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#41 Postby timNms » Thu Jan 22, 2004 1:41 pm

furluvcats, that's the bottom line :) Salvation, reguardless of your religion, is the most important thing in the world.
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#42 Postby Lindaloo » Thu Jan 22, 2004 1:45 pm

Catholics do not worship Mary. We pray to Mary to intercede to Jesus because she is the Holy Mother of God. We honor her, not worship.

And regardless of what religion you practice it all boils down to one deal and that is GOD.
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#43 Postby hurricanedude » Thu Jan 22, 2004 1:48 pm

I have a copy of the catholic commandments...anyone want to see it? then you all owe me Im sorry, I did not make up anything.....so there....
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#44 Postby stormchazer » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:09 pm

hurricanedude wrote:I have a copy of the catholic commandments...anyone want to see it? then you all owe me Im sorry, I did not make up anything.....so there....


LETS SEE THEM!!
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#45 Postby hurricanedude » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:09 pm

Catholic Religion Purposely takes out
one of God's Ten Commandments




They shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.


Isaiah 45:16
Catholics love images

Catholics bow down in front of statues and pray. They love to adore the host which is a piece of bread. They light candles and pray to the dead like it does some good. They also adore relics like a dead monk's head or a dead saint's finger. We also know that they gaze upon other "sacred" objects and images like pictures of a madonna and naked baby Jesus (salvation was accomplished by THE MAN Christ Jesus). Finally we know that they think that there is some benefit of having "a Jesus" hanging on the cross in their homes so they can visualize the object of their worship. Perhaps they think the crucifix is a good luck charm. They will vehemently tell you that they don't worship the images--I've seen a picture of the pope bowing down to Mary.

The Bible says don't even make images

Well, what doth the Bible say about worshipping images? It says much my friends but today we are looking specifically at the Ten Commandments found in Exodus chapter 20. Most of us know that the Ten Commandments prohibit even making images. This poses a problem for the Catholic religion. How does it get around this?

THE CATHOLIC RELIGION CHANGES THE TEN COMMANDMENTS!
PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT. PEOPLE KEEP MISSING IT.

Even their own perverted Bibles have something that approximates the commandment to not make images, but since their leaders tell them they are too spiritually dumb to understand the Bible, they don't read it (or read it with muddy eyeballs). And so, the wicked deceitfully change the ten commandments and PUT THEM IN A BOOK SOMEWHERE OR POST THEM ON A WALL AND TELL THE PEOPLE TO MEMORIZE THEM. Of course people are going to trust their almighty priests to tell them the truth (bad move).

How can they delete a commandment and still have ten?

Some man might ask me, "If the Catholic religion deletes a commandment how do they still come up with ten commandments?

Let's compare the Catholic ten commandments to the real ten commandments from the good ol' King James Bible, that pillar of doctrinal truth (God loves the truth, you know). The following list on the Catholic side is taken from a textbook used in a Catholic school. It is titled, "Growing in Christian Morality" by Julia Ahlers, Barbara Allaire, and Carl Koch, page 40. It has both nihil obstat and imprimatur which are official declarations that a book or pamphlet is free of Catholic doctrinal error. The authors of this book know these commandments are deceitful. Look at what they say:

...These are the Ten Commandments, from Exodus, chapter 20, in the traditional way they are enumerated by Catholics They did NOT use what THEIR NRSV said, they "enumerated" them the traditional way enumerated by Catholics.
I'll let you take a look first (see if you can figure out what they deleted) and then I'll explain...

The Catholic Deception* The King James Bible
First Commandment
I, the LORD, am your God...You shall not have other gods besides me.
First Commandment
I am the LORD thy God...Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Second Commandment
You shall not take the name of the LORD, your God, in vain.
Second Commandment
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.

Third Commandment
Remember to keep holy the sabbath day.
Third Commandment
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain.

Fourth Commandment
Honor your father and your mother.
Fourth Commandment
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Fifth Commandment
You shall not kill.
Fifth Commandment
Honor thy father and thy mother.

Sixth Commandment
You shall not commit adultery.
Sixth Commandment
Thou shalt not kill.

Seventh Commandment
You shall not steal.
Seventh Commandment
Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Eighth Commandment
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Eighth Commandment
Thou shalt not steal.

Ninth Commandment
You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
Ninth Commandment
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Tenth Commandment
You shall not covet your neighbor's house.
Tenth Commandment
Thou shalt not covet.




Did you see it?

The Catholic religion deletes the second commandment and makes the 10th commandment into two. If you follow them all the way down from the second commandment you'll see the Catholic religion is always one ahead of the King James. Finally at the tenth commandment they break it into two and make it the 9th and 10th commandments. What deception! What deceit! What guile! I tell no lies here--just get out the Bible and compare. They even corrupt their own Bible by deleting the 2nd commandment!

You see the reason the Catholic religion killed people with Bibles is 'cause their deception is just too easy to see in light of God's word. Just a little more mumbo-jumbo gumbo for your consideration...



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*taken verbatim from, "Growing in Christian Morality" by Julia Ahlers, Barbara Allaire, and Carl Koch, page 40. It has both nihil obstat and imprimatur which are official declarations that a book or pamphlet is free of Catholic doctrinal error. The authors have used the NRSV--and they've even corrupted the corrupted!
What's worse is that the authors of this book know these commandments are deceitful. Look at what they say:

...These are the Ten Commandments, from Exodus, chapter 20, in the traditional way they are enumerated by Catholics:


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#46 Postby Lindaloo » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:22 pm

I am about fed up with you hurricanedude. I do not know where you get your information but I have never seen those doctored 10 commandments before. Maybe you need to attend a Catholic Mass instead of copying and pasting from an obvious Anti-Catholic website. You are a big fat disappointment.
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#47 Postby hurricanedude » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:27 pm

sorry you feel that way.......I didnt start this BS thread...I was just posting what I have grown up to learn....I never once bashed anyone just backing up my statements, did I ever say you were FLAT WRONG??? NO!!!! I just voice my opinion, Im not god so I dont judge just open to all views, we are all differnt thats what makes the world go round. Your still my bud linda.......hate me if you want....thats your decision....sorry i even responded to this IGNORANT thread........and even more sorry i may have lost a friend
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#48 Postby j » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:29 pm

Malarky!
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#49 Postby Lindaloo » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:29 pm

The Catholic Church Changed the 10 Commandments?
Um, no. The Old Testament was around long before the time of the Apostles, and the Decalogue, which is found in three different places in the Bible (Exodus 20 and Exodous 34 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21), has not been changed by the Catholic Church or by any ecclesial body I know of. Chapter and verse divisions are a medieval invention, however, and numbering systems of the Ten Words (Commandments), the manner in which they are grouped, and the "short-hand" used for them, vary among various religious groups. Exodus 20 is the version most often referred to when one speaks of the Ten Commandments.
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#50 Postby hurricanedude » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:32 pm

I take that as an unforegiven....sorry.......to lose a friend over such stupidness is MALARKY
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#51 Postby GalvestonDuck » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:32 pm

We owe YOU an apology??? I noticed how you didn't provide a link. Do you believe everything you read?? Might I suggest Snopes.com the next time someone tells you to forward an email to 7 people for good luck. :roll:

In regards to your post, it's all about which translation of Bible you use, not WHICH RELIGION! Don't try to tell me Catholics and Protestants don't both use the same various translations of the Bible.

Try this:
From the New American Bible:
1. I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me, nor carve idols for yourselves, nor bow down before them or worship them.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord, your God, in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
4. Honor your father and your mother.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness.
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's house.
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor anything else that belongs to him.


From KJV
1. I am the Lord, thy God. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything, thou shalt not bow down thyself to them nor serve them.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor thy father and thy mother.
6. Thou shalt not kill.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness.
10. Thou shalt not covet anything that is thy neighbor's.


From NIV:
I. "You shall have no other gods before me.
II. "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand [generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments.
III. "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
IV. "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
V. "Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you.
VI. "You shall not murder.
VII. "You shall not commit adultery.
VIII. "You shall not steal.
IX. "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
X. "You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."


We "adore" a piece of bread? Methodists have communion too. Why not rag on them?

We pray to the "dead?" What? You don't have faith in Heaven and God's promise of Eternal Life for us? They're not dead...they're just not of this world anymore.

We bow down in front of statues and pray? We have some aesthetically pleasing artwork and architecture. But members of other churches bow down before an alter. It's no different. They aren't praying to a piece of furniture anymore than we're praying to a statue.

We gaze upon images of the naked baby Jesus? What's that from...the ACLU complaining about Nativity Scenes or something? Of course, at Christmas, we have those and sing songs like "Away In The Manger" and "Whose Child Is This?" Don't you?

Dead saint's head or fingers? Okay, that's got to be the biggest bunch of bunk I've ever heard or it was one small case of something done by a Catholic, but not representative of ALL Catholics. It's the same as someone thinking David Koresh represents all Christian preachers or Andrea Yates is the epitome of good motherdom. Please, spare me the generalizations!

Bill explained the crucifix earlier. And like I said, crucifix, cross, WWJD bracelet. What's it really matter?
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#52 Postby hurricanedude » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:34 pm

IM THROUGH WITH THIS!!!! CONTINUE TO USE ME AS A MANTLE TO THROW STONES AT.......Im still sorry that Linda is pissed at me, as far as anything else..I dont care
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#53 Postby Lindaloo » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:35 pm

hurricanedude wrote:sorry you feel that way.......I didnt start this BS thread...I was just posting what I have grown up to learn....I never once bashed anyone just backing up my statements, did I ever say you were FLAT WRONG??? NO!!!! I just voice my opinion, Im not god so I dont judge just open to all views, we are all differnt thats what makes the world go round. Your still my bud linda.......hate me if you want....thats your decision....sorry i even responded to this IGNORANT thread........and even more sorry i may have lost a friend



We are all different yes we are. But regardless of how you are taught growing up or whatever religion you are practicing you are still praying to the same Lord Our God. I was not brought up to hate anyone. Tim just asked about the Catholic faith because he was interested in the Church. You do not even have to practice a certain religion to be with God or to pray to God.
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#54 Postby stormchazer » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:36 pm

What religion do you belong to which preaches such hate? Here is the King James Version versus you misrepresented:

20:1 And God spake all these words, saying, 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. 20:13 Thou shalt not kill. 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery. 20:15 Thou shalt not steal. 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.


Here is a link to a site that explains why different religions chose different enumerations:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04153a.htm

Remember, my misguided one, that each version of the bible is one that has been translated from its original language. I remember a lot of verses about judging others. I guess you left those verses out of your own personal beliefs. I thought of responding to your PM but I decided that some people are so misguided and judgemental as to not bother with.
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#55 Postby GalvestonDuck » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:39 pm

You posted two minutes after I posted. I take it you didn't even bother to read my post and try to understand?

BTW, I'm not addressing just you, HD. I'm addressing whoever wrote that bunk you posted and we're trying to educate you since you said you were posting what you learned growing up. Heck, I grew up thinking Paul Revere made that famous ride. Learned later that was wrong.

We don't stop learning just because we grew up. I've learned a lot from you here, HD, as well as from many other members on the board. Please, just try to read and come to an understanding instead of being so quick to condemn our faith.
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#56 Postby hurricanedude » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:42 pm

understood DUCK..........hard to teach an old dog new tricks....LOL...and Old I am
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#57 Postby stormchazer » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:42 pm

Well said Lindaloo, GD and J. The greatest gift to the world should be that of tolerance!
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#58 Postby Lindaloo » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:42 pm

Okay let's stop it right here. I understand where he is coming from. Everyone has a right to their opinions. Some people just do not understand other religions. But we all understand one thing, GOD, right hurricanedude? :)
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#59 Postby stormchazer » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:44 pm

I'll smoke from the peace pipe !
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#60 Postby Lindaloo » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:45 pm

Kewl!! Now take you a hit hurricanedude. LOL!!
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