Cajun Mama - you are right, who are we to judge? But in situations like this, my immediate thoughts and well wishes go to the long suffering wife and their children. Not the politician. There is one mark against people that I long hold against them - cheating. Cheating is cheating and this man cheated. He threw away his career - it's over - and quite possibly his wife and kids. But then in the end, he can sleep with as many women as he wants to - he'll probably be single.
This is a major mental flaw with some men (and yes women), who think they can live a double standard, saying one thing by day and believing it, but behaving quite another way at night and in private.
And yes I speak from experience - my ex was a cheater! The pain that is caused from a spouse who cheats is like a knife into the heart. Literally.
My thoughts are with his family. This man has made his bed.
Guess I have judged him after all - sorry, it's my human nature to do so, in this one area - cheating!
Mary
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CajunMama wrote:There are worse crimes than prostitution that get slaps on the wrist. Isn't it supposedly the oldest profession in the world?
Personally i think prostitution should be legal. That said, it's not, and as I mentioned above, his usage of prostitutes creates a massive conflict of interest in his past role as NY Attorney General. Throw in the money laundering issue, and it's a big deal. If he hadn't been NY Attorney General and if he hadn't laundered money to hide his activity, I'd agree with you.
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Announcement coming in an hour... networks are saying he's going to resign
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I can't imagine him being that stupid to have used wire transfers to move payments around?
Spitzer was the attorney general at the time of the WTC fiasco and would have been responsible for the investigation.
"Broken link"
Spitzer was the attorney general at the time of the WTC fiasco and would have been responsible for the investigation.
"Broken link"
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Re: New York Governor resignation effective Monday, March 17
Prep school grad, 23, at center of Spitzer scandal
By GUY STERLING and MIKE FRASSINELLI
Newhouse News Service
Published on: 03/12/08
Six years ago, Cecil Suwal was a senior at the prestigious Blair Academy in Warren County, N.J.
She had run track and played softball at the academy, where the gray stone buildings and walls are reminiscent of a New England prep school. Her schoolmates included future National Basketball Association stars Luol Deng and Charlie Villanueva.
On Tuesday, Suwal was sitting in a New York jail cell, unable to make bail, a pivotal but overshadowed player in the prostitution scandal involving New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer.
Suwal, 23, and her boyfriend, 62-year-old Mark Brener, are charged with running the high-priced call girl ring to which Spitzer has been linked as a client.
"She's a 23-year-old girl scared out of her mind," her lawyer, Daniel Parker, said in a telephone interview. "As this case continues to spiral, I would imagine everybody who the government says is associated with it is probably more and more worried."
Suwal and Brener lived in a high-rise in Cliffside Park, N.J., that had stunning views of Manhattan — and, according to federal authorities who raided their apartment last week, $600,000 in a safe and two Israeli passports belonging to Brener.
In addition to running the day-to-day operations of the ring, according to a federal complaint, Suwal was listed as running QAT Consulting Group Inc., which offered a variety of business-related services including financial, legal marketing and office design.
It pledged, in addition to other things, to design offices using the principles of feng shui, a Chinese philosophy that seeks balance in the world. But prosecutors allege it was really a shell corporation used to funnel cash from the prostitution scheme.
Brener had worked as a financial consultant and lived briefly in South Brunswick, N.J., with his late wife, Eleanor, who died in 1997. Before that, the couple lived in a number of apartments in the Forest Hills section of Queens.
By the time he left New Jersey in 2003, at least one hospital had sought judgments against him for failing to pay his wife's medical bills.
Parker declined to discuss his client's life, but a few new details have emerged.
Until recently, her father, Fred Suwal, lived in a bucolic hamlet in upstate New York with Suwal's stepmother, Naidu. It was unclear whether Suwal was raised there, but like many Blair students, she apparently did not live in New Jersey.
Her father is the owner of several businesses in Yonkers, N.Y. Two of them, Marrs Electric and Kimber Manufacturing, are located just off the Saw Mill River Parkway in a two-story concrete building that was closed up tight Tuesday.
"I was advised not to comment, and that's what I'm going to do," Fred Suwal said several times when reached by phone Tuesday.
He is divorced from Suwal's mother, Daisy Rivers, who lives in the Bronx.
A woman who answered the door at her address Tuesday held a pit bull on a leash and insisted Daisy didn't live there. She said she knew both Daisy and Cecil but knew nothing of the troubles. The woman said she had never heard of Eliot Spitzer.
Former students at Blair were a little better tuned in to the controversy.
One, Amanda Glowacky, a 2003 graduate who excelled at softball and basketball, said she was shocked to hear the news reports about her former schoolmate.
"I don't even know how you get involved in something like that," she said of the prostitution ring. "It's a little creepy."
By GUY STERLING and MIKE FRASSINELLI
Newhouse News Service
Published on: 03/12/08
Six years ago, Cecil Suwal was a senior at the prestigious Blair Academy in Warren County, N.J.
She had run track and played softball at the academy, where the gray stone buildings and walls are reminiscent of a New England prep school. Her schoolmates included future National Basketball Association stars Luol Deng and Charlie Villanueva.
On Tuesday, Suwal was sitting in a New York jail cell, unable to make bail, a pivotal but overshadowed player in the prostitution scandal involving New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer.
Suwal, 23, and her boyfriend, 62-year-old Mark Brener, are charged with running the high-priced call girl ring to which Spitzer has been linked as a client.
"She's a 23-year-old girl scared out of her mind," her lawyer, Daniel Parker, said in a telephone interview. "As this case continues to spiral, I would imagine everybody who the government says is associated with it is probably more and more worried."
Suwal and Brener lived in a high-rise in Cliffside Park, N.J., that had stunning views of Manhattan — and, according to federal authorities who raided their apartment last week, $600,000 in a safe and two Israeli passports belonging to Brener.
In addition to running the day-to-day operations of the ring, according to a federal complaint, Suwal was listed as running QAT Consulting Group Inc., which offered a variety of business-related services including financial, legal marketing and office design.
It pledged, in addition to other things, to design offices using the principles of feng shui, a Chinese philosophy that seeks balance in the world. But prosecutors allege it was really a shell corporation used to funnel cash from the prostitution scheme.
Brener had worked as a financial consultant and lived briefly in South Brunswick, N.J., with his late wife, Eleanor, who died in 1997. Before that, the couple lived in a number of apartments in the Forest Hills section of Queens.
By the time he left New Jersey in 2003, at least one hospital had sought judgments against him for failing to pay his wife's medical bills.
Parker declined to discuss his client's life, but a few new details have emerged.
Until recently, her father, Fred Suwal, lived in a bucolic hamlet in upstate New York with Suwal's stepmother, Naidu. It was unclear whether Suwal was raised there, but like many Blair students, she apparently did not live in New Jersey.
Her father is the owner of several businesses in Yonkers, N.Y. Two of them, Marrs Electric and Kimber Manufacturing, are located just off the Saw Mill River Parkway in a two-story concrete building that was closed up tight Tuesday.
"I was advised not to comment, and that's what I'm going to do," Fred Suwal said several times when reached by phone Tuesday.
He is divorced from Suwal's mother, Daisy Rivers, who lives in the Bronx.
A woman who answered the door at her address Tuesday held a pit bull on a leash and insisted Daisy didn't live there. She said she knew both Daisy and Cecil but knew nothing of the troubles. The woman said she had never heard of Eliot Spitzer.
Former students at Blair were a little better tuned in to the controversy.
One, Amanda Glowacky, a 2003 graduate who excelled at softball and basketball, said she was shocked to hear the news reports about her former schoolmate.
"I don't even know how you get involved in something like that," she said of the prostitution ring. "It's a little creepy."
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http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/ ... signation/
In the past few days, I have begun to atone for my private failings with my wife, Silda, my children, and my entire family. The remorse I feel will always be with me. Words cannot describe how grateful I am for the love and compassion they have shown me.
From those to whom much is given, much is expected. I have been given much: the love of my family, the faith and trust of the people of New York, and the chance to lead this state. I am deeply sorry that I did not live up to what was expected of me. To every New Yorker, and to all those who believed in what I tried to stand for, I sincerely apologize.
I look at my time as governor with a sense of what might have been, but I also know that as a public servant I, and the remarkable people with whom I worked, have accomplished a great deal. There is much more to be done and I cannot allow my private failings to disrupt the public’s work.
Over the course of my public life, I have insisted, I believe correctly, that people, regardless of their position or power, take responsibility for their conduct. I can, and will, ask no less of myself. For this reason, I am resigning from the office of Governor. At Lt. Gov. Paterson’s request, the resignation will be effective Monday, March 17, a date he believes will permit an orderly transition.
I go forward with the belief, as others have said, that as human beings, our greatest glory consists not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall. As I leave public life, I will first do what I need to do to help and heal myself and my family. Then I will try once again, outside of politics, to serve the common good and to move toward the ideals and solutions which I believe can build a future of hope and opportunity for us and for our children.
I hope all of New York will join my prayer for my friend, David Paterson, as he embarks on his new mission. I thank the public once again for the privilege of service.
— Gov Eliot Spitzer
In the past few days, I have begun to atone for my private failings with my wife, Silda, my children, and my entire family. The remorse I feel will always be with me. Words cannot describe how grateful I am for the love and compassion they have shown me.
From those to whom much is given, much is expected. I have been given much: the love of my family, the faith and trust of the people of New York, and the chance to lead this state. I am deeply sorry that I did not live up to what was expected of me. To every New Yorker, and to all those who believed in what I tried to stand for, I sincerely apologize.
I look at my time as governor with a sense of what might have been, but I also know that as a public servant I, and the remarkable people with whom I worked, have accomplished a great deal. There is much more to be done and I cannot allow my private failings to disrupt the public’s work.
Over the course of my public life, I have insisted, I believe correctly, that people, regardless of their position or power, take responsibility for their conduct. I can, and will, ask no less of myself. For this reason, I am resigning from the office of Governor. At Lt. Gov. Paterson’s request, the resignation will be effective Monday, March 17, a date he believes will permit an orderly transition.
I go forward with the belief, as others have said, that as human beings, our greatest glory consists not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall. As I leave public life, I will first do what I need to do to help and heal myself and my family. Then I will try once again, outside of politics, to serve the common good and to move toward the ideals and solutions which I believe can build a future of hope and opportunity for us and for our children.
I hope all of New York will join my prayer for my friend, David Paterson, as he embarks on his new mission. I thank the public once again for the privilege of service.
— Gov Eliot Spitzer
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Spitzer Got Tripped Up Laws He Enforced
Mar 11 04:59 PM US/Eastern
By SAMANTHA GROSS and DEVLIN BARRETT
Associated Press Writers
NEW YORK (AP) - Eliot Spitzer knew how to catch bad guys by following the money.
As attorney general, he once broke up a call-girl ring and locked up 18 people on corruption, money-laundering and prostitution charges. He ruthlessly investigated the pay packages of Wall Street executives and was so familiar with shady financial maneuvers that he rose to become the top racketeering prosecutor in Manhattan.
But in the end, it appears that Spitzer may have been done in by the same behavior he built a career out of prosecuting.
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How ironic. This is not even about prostitution. I disapprove of prostitution, but I do believe it should be legalized.
Mar 11 04:59 PM US/Eastern
By SAMANTHA GROSS and DEVLIN BARRETT
Associated Press Writers
NEW YORK (AP) - Eliot Spitzer knew how to catch bad guys by following the money.
As attorney general, he once broke up a call-girl ring and locked up 18 people on corruption, money-laundering and prostitution charges. He ruthlessly investigated the pay packages of Wall Street executives and was so familiar with shady financial maneuvers that he rose to become the top racketeering prosecutor in Manhattan.
But in the end, it appears that Spitzer may have been done in by the same behavior he built a career out of prosecuting.
Full Article
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How ironic. This is not even about prostitution. I disapprove of prostitution, but I do believe it should be legalized.
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Ed Mahmoud wrote:Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:He cheated. Not only should he get criminal charges of prosecution, his wife should leave him.
And get tested. The former governor apparently didn't like safe sex, per talk on TV last night...
Yikes...
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Ed Mahmoud wrote:gtalum wrote:Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:...his wife should leave him.
I'd say that one is up to her. Aren't Christians supposed to forgive?
I don't think the Spitzers are Christians.
From Wikipedia.
Spitzer was born to Austrian Jewish parents, and raised in the affluent Riverdale section of The Bronx in New York City. His family was not particularly religious and Spitzer did not have a bar mitzvah.
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IIRC, Mosaic law permits divorce for adultery.
And, although Christians and Muslims also claim to worship the God of Abraham, the views on the nature of God/Allah are not at all identical between them. For that matter, the view of the nature of God is quite different between members of the LDS, who consider themselves Christians, and other Christians.
I'm not schooled on Jewish theology or philosophy, but listening to Michael Medved, back during the Mel Gibson drunken ranting brou-ha-ha, he states it is considered a mitzvah to offer forgiveness to someone, but only if that person is truly remorseful. Just because one is regretful that they were foolish enough to be caught is not true remorse. Medved stated it is not considered a favor to offer forgiveness to one who isn't sorry, because it reduces the motivation to repent of the wrongdoing to God.
And, although Christians and Muslims also claim to worship the God of Abraham, the views on the nature of God/Allah are not at all identical between them. For that matter, the view of the nature of God is quite different between members of the LDS, who consider themselves Christians, and other Christians.
I'm not schooled on Jewish theology or philosophy, but listening to Michael Medved, back during the Mel Gibson drunken ranting brou-ha-ha, he states it is considered a mitzvah to offer forgiveness to someone, but only if that person is truly remorseful. Just because one is regretful that they were foolish enough to be caught is not true remorse. Medved stated it is not considered a favor to offer forgiveness to one who isn't sorry, because it reduces the motivation to repent of the wrongdoing to God.
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Mrs. Spitzer was raised Baptist. I have no idea whether she converted to Judaism when she married. Given that Gov. Spitzer was raised in a non-observant household, I doubt she did.
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gtalum wrote:Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:...his wife should leave him.
I'd say that one is up to her. Aren't Christians supposed to forgive?
I can't speak for her, but sure, I'd forgive him one day... that doesn't mean I'd stay married to the slime though. Based on several Bible verses, adultery is grounds for divorce.
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Ed Mahmoud wrote:Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote:He cheated. Not only should he get criminal charges of prosecution, his wife should leave him.
And get tested. The former governor apparently didn't like safe sex, per talk on TV last night...
Eww. Eww. Eww.
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