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#341 Postby bob rulz » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:22 am

kevin wrote:Well this is certainly bothersome.

I hold that MAD will keep things in check. I'm not worried about a nuclear conflict.

However there is something abhorent and wicked in a country like North Korea where millions suffer for the betterment of a small military cadre and elite. North Korea is further isolating itself from the world, and only the peasants who are in the service of the military will suffer.

I hope things change for the better. There should be one Korea, but there is only one system that works on its own merits. And it isn't Chinese funded despotism.


I don't know...North Korea said they would never use nuclear weapons first unless they were clearly threatened. And North Korea's definition of being threatened seems to be pretty lax...
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#342 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:17 am

I'm hearing this was a small nuke. Heck only 550 tons of tnt? Maybe we should should fire a warning shot about 300 miles off there coast about 1 MT nuke. That would scare them sh#!less maybe even stop them. They will find that we don't joke around.

Why do I say this? For one these people are not going to listen to us, in even more so now that they have a nuke, or nukes. We will just have to hope they do nothing(Or they care about there people). But we should use a harsher form of MAD. Which is fire the one MT nuke about 300 miles off the coast. Which will be to show them that we will bite you if you mess up. Then once doing so, then tell them to stop there nuclear progrem+Kim steping down. When doing so threaten to flaten North korea, if they don't do as we say right away. I'm pretty sure they will do as we say if we took a soild stand. Serious times call for serious measure.
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#343 Postby Aslkahuna » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:25 am

First off there's no way you are going to fire off a 1 MT nuke in the Yellow Sea because the PRC would be furious. If you fire one in the Sea of Japan, you are going to upset the Japanese since they will get the fallout given the prevailing winds this time of year. One needs to be realistic. The NKs have scientists who can tell them what we could do them-what Kim is depending upon is that neither the US or anyone else has the cojonés to do anything and he has been right so far. Iran sees this and knows that the cojonés are lacking and will now proceed with their program.

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#344 Postby brunota2003 » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:55 am

IMHO that test was a stupid move by N. Korea...the question is, what is the world going to do?
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#345 Postby Cookiely » Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:49 am

The people are starving and getting humanatarian foreign aid to feed the people and they are building and detonating nuclear bombs. Cut off aid and maybe just maybe the people will over throw this madman. Its probably wishfull thinking on my part, but what other options do we have.
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#346 Postby Nimbus » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:50 am

I can't understand why they keep coming up with nuclear test ban treaties to slow the arms race *after* a country detonates their test weapon?

Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure
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#347 Postby dougjp » Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:28 am

IMHO, there are two ways this escalation has a hope of stopping. Either China does it, or the US engages in direct talks. Same goes for Iran. I prefer the latter although its doubtful anything would come of these talks, in North Korea's case anyway, however I think direct talks with Iran might be very helpful.

The only way China will get off the fence is if things give the appearance of escalating seriously. A couple of carrier groups sailing into the area and troop escalation in S. Korea might do that. More troops in S. Korea might be necessary anyway because my biggest short term fear is conventional war caused by the north invading the south.
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#348 Postby cycloneye » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:54 am

Bush will speak shortly about the North Korea Nuclear Test.
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#349 Postby cycloneye » Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:11 am

Bush said that is unacceptable what North Korea did.Now the big question is what will happen next in terms of economic sanctions,military action or anything will be done.
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#350 Postby kevin » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:52 am

Cookiely wrote:The people are starving and getting humanatarian foreign aid to feed the people and they are building and detonating nuclear bombs. Cut off aid and maybe just maybe the people will over throw this madman. Its probably wishfull thinking on my part, but what other options do we have.
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Revolutions do not happen when people are in dire straights. They happen once people realize they are in dire straights but have bettered their lot. "The Anatomy of Revolution" by Crane Brinton explains it better.

The people of North Korea are controlled by the army. Only internal army politics can change the system, and that presents a whole slew of difficulties.
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#351 Postby cycloneye » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:27 pm

Another Test?

:uarrow: :uarrow: :uarrow:

There is new information about the posibility that North Korea may conduct another nuclear test.Read information at hypertext above.
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#352 Postby cycloneye » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:06 pm

A New Nuclear Test?

Here a little more information about this possible new nuclear test.
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#353 Postby Brent » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:21 pm

cycloneye wrote:A New Nuclear Test?

Here a little more information about this possible new nuclear test.


:roll:

They really are trying to make China mad(their only ally in the area), aren't they?
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#354 Postby Regit » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:28 pm

That's just what we want! That way, if this conflict did ever become a military effort, it might be China-led.
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#355 Postby Yarrah » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:50 pm

A local insurance company timed the release of one of their new commercials pretty badly. It's a funny one though.

Anyway, the Security Council is now discussing this topic. I wonder what the results will be. Probably more sanctions, although I'm sure that won't work; they'll just make the lives of the North-Korean people more miserably.
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#356 Postby kevin » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:51 pm

A Chinese led land blockaide with the PRC army on the North Korean border, and a US carrier maintained blockaide of the coast would be optimal. We can make them surrender their nuclear weapons. The US and China need to be able to shoot down anything leaving North Korean airspace. As of today their nuclear weapon would have to be dropped from a plane. This means we can force the end of their regime or the containment of their power without fear of nuclear conflict.

Its in everyone's interests to turn back the clock.
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#357 Postby kevin » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:53 pm

Yarrah wrote:A local insurance company timed the release of one of their new commercials pretty badly. It's a funny one though.

Anyway, the Security Council is now discussing this topic. I wonder what the results will be. Probably more sanctions, although I'm sure that won't work; they'll just make the lives of the North-Korean people more miserably.


Aid to North Korea does not go to the people. The North Koreans want non perishable aid, which they stockpile for conflict. I believe that we should probably start dropping perishable food throughout North Korea.
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#358 Postby feederband » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:01 pm

kevin wrote:
Yarrah wrote:A local insurance company timed the release of one of their new commercials pretty badly. It's a funny one though.

Anyway, the Security Council is now discussing this topic. I wonder what the results will be. Probably more sanctions, although I'm sure that won't work; they'll just make the lives of the North-Korean people more miserably.


Aid to North Korea does not go to the people. The North Koreans want non perishable aid, which they stockpile for conflict. I believe that we should probably start dropping perishable food throughout North Korea.


They would just shoot us down....I do believe this is going to end up as a bad situation...
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#359 Postby cycloneye » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:47 pm

A second test made?

Still is unclear if the second test was of a nuclear device or of conventional explosion.
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#360 Postby angelwing » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:41 pm

Was there any seismic activity recorded from the second test?
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