new media, which is our future. I watched as the company's representatives treated us horrendously, disrespectfully, and then walked out on us at 9:30 and then lied to the trades, claiming we had broken off negotiations."
The key sticking points remain residuals for new media, payment for work for the Internet and use of streaming video. Counter painted a grim future on Monday.
"The outlook for future WGA negotiations is pretty bleak," he admitted. "The only guideline we have is that the 1988 strike by the WGA lasted five months."
http://www.variety.com/article/VR111797 ... =2821&cs=1
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ABC HOLDS BACK 'MAFIA,' OTHER SWEEPS CHANGES
By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)
LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- After a weekend of speculation, ABC has indeed postponed the November 27 launch of "Cashmere Mafia."
The news comes as a long expected reaction to the WGA strike, which officially began today. It's understood Alphabet executives were concerned about launching the newcomer with only a handful of completed episodes.
Industry insiders suggest ABC will expand the finale of "Dancing With the Stars" to two hours on said night while a permanent replacement is set to be announced shortly.
The network also confirmed several other changes to its sweeps schedule:
-- "Big Shots" will take a powder on Thursday, November 15 in favor of a special post-"Grey's Anatomy" installment of "Women's Murder Club." The following week "Shots" will be pre-empted by the return of "October Road" as previously announced. "Shots" then will presumably return on Thursday, November 29.
-- "The Bachelor: After the Final Rose" has been slated for Tuesday, November 20 at 10:00/9:00c. The special bumps the planned episode of "Boston Legal" for that night to December 4.
By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)
LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- After a weekend of speculation, ABC has indeed postponed the November 27 launch of "Cashmere Mafia."
The news comes as a long expected reaction to the WGA strike, which officially began today. It's understood Alphabet executives were concerned about launching the newcomer with only a handful of completed episodes.
Industry insiders suggest ABC will expand the finale of "Dancing With the Stars" to two hours on said night while a permanent replacement is set to be announced shortly.
The network also confirmed several other changes to its sweeps schedule:
-- "Big Shots" will take a powder on Thursday, November 15 in favor of a special post-"Grey's Anatomy" installment of "Women's Murder Club." The following week "Shots" will be pre-empted by the return of "October Road" as previously announced. "Shots" then will presumably return on Thursday, November 29.
-- "The Bachelor: After the Final Rose" has been slated for Tuesday, November 20 at 10:00/9:00c. The special bumps the planned episode of "Boston Legal" for that night to December 4.
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Since we're discussing this week's DH episode, here's the TV Guide blog, which sums it all up nicely. Check out the Frankenstein photo with new baby Hodge! LOL
http://community.tvguide.com/blog/TV-Sh ... /800056066
http://community.tvguide.com/blog/TV-Sh ... /800056066
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CBS leans on 'Brother' during strike
Reality show staffing up for early launch
By JOSEF ADALIAN
CBS may rely on its "Big Brother" as a strike contingency.
Skein, usually a summer staple, has started staffing up for an in-season run that could be on the air as soon as February, people familiar with the situation said. Indeed, in anticipation of a strike, Eye quietly began casting for the next edition of the show a few weeks ago.
Exec producer Allison Grodner is also said to be working on a new creative twist for the Julie Chen-hosted skein, in which a group of strangers lives together in a house for three months.
There's been buzz that the next edition of "Big Brother" might actually use celebrities as opposed to civilians. A long strike might work in favor of such a plan, since some celebs normally busy working on sitcoms and dramas might have some time on their hands.
Possibility of an early "Big Brother" popped up on Tuesday's edition of the Eye's "Early Show." Anchor Hanna Storm joked that the show might be back sooner than the summer, prompting a roll of the eyes from Chen. Chen then expressed her hope that the strike is settled soon.
"Big Brother" would be a perfect strike weapon for CBS since it airs three times a week, filling three key hours of primetime.
Eye execs declined comment.
Endemol USA and Allison Grodner Prods. produce "Big Brother."
http://www.variety.com/article/VR111797 ... id=14&cs=1
Production Stops on at Least 6 Sitcoms
Tuesday November 6, 3:51 pm ET
By Gary Gentile, AP Business Writer
Production Stops on at Least 6 Sitcoms As Writers' Strike Hits 2nd Day
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Production has stopped on at least six sitcoms filmed before live audiences because of the Hollywood writers strike.
"Back to You," starring Kelsey Grammer and Patricia Heaton, will not return from a planned hiatus on Wednesday. said Chris Alexander, a spokesman for 20th Century Fox Television.
Star Julia Louis-Dreyfus said production has also stopped on her CBS show, "The New Adventures of Old Christine."
In addition, the sitcoms "Til Death," which airs on Fox, and "Rules of Engagement," "Two and a Half Men" and "The Big Bang Theory," all on CBS, will also end filming, according to people familiar with production of the shows who were not authorized to be quoted and requested anonymity.
It was not immediately clear how many of the shows might already be finished.
Network officials referred calls to companies producing each show.
Reality show staffing up for early launch
By JOSEF ADALIAN
CBS may rely on its "Big Brother" as a strike contingency.
Skein, usually a summer staple, has started staffing up for an in-season run that could be on the air as soon as February, people familiar with the situation said. Indeed, in anticipation of a strike, Eye quietly began casting for the next edition of the show a few weeks ago.
Exec producer Allison Grodner is also said to be working on a new creative twist for the Julie Chen-hosted skein, in which a group of strangers lives together in a house for three months.
There's been buzz that the next edition of "Big Brother" might actually use celebrities as opposed to civilians. A long strike might work in favor of such a plan, since some celebs normally busy working on sitcoms and dramas might have some time on their hands.
Possibility of an early "Big Brother" popped up on Tuesday's edition of the Eye's "Early Show." Anchor Hanna Storm joked that the show might be back sooner than the summer, prompting a roll of the eyes from Chen. Chen then expressed her hope that the strike is settled soon.
"Big Brother" would be a perfect strike weapon for CBS since it airs three times a week, filling three key hours of primetime.
Eye execs declined comment.
Endemol USA and Allison Grodner Prods. produce "Big Brother."
http://www.variety.com/article/VR111797 ... id=14&cs=1
Production Stops on at Least 6 Sitcoms
Tuesday November 6, 3:51 pm ET
By Gary Gentile, AP Business Writer
Production Stops on at Least 6 Sitcoms As Writers' Strike Hits 2nd Day
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Production has stopped on at least six sitcoms filmed before live audiences because of the Hollywood writers strike.
"Back to You," starring Kelsey Grammer and Patricia Heaton, will not return from a planned hiatus on Wednesday. said Chris Alexander, a spokesman for 20th Century Fox Television.
Star Julia Louis-Dreyfus said production has also stopped on her CBS show, "The New Adventures of Old Christine."
In addition, the sitcoms "Til Death," which airs on Fox, and "Rules of Engagement," "Two and a Half Men" and "The Big Bang Theory," all on CBS, will also end filming, according to people familiar with production of the shows who were not authorized to be quoted and requested anonymity.
It was not immediately clear how many of the shows might already be finished.
Network officials referred calls to companies producing each show.
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Of all the new shows this year, we enjoy Big Bang Theory, Chuck and Journeyman the most. I hope all 3 come back and are not hurt by this strike. The BBT is very funny.
Rules of Engagement could just disappear and I wouldn't be upset. The characters/cast just do not seem to mesh together, even after all this time. The jokes are so cliche and the characters are also chiche - older married couple, younger engaged couple, single guy, hanger on.....etc. See, they seem like such odd combinations to hang out all the time. In real life, the 5 wouldn't spend this much time together.
Rules of Engagement could just disappear and I wouldn't be upset. The characters/cast just do not seem to mesh together, even after all this time. The jokes are so cliche and the characters are also chiche - older married couple, younger engaged couple, single guy, hanger on.....etc. See, they seem like such odd combinations to hang out all the time. In real life, the 5 wouldn't spend this much time together.
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Wasn't expecting this...
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/d ... ike-story/
Has to be new talks scheduled!!! No details yet. Can't possibly be any more bad news.
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/d ... ike-story/
Has to be new talks scheduled!!! No details yet. Can't possibly be any more bad news.
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John Stewart's production company will continue for two weeks (at least) pay the salaries of striking writers of "The Corbert Report and "The Daily Report"
The Office” showrunner Greg Daniels is picketing his own Van Nuys set and cast members – including Rainn Wilson, Jenna Fischer and John Krasinski as well as WGA members Steve Carell, B.J. Novak, Mindy Kaling and Paul Leiberstein – are not crossing the picket line. Losing its cast shuts NBC’s highest-rated sitcom down a lot faster than other series
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Production of the hit show "Desperate Housewives" and at least six sitcoms filmed before live audiences will be halted as a result of the writers strike developments that raised the stakes Tuesday in the walkout targeting movie studios and TV networks.
Producer Alexandra Cunningham said "Desperate Housewives" will stop production on Wednesday after running out of scripts. Shows that have already been completed won't last until Christmas, she said.
"It's unfortunate. We want to get back to work," Cunningham said.
Producer Alexandra Cunningham said "Desperate Housewives" will stop production on Wednesday after running out of scripts. Shows that have already been completed won't last until Christmas, she said.
"It's unfortunate. We want to get back to work," Cunningham said.
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http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/d ... er-before/
Ouch!
I thought the news couldn't get any worse, but it did *sigh* I guess I better go stockpile old TV shows and movies, everything scripted will be gone by February at the latest.
Probably no pilot season either.
Ouch!
I thought the news couldn't get any worse, but it did *sigh* I guess I better go stockpile old TV shows and movies, everything scripted will be gone by February at the latest.
Probably no pilot season either.
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Now some of the fanfic writers have joined their "brethern" in Hollywood by pledging solidarity and support by refusing to write any fanfic until the strike is over.
I kid you not. . .
I kid you not. . .
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lurker_from_nc wrote:Now some of the fanfic writers have joined their "brethern" in Hollywood by pledging solidarity and support by refusing to write any fanfic until the strike is over.
I kid you not. . .
Well right now both sides seem to be at war. This is gonna be a long one. In June the actors and directors contract is up, and they will be negotiating over the same issues. Imagine if the WGA strike is still going on them... you think it's bad now? Imagine Hollywood as a ghost town. TV is going to be much different when it's over. Another nail in the coffin for scripted TV.
This is absolutely gonna destroy the economy out there, and it's not affecting those famous people you see picketing on TV or supporting them by bringing them food and drinks either.
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