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#41 Postby Anonymous » Thu Dec 25, 2003 3:05 am

I do hope you are correct and that would not happen--but this site- http://www.infowars.com/ among others suggests that this would be the scenario-my understanding is if in a code red-us stuck at home and not able to go to work-school-out at all-forced immunizations and if we did not comply, would be placed in a concentration camp-. Its extreme I know and IMHO highly unlikely...but one radio show host, Alex Jones, on the AM dial foresees this and thinks the govt is corrupt. I read (and sometimes listen) to this and think its crazy-he may even be on drugs lol. Hopefully, our Govt is really looking out for our safety, seeking our best interest, and not evil. However, there may be possible credibillity to his views because he's officially on the radio-so i dunno-what do u folks think?

Official info from whitehouse.com on code red...

Severe Condition (Red). A Severe Condition reflects a severe risk of terrorist attacks. Under most circumstances, the Protective Measures for a Severe Condition are not intended to be sustained for substantial periods of time. In addition to the Protective Measures in the previous Threat Conditions, Federal departments and agencies also should consider the following general measures in addition to the agency-specific Protective Measures that they will develop and implement:
Increasing or redirecting personnel to address critical emergency needs;
Assigning emergency response personnel and pre-positioning and mobilizing specially trained teams or resources;
Monitoring, redirecting, or constraining transportation systems; and
Closing public and government facilities.

Monitoring, redirecting, or constraining transportation systems; and
Closing public and government facilities.


That in itself is vague and may include what I am talking about-cant leave-nothing is open-ways of transportation closed so stuck home...

however....

Under most circumstances, the Protective Measures for a Severe Condition are not intended to be sustained for substantial periods of time.

this sounds about like code orange is like a 'tornado watch' red would be the warning and for a small area where the threat existed.... and may last an hour and then all clear so i dunno
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#42 Postby nystate » Thu Dec 25, 2003 7:02 am

I heard somewhere that if the decision was made to go to code red, it would only be specific cities and most likely not the whole country. For instance, NYC can be on red while the rest of the country is on orange.
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#43 Postby BEER980 » Thu Dec 25, 2003 7:51 am

Well if New Jersey went to red alert here is what would happen.

Red alert? Stay home, await word

Sunday, March 16, 2003

By TOM BALDWIN
Gannett State Bureau
TRENTON

If the nation escalates to "red alert," which is the highest in the color-coded readiness against terror, you will be assumed by authorities to be the enemy if you so much as venture outside your home, the state's anti-terror czar says.

"This state is on top of it," said Sid Caspersen, New Jersey's director of the office of counter-terrorism.

Caspersen, a former FBI agent, was briefing reporters, alongside Gov. James E. McGreevey, on Thursday, when for the first time he disclosed the realities of how a red alert would shut the state down.

A red alert would also tear away virtually all personal freedoms to move about and associate.

"Red means all noncritical functions cease," Caspersen said. "Noncritical would be almost all businesses, except health-related."

A red alert means there is a severe risk of terrorist attack, according to federal guidelines from the Department of Homeland Security.

"The state will restrict transportation and access to critical locations," says the state's new brochure on dealing with terrorism.

"You must adhere to the restrictions announced by authorities and prepare to evacuate, if instructed. Stay alert for emergency messages."

Caspersen went further than the brochure. "The government agencies would run at a very low threshold," he said.

"The state police and the emergency management people would take control over the highways.

"You literally are staying home, is what happens, unless you are required to be out. No different than if you had a state of emergency with a snowstorm."
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#44 Postby Anonymous » Thu Dec 25, 2003 8:36 am

wow~that would be a very scary situation-i could not imagine not being able to leave home :( But as beer says, this would not likely be for the whole country but select cities where the threat was and I think short lived but that depends on the situation. I guess as the report says, its like a snowstorm (or for us in Fla a hurricane).
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#45 Postby rainstorm » Thu Dec 25, 2003 8:49 am

looks like GW was on the ball, but a big mouth leaked the info

PARIS -- The U.S. government had been hoping to snag some terrorists on flights between Paris and Los Angeles before the flights were canceled and news of security concerns was publicized, a U.S. official told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.


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The French government and Air France say six flights were canceled at the urging of the U.S. Embassy in Paris. U.S. and European officials said "credible" security threats prompted the cancellations.

The flights scheduled for Wednesday and Thursday were called off because of information obtained "in the framework of the French-American fight against terrorism," the French prime minister's office said.

The U.S. official cited by the AP said Washington had been hoping to keep the negotiations confidential, adding that the hope was "that we would be able to lure some of these people in."

There was some frustration in the Department of Homeland Security that the word got out about the security concerns, the official said.

A spokesman for the French prime minister's office said the decision to cancel the flights came after U.S. authorities alerted France that "two or three" suspicious people were planning to board the flights.

French television station LCI reported that U.S. authorities believed members of al-Qaida may have been planning to board the planes.

The airline is trying to arrange accommodations for the passengers whose flights were called off. They include three flights from Paris to Los Angeles, and three return flights.

Transportation Security Administration spokesman Brian Doyle said the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has been meeting with officials from the French government in recent days over concerns about a possible terrorist attack.

Doyle said Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge has personally been involved in the briefings with the French officials, as well as officials from other nations. Doyle declined to name other countries that had been contacted.

News of the security concern comes three days after the U.S. government, citing increased "chatter" heard while monitoring terrorists, raised the nation's terrorist-attack warning level to it's second-highest stage, orange, for "high" alert.

Ridge said Monday that intelligence information indicates al-Qaida is seeking again to use planes as weapons as they did on Sept. 11, 2001. Ridge said terrorists are constantly evaluating procedures to find holes in security.

Ridge said information indicates that "extremists abroad" are anticipating "near-term attacks" that they believe will "rival or exceed" those experienced in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania on Sept. 11, 2001.

A law enforcement official who asked to remain anonymous told The Associated Press earlier this week that some intercepted communications and other intelligence mentions New York, Washington and unspecified cities on the West Coast.
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That's been a concern..

#46 Postby WXBUFFJIM » Thu Dec 25, 2003 9:07 am

Overseas flights to America with trained terrorist pilots handing the controls. It's a scary thought, but unfortunately this is the reality of the post 911 world. Security and safety concerns for Americans are top priority this holiday season and beyond until we bring these terrorist killers to justice or kill em.

But since it's XMAS day, I'll get off this terrorist issue just for a day here and hope for the best for all us Americans on this great day!!!! Merry XMAS folks.

Jim
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#47 Postby Josephine96 » Thu Dec 25, 2003 9:36 am

Yes indeed Merry Christmas to all.. :) Pray that we get through today after that scare yesterday :eek:

I'd be a little nervous if I were anywhere near LAX today :eek:
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#48 Postby Anonymous » Thu Dec 25, 2003 11:08 pm

US in row with France over terror operation

American and French officials yesterday traded mutual recriminations over the failure to snare any terrorists in the security operation that grounded six Air France flights in and out of Los Angeles.

Bush administration officials expressed frustration that al-Qa'eda operatives might have escaped capture after word leaked, early this week, of American concerns about flights from France to the United States over the Christmas period.

One official said Washington had been hoping to keep the US-French negotiations confidential, adding that the hope was that "we would be able to lure some of these people in".

However, a French interior ministry spokesman said little evidence of a terrorist plot had been found.

French authorities released seven men - one French, one American and several Algerians - whose names were found to be on US watch-lists.

The seven men were all due to board a flight on Wednesday and had been briefly questioned. French authorities found nothing to suggest the men had terrorist links.

A spokesman for the French prime minister, Jean-Pierre Raffarin, said the decision to cancel the flights came early on Christmas Eve after American authorities notified France that "two or three" suspicious people, possibly Tunisian nationals, were on the manifests of three Los Angeles-bound flights.

M Raffarin's spokesman added that the United States had threatened to refuse the planes permission to land if they took off.

A French judicial official said the name of a Tunisian national with a pilot's licence had appeared on the American list of suspicious people who might attempt to board a flight. But French intelligence officials determined that the man was in Tunisia and had no plans to leave the country.

The official added that the Tunisian had no criminal record and did not belong to any Islamic radical groups.

The cancellations, on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, stranded hundreds of passengers on both sides of the Atlantic.

US sources hit back at French scepticism, saying American intelligence agencies had intercepted e-mails from the al-Qa'eda terrorist group suggesting another September 11-style attack was being plotted for the Christmas holiday.

The al-Qa'eda messages referred specifically to Air France and even gave a flight number, officials said. Other warnings have been issued about flights by the Mexican carrier, Aeromexico, it was reported.

US officials said they fear Air France has been infiltrated by Islamic extremists and have criticised French co-operation in providing details of passengers on US-bound flights.

On Monday, the US homeland security secretary, Tom Ridge, raised the nation's terrorist-attack warning level to it's second-highest stage, orange - "high" alert.

Mr Ridge said terrorist "chatter" indicated that "extremists abroad" are anticipating "near-term attacks" that they believe will "rival or exceed" those experienced in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania on September 11, 2001.

Following the cancellations, Los Angeles airport, the nation's second busiest, was put under an extraorinary security clampdown.

Private cars were banned from dropping off passengers or picking them up at terminals and vehicles entering the complex were searched by armed police who used mirrors to inspect the undersides of cars.

The airport was the target of a millennium bomb plot almost four years ago, which was thwarted when one of the bombers was arrested after crossing into the United States from Canada with explosives in his car.

Mobile anti-aircraft missile systems have been deployed around Washington DC, and US and Canadian fighter pilots remain on high alert.

In London, police boosted security around the US embassy. Vehicles more than 7ft wide were restricted from entering surrounding streets late on Christmas Eve.

The precaution was introduced as lorries have been used in suicide attacks around the world, and against British targets in the bombings in Istanbul last month.

A Scotland Yard statement said: "This measure is being carried out in the light of worldwide events, particular current concerns about US interests and the fact that security in London remains at a high level. We would stress that this restriction is being put in place on a precautionary basis.

"We would reiterate our earlier appeals for the public to remain vigilant and aware and report anything suspicious to police."

The so-called "ring of steel" surrounding key sites in the City of London was extended earlier this month.


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#49 Postby streetsoldier » Thu Dec 25, 2003 11:20 pm

Simply put, Chirac's government does not want to admit that their airline/cargo carrier services may be "compromised".
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#50 Postby Anonymous » Fri Dec 26, 2003 2:42 am

and here is Friday's Washington Post Artice Promised by Drudge

Suspicious Passengers Questioned In France
13 Were to Fly to L.A., Have Been Released
By John Mintz and John Burgess
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, December 26, 2003; Page A01


U.S. government officials said yesterday they believe some of the passengers boarding one of the three Air France flights from Paris to Los Angeles that were canceled this week because of security concerns might have intended to hijack it and crash-land in Las Vegas or another city along its flight path.

Police in Paris questioned 13 people who had checked in for two Air France flights that were canceled Christmas Eve because of a terrorism warning from U.S. authorities, but no evidence of wrongdoing was found, the French Interior Ministry said. All 13 were released.

But U.S. officials said they are suspicious about some of the passengers who did not show up at the airport to claim their seats on the ultimately aborted Flight 68 from Paris to Los Angeles. One of those who did not appear for the Christmas Eve flight apparently is a trained pilot, one U.S. official said.

"We still have an interest in talking to those people who didn't show up," said one U.S. official knowledgeable about the investigation. "There might be more to come on this."

Despite French statements suggesting some of the American fears about the Air France flights were unfounded, [b]U.S. government officials said they believe they might have averted a terrorist attack by arranging for the flights' cancellation. Officials said they feared that al Qaeda operatives planned to hijack one of the flights and use the plane as a missile to attack a site on or near its route.

Moreover, U.S. officials said intelligence indicators suggest that al Qaeda might have set other terrorist operations in motion that do not involve aviation and are not centered in California. As on other occasions when terrorist fears are heightened, U.S. officials said their main concern is that al Qaeda might use a chemical or biological weapon, or a radiological "dirty" bomb.

"Our fear is that other things are going on" that have nothing to do with jetliner flights in or out of U.S. airports, said one U.S. official briefed on high-level intelligence. "The concern is that there still could be a lot of activity that was underway."

Another government official with access to the classified reports said U.S. security officials "are really concerned something major will happen" despite the cancellation of the three incoming and three outgoing Air France flights between Paris and Los Angeles on Christmas Eve and yesterday. One scenario embraced by a number of U.S. security officials is that al Qaeda operatives were in the final stages of planning an attack in this country, and were awaiting final direction from al Qaeda superiors to proceed.

"Government people hope that by deploying, they'll shut down whatever might have been in motion," the official said.


In Paris, French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin announced last night that Air France would operate its normal schedule today. . "The grounded flights can be resumed," he said in a statement.

U.S. officials have said they passed on to the French government names of travelers they suspected might try to commandeer the planes on the Paris-Los Angeles route in a terrorist attack.

Seven of the questioned people had checked in at Charles de Gaulle Airport in Paris for Air France Flight 68 on Christmas Eve, according to a French official. He identified them as four Americans, one German, one French and one Belgian.

The people were taken aside and questioned extensively by police, the official said. Their baggage was searched. But no sign of terrorist connections was found, he said, and all had been released by 7 a.m. Paris time yesterday. Six other passengers who showed up for Flight 70 to Los Angeles were also questioned and released.

The French official played down the Air France cancellations, calling them a "nonevent." He added, "There is no danger. . . . And if there was any, specific measures would be taken."

Since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, U.S. civilian and military air traffic controllers on the ground scrutinize the routes flown by commercial and other aircraft to ensure they do not diverge from their flight plans. Under protocols that are strictly enforced, pilots who depart from their assigned routes are contacted by radio, and if their explanations engender suspicions, military combat aircraft could be launched to intercept them.

For this reason, U.S. officials believe it is unlikely -- though not inconceivable -- that terrorists would try to divert an Air France Paris-to-Los Angeles flight to a city far from its flight path, such as New York. The Air France flights in question cross the Hudson Bay and eastern Canada before dipping down to airspace over Minnesota, and then taking a sharp southwestern swing toward Southern California.

"The only big city near this route is Las Vegas, which they would consider a nice, attractive target," one informed government official said. But officials said Los Angeles could have been the target, too.


The al Qaeda network has long considered Las Vegas to be one of its top targets for a strike because it sees the city as a citadel of Western licentiousness, U.S. officials said. Government officials said they have known for some time that al Qaeda is interested in striking at Las Vegas.

In response to these fears, Las Vegas was one of the cities where the Department of Homeland Security in recent days installed a number of outdoor air-handling sensors designed to detect biological pathogens that might be released by terrorists. The other cities where new Biowatch sensors were installed are in California, officials said.

Before this week 31 cities across the nation, including several in California, have had several hundreds of the sensors in place since March, when the U.S. invasion of Iraq prompted an orange alert.

Government officials said they also partly based their decision to raise the alert status earlier this week on the statements of an individual knowledgeable about al Qaeda operations who apparently is offering fresh information that is deemed credible.

The cooperation -- and possible chafing -- between France and the United States in the investigation is notable because France led the European opposition to the war in Iraq, and relations with the United States remain strained. But both governments have highlighted continuing cooperation against terrorism.

The Interior Ministry official said the cancellations were good publicity for that relationship. Spokesmen for both governments said Secretary of State Colin L. Powell thanked French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin for France's help in responding to the U.S. warnings.

Both governments have worried that terrorists would try to mount a high-profile attack to disrupt the holiday season.

France is also wary of a repeat of a security slip that in December 2001 allowed Richard Reid, a British citizen, to board a Miami-bound American Airlines flight in Paris with explosives concealed in his shoes. Reid was overpowered by passengers and crew members as he attempted to light fuses of the bombs and is now serving a life sentence in the United States.

In the past two days, about 700 passengers were stranded by the flight cancellations, according to Veronique Brachet, a spokeswoman for Air France.

At Los Angeles International Airport, where security is as tight as it has ever been since the Sept. 11 attacks, some of the incoming flights of Air Tahiti Nui and Aeromexico were being given special attention, aviation sources said. Upon landing, the jets were ordered to taxi to a remote gate, where passengers were questioned and their belongings searched before they were bused to an immigration terminal.

Staff writer Sara Kehaulani Goo and special correspondent Caroline Jolivet contributed to this report. Mintz reported from Washington and Burgess from Paris.
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