Major Terror plot foiled against U.K.-U.S. bound flights

[artist]

maybe so, right now gtalum, but if we don't continue to find ways to stop them, then one day it will be the other way around. Why do you think moderate muslims won't speak out against the radicals? Because of fear - the fear of being beheaded, etc. They know what the extremists are capable of and we need to do all we can now to stop them. I will gladly give up a few freedoms now in the hopes that my childrens futures will be relatively free from such extremists, and have even more freedom they we have had taken away, one day.

[gtalum]

I will gladly give up a few freedoms now in the hopes that my childrens futures will be relatively free from such extremists, and have even more freedom they we have had taken away, one day.

Freedoms are rarely given back once they are taken away. If you look at US history, with few exceptions we have become steadily less free since 1776. It's not a Republican or Democrat thing, it's just the way of big governments.

[Janice]

I don't see us suffering from losing any freedoms. Look at smoking, people adjusted to not smoking in public places. There are tons of stores, etc. that will not allow you to take drinks inside. We all adjust to these things. And like mentioned, you can take everything with you, just pack them in your checked luggage.

[Regit]

IThe right to take a drink on board a plane? The right to carry cologne, shampoo, or hair gel?

Think 4th Amendment.

While I do completely agree with the idea that those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither, this isn't a situation of freedom. Anyone who in this situation says, "Let's suspend the constitution for a little while to take care of it," needs to leave the country.

That being said, this isn't a case of unreasonable search and seizure, this a case of having banned items confiscated.

You have no right to carry ANYTHING on a plane. They are privately owned and the owner can tell you what you can and can't take on board. Furthermore, the government is legally allowed to regulate them and tell them what they can and can't accept on board.

The airlines can tell you that all you can do is sit bored and stare at the seat in front of you for the whole flight if they want to. Your demand to take what you want on board violates the airline's freedom.

There are a LOT of things that Americans think is a right that is, in fact, only a privilege. Taking a coke on a plane is one of them.

[Lindaloo]

Oh my gosh! Good post Regit.

[Janice]

Yes, Regit, great post.

[artist]

there were freedoms taken away during wwII and returned.

[Regit]

I don't see us suffering from losing any freedoms. Look at smoking, people adjusted to not smoking in public places. There are tons of stores, etc. that will not allow you to take drinks inside. We all adjust to these things. And like mentioned, you can take everything with you, just pack them in your checked luggage.

As I said above, these are not rights. A store is privately owned and THEY have the right to say what can and can't come on their property.

Smoking harms other people, so you have no right to do it around them. A common phrase used when discussing freedom is "Your right to swing your arm stops at the tip of my nose." In this situation it means you can smoke like a chimney as long as it harms no one else.

[zoeyann]

I'm glad that so many people in the world have different ideas. We'd all be speaking german and/or Japanese if the brave men of the US military felt that way in WW2. And we'd still be speaking English if Americans hadn't risen up in 1776.

Seriously, though, what good is life without liberty? Isn't that why we fight the terrorists instead of converting to Islam

This is a different type of war. No one here is saying not to stand up and fight against terrorists. These are people who believe they are fighting a war against the US and our friends, yet they do not walk up wearing a soldiers uniform nor or they targeting military installations or even blantly trying to invade. There is no neon light over someone's head entering a plane that blinks Terroristso precautions have to be taken with everyone. I have no doubt in my mind that you are 100% correct that these measures may not stop everyone, but right now they are doing their best to protect civilian lives.

I love our rights and freedoms, and my relatives have fought on the battlefield to protect those. But these rights and freedoms come with certain responsibilities don't they? I have thrown away more than one beverage at a stadium gate because these private enterprises feel their right to overcharge me inside superceded my right to enter with what I already had. So if people have to throw away some hairspray, a lip gloss, or a bottled water so that hopefully even one guy does not get through with an explosive it is a fair trade off until someone comes up with something better

[x-y-no]

I just read over at ABC News that the explosive they planned to use was acetone peroxide (or as I learned it peroxyacetone).

That's an odd choice to me. It's easy to make, but I never dared to try making it myself because it's unstable as heck, and it sublimes into a more unstable form over time. And unlike nitroglycerin, you can't put it in some sort of matrix to stabilize it.

There are strange gaps in the level of sophistication of this plot. Much of it is amazing, other parts are slipshod.


EDIT:

Thank you, Google ...

Here one learns that peroxyacetone isn't detectable by the nuclear quadrupole resonance devices.

Maybe these guys are more sophisticated than I gave them credit for.

[zoeyann]

well if they use the same nail polish remover I have it won't work worth a ****

[Janice]

Remember, it is not just our country, but all other countries who are putting these restrictions on their flights. Thank God they are.

[Brent]

IThe right to take a drink on board a plane? The right to carry cologne, shampoo, or hair gel?

Think 4th Amendment.

While I do completely agree with the idea that those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither, this isn't a situation of freedom. Anyone who in this situation says, "Let's suspend the constitution for a little while to take care of it," needs to leave the country.

That being said, this isn't a case of unreasonable search and seizure, this a case of having banned items confiscated.

You have no right to carry ANYTHING on a plane. They are privately owned and the owner can tell you what you can and can't take on board. Furthermore, the government is legally allowed to regulate them and tell them what they can and can't accept on board.

The airlines can tell you that all you can do is sit bored and stare at the seat in front of you for the whole flight if they want to. Your demand to take what you want on board violates the airline's freedom.

There are a LOT of things that Americans think is a right that is, in fact, only a privilege. Taking a coke on a plane is one of them.

[SouthFloridawx]

This is not directed at anyone in this thread but, BLAH BLAH BLAH... I am sick of hearing about threat levels raised and lowered and this and that. Does the media need to hype up every single time there is a terror plot or when it thwarted.

[Brent]

This is not directed at anyone in this thread but, BLAH BLAH BLAH... I am sick of hearing about threat levels raised and lowered and this and that. Does the media need to hype up every single time there is a terror plot or when it thwarted.

Yeah... The media loves these stories.

[brunota2003]

And we'd still be speaking English if Americans hadn't risen up in 1776.

If we are not speaking english then what are we speaking? looks like english to me...

[stormtruth]

This new restriction is a complete joke. Terrorists can just load the explosive gel with their regular luggage and then detonate with their cell phone on the plane. It doesn't make anyone safer. It is just a new restriction to make you FEEL safer. That's why the UK banned all bags and electronics. They can't ban electronics in the U.S. because there is so much business travel and no one would put their laptop in regular luggage. Some companies won't even allow that for security reasons. It would destroy the economy. So you really shouldn't feel safer getting on a plane now in the U.S. because you are not actually really any safer. Its just a bunch of BS from the Gov.

[brunota2003]

This new restriction is a complete joke. Terrorists can just load the explosive gel with their regular luggage and then detonate with their cell phone on the plane. It doesn't make anyone safer. It is just a new restriction to make you FEEL safer. That's why the UK banned all bags and electronics. They can't ban electronics in the U.S. because there is so much business travel and no one would put their laptop in regular luggage. Some companies won't even allow that for security reasons. It would destroy the economy. So you really shouldn't feel safer getting on a plane now in the U.S. because you are not actually really any safer. Its just a bunch of BS from the Gov.

actually, I heard on the news yesterday that they did ban electronics at some airports here in the U.S.

[Regit]

This is not directed at anyone in this thread but, BLAH BLAH BLAH... I am sick of hearing about threat levels raised and lowered and this and that. Does the media need to hype up every single time there is a terror plot or when it thwarted.

Threat level Red indicates that an attack could be imminent and warns Americans that they could have disruptions to their daily way of life. Some states have called up the national guard. Not only is this news, it is HUGE news. I do think it should be lowered from Red soon if the plot does appear to have been severely disrupted.

Now if this had come off of some vague threat and was a little closer to election day, it could probably be dismissed as petty politics, but as of now, this seems to be a serious threat.

[artist]

stormtruth - my understanding was it contained 2 parts that would be mixed on the plane to activate.