UM...Is any of this true about BUSH??? I Sincerely Hope not

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#41 Postby opera ghost » Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:43 pm

Bah. I don't believe any politician is a role model for children. ;)

Clinton certainly didn't do any major lasting harm to the american way.
Neither has Bush.

But I'm still not going to consider either as role models... just leaders in a difficult position. Honestly- I wouldn't want anyone investigating MY past to the extent that people pull skeletons out of presidential closets....

I mean there was that time that... oh wait. I don't have to air my dirty laundry 8-)

Glass houses guys. Lots and lots of glass houses when you get into debates about the morality or the people ouside of the office.
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#42 Postby ColdFront77 » Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:47 pm

I would vote for the person, not the political party, but my father (and mother) rather have me vote for the Conservative candidate, because they usually are Pro-Life, which [of course] I agree with. That really makes it difficult to really care about all the other issues.
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#43 Postby GalvestonDuck » Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:51 pm

Here's someone who wasn't fond of W.

http://www.legacy.com/nola/LegacySubPag ... Id=1445197

Gertrude M. Jones

Word has been received that Gertrude M. Jones, 81, passed away on August 25, 2003, under the loving care of the nursing aides of Heritage Manor of Mandeville, Louisiana. She was a native of Lebanon, KY. She was a retired Vice President of Georgia International Life Insurance Company of Atlanta, GA. Her husband, Warren K. Jones predeceased her. Two daughters survive her: Dawn Hunt and her live-in boyfriend, Roland, of Mandeville, LA; and Melba Kovalak and her husband, Drew Kovalak, of Woodbury, MN. Three sisters, four grandchildren and three great grandchildren, also survive her. Funeral services were held in Louisville, KY. Memorial gifts may be made to any organization that seeks the removal of President George Bush from office.
Published in The Times-Picayune on 10/2/2003.
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#44 Postby sunnyday » Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:55 pm

Galveston, lololol! Thanks for the laugh.
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#45 Postby Stephanie » Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:58 pm

GalvestonDuck wrote:Here's someone who wasn't fond of W.

http://www.legacy.com/nola/LegacySubPag ... Id=1445197

Gertrude M. Jones

Word has been received that Gertrude M. Jones, 81, passed away on August 25, 2003, under the loving care of the nursing aides of Heritage Manor of Mandeville, Louisiana. She was a native of Lebanon, KY. She was a retired Vice President of Georgia International Life Insurance Company of Atlanta, GA. Her husband, Warren K. Jones predeceased her. Two daughters survive her: Dawn Hunt and her live-in boyfriend, Roland, of Mandeville, LA; and Melba Kovalak and her husband, Drew Kovalak, of Woodbury, MN. Three sisters, four grandchildren and three great grandchildren, also survive her. Funeral services were held in Louisville, KY. Memorial gifts may be made to any organization that seeks the removal of President George Bush from office.
Published in The Times-Picayune on 10/2/2003.


OBVIOUSLY NOT!!! :eek:
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#46 Postby Lindaloo » Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:53 pm

stormy wrote:i dont believe these things about bush, but i do about clinton. my mother is good friends with a lady who knows jennifer flowers , some of the things i have heard about clinton whould make u just sick. he has no morals. plus our economy was going down hill before bush took over. just my opinion, for what its worth.


I know her cousin who works in Mobile. She worked for an Allstate Pro Shop called Precision. I have been told some of the things he had done too. Sickening indeed.
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#47 Postby j » Wed Oct 29, 2003 10:05 am

The whole economic picture is always twisted around when Clinton and the economy are mentioned in the same breath. The facts are that the Clinton administration inherited a booming economy thanks to 12 years of Republican leadership, and by the end of Clinton's 2nd term, things were in a downward spiral once again...(can you say Jimmy Carter?).
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#48 Postby blizzard » Wed Oct 29, 2003 10:13 am

j wrote:The whole economic picture is always twisted around when Clinton and the economy are mentioned in the same breath. The facts are that the Clinton administration inherited a booming economy thanks to 12 years of Republican leadership, and by the end of Clinton's 2nd term, things were in a downward spiral once again...(can you say Jimmy Carter?).


How did I know you would come up with this propaganda? I'm sure it was Clinton who swindled all of the money from investors of Enron huh? Oh, was that one of Bush's Buddies? That was a good portion of the economic downfall.

Don't mis-read me here, I am not a Clinton Supporter, non am I a Bush Supporter. Just getting tired of all the bashing going on.

I say Jesse Ventura for President, at least he isn't a real politician.
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#49 Postby GalvestonDuck » Wed Oct 29, 2003 10:57 am

blizzard wrote:I say Jesse Ventura for President, at least he isn't a real politician.


What color feather boa would he wear for the inauguration? :wink:
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#50 Postby vbhoutex » Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:06 am

Our Commander-in-Cheif has my full confidence. That even goes along with the fact I didn't have a job for 9 months. Watch henever you see him getting on and off his various modes of transportation. He ALWAYS snaps a salute to the troops taking care of him-SOMETHING CLINTON ALMOST NEVER DID!!! 'NUFF SAID!!!
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#51 Postby j » Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:38 am

vbhoutex wrote:Our Commander-in-Cheif has my full confidence. That even goes along with the fact I didn't have a job for 9 months. Watch henever you see him getting on and off his various modes of transportation. He ALWAYS snaps a salute to the troops taking care of him-SOMETHING CLINTON ALMOST NEVER DID!!! 'NUFF SAID!!!


Great point!!!! and even more importantly...the salutes afforded Clinton were not military standard. You can't possibly command the armed forces when they don't respect you.

Reagan, Bush...these were/are leaders that had the respect of the troops. Clinton...it's a wonder his dog even respects him.
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#52 Postby blizzard » Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:41 am

GalvestonDuck wrote:
blizzard wrote:I say Jesse Ventura for President, at least he isn't a real politician.


What color feather boa would he wear for the inauguration? :wink:


I think his Hot Pink number would be a nice touch..... :lol:
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#53 Postby stormy » Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:28 pm

u go vbhoutes and j , i agree with u both totally. lindaloo i am sure u have heard alot of what i have heard, so sad and now their is a chance hillary may run, again so sad. to think we could put up another 4 years of clinton. (sure hope i dont get bashed for this )
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#54 Postby GalvestonDuck » Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:39 pm

Stormy, no one gets bashed here. :) Someone may disagree with you and argue their case, but they won't bash you. If they do, we have a great team of moderators here who take care of that. :)
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#55 Postby Rainband » Wed Oct 29, 2003 4:36 pm

stormy wrote:u go vbhoutes and j , i agree with u both totally. lindaloo i am sure u have heard alot of what i have heard, so sad and now their is a chance hillary may run, again so sad. to think we could put up another 4 years of clinton. (sure hope i dont get bashed for this )
No bashing allowed here. We are a big family and even family doesn't think alike ALL the time. Debate, as long as it's done with respect, is healthy and teaches different points of view. I myself have been influenced by some opinions..I have read here and learned somethiing in the process :wink:
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#56 Postby sunnyday » Wed Oct 29, 2003 5:20 pm

I don't think Clinton inherited a booming economy, to say the least. And, our economy is in bad shape now, for sure. Look at all the stock market losses.
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#57 Postby stormchazer » Wed Oct 29, 2003 7:02 pm

sunnyday wrote:I don't think Clinton inherited a booming economy, to say the least. And, our economy is in bad shape now, for sure. Look at all the stock market losses.


How do you think he created this economy? You are part of the boom of the 90's. In 1992, less then 10% of homes had PCs. There was no Internet, no mass storage, no wireless, no Microsoft...at least not like now. We had a technology explosion in the early 90s boosted by a 50% cut in the upper tax rate during the 80s which fueled the venture capital infusion of the 90s. The internet, which was in 5% of educators homes, in 5 years was brought to over 60% of mainstream homes or a growth rate of 35% per year. Is it a coincidence that the economy went south right along with the internet bubble bust? Add to that the fact that companies were performing accounting hocus pocus which artificially inflated the market.

Some economist will tell you that when Clinton raised Capital Gains taxes, he put a strain on capital spending and likely slowed the economy into the late 90s. Economist will tell you that actions take 3-5 years to show themselves where the economy is concerned. Thats why the Fed manipulates interest rates like they do. Ask Silicon Valley what the 90s economy was about? How bad is our economy? 95% employment, which if you attend an economics class is considered full employment. The 5% are either job changers or those who are learning new trades. Give up the Clinton economic myth!! Sorry...this is an irritation of mine.
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#58 Postby streetsoldier » Wed Oct 29, 2003 7:04 pm

Jara,

Do I sense a Business Management degree candidate here? Very nicely done, BTW.
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#59 Postby sunnyday » Wed Oct 29, 2003 7:57 pm

That's okay, Stormchaser. The "booming" Bush economy is a pet peeve of mine. How do you explain the stock market?
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#60 Postby stormchazer » Wed Oct 29, 2003 8:35 pm

sunnyday wrote:That's okay, Stormchaser. The "booming" Bush economy is a pet peeve of mine. How do you explain the stock market?


Did you read my post? Look at the market and consider this scenario:

1. Explosion of Information Technology fuels sudden expansion of a vast new economy.

2. Internet explodes and the PC becomes a common household device.

3. Venture Capitalist invest in new ideas as dot.com companies spring up overnight.

4. New business fuel expansion of value in market. Blue chip companies such as IBM, ATT baby bells, and a small expanding company call Microsoft increase value in the DOW.

5. Lower Capital gains and an exploding economy along with new tax law and the advent of 401k explode mainstream involvement in market.

6. Growth in market explodes. Grows at a rate of 300% from 92 to 97.

7. Capital Gains tax increase reduces profit taking increasing over-value of stock market.

8. Venture Capital pumped into over valued dot.coms increasing their value in market.

9. Dot.coms begin to fail. Market over-valued.

10. Venture Capitalist begin calling in loans sensing failure in their investments in weakening dot.coms.

11. Bubble burst and VC run from market.

12. Accounting scandel furthers wariness in the market.

13. Bankruptcy rate doubles in late 90s.

14. 9/11



Andrew Cassel | Corporate trauma today rooted in '90s market bubble
By Andrew Cassel
Inquirer Columnist

In early 1999, I wrote about Verticalnet, a local technology company that had gone from a wild idea to Wall Street in just three years.

The Horsham-based company's stock-market debut lit up the charts on Feb. 11, 1999. Verticalnet stock jumped 184 percent on its first day of Nasdaq trading. That day investors valued the company at $738 million - an amount that would more than triple before the bubble burst.

Verticalnet's initial public offering, or IPO, made its founders instant multimillionaires and offered a tremendous example of the rewards that were out there for creativity, energy and enterprise - all qualities the Philadelphia region could use more of.

Or so I was thinking when I wrote:

"The fact that it was astronomically successful we can attribute to the market's current rage for Internet-related business ideas. Dot-com stocks may be a mania, our own version of the 17th-century Dutch tulip-bulb craze, destined to wilt whenever investors sober up or the Fed raises interest rates - but so what? Unless you've mortgaged the kids to invest in one of these babies, it's not really something to worry about."

Mea culpa, mea culpa.

It's some comfort to be able to claim I wasn't totally swept away by the hype - there is that timely reminder about tulips, after all. It's the "so what?" that haunts me.

With every new business scandal that hits the screen - tax-cheating CEOs, book-juggling accountants, investor-scamming stock analysts or asleep-at-the-switch boards of directors - a voice in the back of my head whispers, "So what? This is what."

Turns out the irrational exuberance of 1999 was really something to worry about, very much so. And not just for the relative few who bet on those skyrocketing dot-com stocks.

Yes, about $6 trillion in paper wealth evaporated when the market turned. Verticalnet itself today sells for about 25 cents a share, putting the company's total market value around $25 million - less than 4 percent of its level on that golden day in 1999.

But that's only money. The real loss turns out to have been slightly different. With all that wealth sloshing around, responsible people lost their minds, and irresponsible people lost all restraint.

Both rewards and expectations were extraordinarily high in the late 1990s. Executives found that dancing to Wall Street's tune could produce riches almost literally beyond their wildest dreams - although those dreams were scaled up pretty quickly as well.

The atmosphere produced a range of behaviors from the merely silly - stodgy Old Economy firms promised to grow earnings 15 and 20 percent per year ad infinitum - to the borderline crooked and beyond.

As we now know, executives at Enron and elsewhere "managed earnings" - a genteel term for cooking the books - to inflate profit and hide losses, all to keep their stock prices rising. On Wall Street itself, brokerage-house analysts flogged shares they knew to be shaky.

And the accountants and others who were supposed to be watchdogs instead became enablers. At Andersen and other firms, the focus was on devising new and clever ways to dodge in the present, rather than on bringing problems to light and preserving the enterprise into the future.

It's important to keep in mind that very little of this was new. Every decade, and certainly every big bull market, has produced its share of swindlers. Yet if the indictments, earnings restatements and other revelations to date are any gauge, the '90s excesses may have been broader and involved more players than past blowouts.

What went wrong? Is this generation of American managers and professionals greedier than its predecessors, or was the recent boom just bigger and more conducive to moral slippage? Are the institutions that make and enforce business rules - many of them created in the Depression - outmoded or inadequate? Can government be trusted to fix things?

Certainly there is more than enough blame to go around. Some might even belong to otherwise skeptical columnists who were too quick to say "so what?"


Market was over-valued but has begun a slow rebound. The market like the economy is cyclical and must be corrected to account for emotion that feeds the Bear and Bull markets. Again...I am not making a personal attack and I respect your ideas. This is just way I feel.
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