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Stephanie
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sunny wrote:Stephanie wrote:Janice wrote:Lebanon says Italy has relayed Israeli conditions for it to stop assault on Lebanon: hand over two captured Israeli soldiers and pull back from border area.
I wonder if Lebanon actually has "control" over what Hezbollah does.
I hope this works.
I don't know Step, the way I hear it Hezbollah basically controls Lebanon...
That's what I thought.
Janice - thanks for the information on the evacuations. I'm glad that they are able to get in there and get those poor people out.
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Well, our troops are over there now trying to get the people out. I hope there are no missles aimed at the evacuations. Looks like maybe people are expecting the worse now. Someone said yesterday that it could be Monday before the troops could get in there. They are stepping things up. It will take forever to round up 25,000 people, unless they were all told to gather in a certain place. I think with all this, everyone is expecting the worse and to get these people out now.
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Janice wrote:Well, our troops are over there now trying to get the people out. I hope there are no missles aimed at the evacuations. Looks like maybe people are expecting the worse now. Someone said yesterday that it could be Monday before the troops could get in there. They are stepping things up. It will take forever to round up 25,000 people, unless they were all told to gather in a certain place. I think with all this, everyone is expecting the worse and to get these people out now.
All 25,000 won't leave(even voluntarily). Only a small percentage probably will.
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canegrl04 wrote:Jerusalem Post reporting that Israeli troops are massing in the North in response to the Haifa attack that killed 9. If this is correct,things are really about to explode into a regional war.Newt Gingrich said on Meet The Press this morning that this is ww3
WW3...Hmmmm..Still some unforeseen things would have to happen...Will Isarel hit Syria? Will then Iran get involved if that was to happen? Will other arabic country's get involved ,Jordon,Eygpt,Saudi...Those Goverments would like to stay out of it , but will there people let them stay out of it? We are equiping and training A Iraqi army ,will they stay out of it...Alot of what ifs still.
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Brent wrote:Janice wrote:Well, our troops are over there now trying to get the people out. I hope there are no missles aimed at the evacuations. Looks like maybe people are expecting the worse now. Someone said yesterday that it could be Monday before the troops could get in there. They are stepping things up. It will take forever to round up 25,000 people, unless they were all told to gather in a certain place. I think with all this, everyone is expecting the worse and to get these people out now.
All 25,000 won't leave(even voluntarily). Only a small percentage probably will.
True probably less than 2000...
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feederband wrote:canegrl04 wrote:Jerusalem Post reporting that Israeli troops are massing in the North in response to the Haifa attack that killed 9. If this is correct,things are really about to explode into a regional war.
WW3...Hmmmm..Still some unforeseen things would have to happen...Will Isarel hit Syria? Will then Iran get involved if that was to happen? Will other arabic country's get involved ,Jordon,Eygpt,Saudi...Those Goverments would like to stay out of it , but will there people let them stay out of it? We are equiping and training A Iraqi army ,will they stay out of it...Alot of what ifs still.
No. Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia will not get into it.
And Iraq cannot possibly in any way get into it.
Its impossible.
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kevin wrote:feederband wrote:canegrl04 wrote:Jerusalem Post reporting that Israeli troops are massing in the North in response to the Haifa attack that killed 9. If this is correct,things are really about to explode into a regional war.
WW3...Hmmmm..Still some unforeseen things would have to happen...Will Isarel hit Syria? Will then Iran get involved if that was to happen? Will other arabic country's get involved ,Jordon,Eygpt,Saudi...Those Goverments would like to stay out of it , but will there people let them stay out of it? We are equiping and training A Iraqi army ,will they stay out of it...Alot of what ifs still.
No. Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia will not get into it.
And Iraq cannot possibly in any way get into it.
Its impossible.
Lets hope you right...Like I said there is a bunch of what if's out there..
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The problem EVERYONE is missing here is. The Leaders of Iran and Syria don't value life like we do and will Probably use Nukes or Chemical weapons if need be. Not to mention korea. I find it amazing how so many of you say" lets handle it" or "Lets go to war" I think if you all were the ones doing the fighting your tune may change. Sorry but don't we have enough to deal with
I was one that said we need to take out Iran and wanted to explain why I feel this way. Believe me I do not like war, but Iran does not have nukes yet and they are working on them. Like you said these people do not value life the way we do and the US would be target number 1 if they were to gain nuke capability. I would hope by taking out their nuke sites NOW instead of later when they have strike capability then we can prevent them from killing alot of innocent people later. I do not believe it would be a walk in the park, but it seems like a better idea than sitting on our hands while they work on weapons to seek our destruction. There are alot of people trying to work with Iran on this issue maybe diplomacy will eventually work, but we can not allow these people to develop nukes.
I know tensions run high on this topic, so I just wanted to add that this was in no way intended to be an arguement. From your post I just got the impression that you think some of us would just think this would be an easy task and are too quick to send our servicemen into harms way. So I wanted to explain that it's not the case it is just that I beleive a preemtive strike now could save millions later.
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/ ... index.html
The evacuation of Americans from Lebanon will start shortly.
BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- A U.S. military team has arrived in Lebanon to assist in the evacuation of Americans trapped by the fighting, the U.S. Embassy confirmed Sunday.
The small group flew into Beirut on a Marine helicopter, according to U.S military sources.
The evacuation of Americans from Lebanon will start shortly.
BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- A U.S. military team has arrived in Lebanon to assist in the evacuation of Americans trapped by the fighting, the U.S. Embassy confirmed Sunday.
The small group flew into Beirut on a Marine helicopter, according to U.S military sources.
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zoeyann wrote:Sunny that is not good, I hope they are only doing so as a precaution and are ready to stand down if the situation improves. I hope your friend stays safe is your friend going to try to evac?
At this point, no. We keep hoping they will change their mind and come home. Everyone is quite worried about him.
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=33879
Report: Syria aiming VX missiles at Israel Defense source says at least 100 chemical warheads deployed
Posted: August 1, 2003
8:50 p.m. Eastern
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
Syria is aiming at least 100 long-range ballistic missiles equipped with VX – the most lethal nerve gas – at central Israel, according to a senior Israeli defense source.
Damascus now has achieved its goal of balancing Israel's nuclear advantage, said the source, quoted by Jane's Foreign Report this week.
U.S. and Israeli intelligence sources have said they believe Syria hid evidence of Saddam Hussein's deployment of weapons of mass destruction among its own arsenal of unconventional weapons.
In April, the Defense Department said Syria had conducted a series of chemical-weapons tests to exploit the transfer of Iraqi expertise.
A captured Iraqi scientist who worked in Iraq's chemical weapons program for more than a decade said Iraq had secretly sent unconventional weapons and technology to Syria since the mid-1990s, the New York Times reported in April.
In May, Jane's Intelligence Digest said Syria's scientific expertise made the existence of a biological weapons program entirely plausible.
German and Israeli sources, according to Jane's, have asserted Syria possesses and can weaponize anthrax, botulinum toxin and the toxin ricin.
In 1973, Syria allegedly received assistance and chemical agents from Egypt and had the capability to produce and weaponize sarin and VX nerve agents by 1986, as well as mustard blister agents.
Syria also was believed to have received considerable help with its delivery systems from the former Soviet Union.
The Israeli daily Ha'aretz said the U.S. believes Syrian President Bashar Assad is having difficulty controlling the advisers of his late father, former president Hafez Assad.
Bashar Assad has promised U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell he would get Syria removed from the U.S. list of states supporting terror. But the senior aides, who had little influence while the elder Assad was alive, are exploiting the younger Assad's inexperience, Ha'aretz reported. Their hardline is preventing any effort to stop the flow of weapons and money to terrorists in south Lebanon.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=33879
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Actually, those that first use their WMD (heaven forbid) arsenal will have a decided advantage.................since a use it or lose it mentality may start to creep into the military strategy of all combatants.
NOTE: Egypt has been much too quiet about this whole Lebanese thing.
Watch for news coming out of Egypt soon.
NOTE: "The Israeli daily Ha'aretz said the U.S. believes Syrian President Bashar Assad is having difficulty controlling the advisers of his late father, former president Hafez Assad.
"Bashar Assad has promised U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell he would get Syria removed from the U.S. list of states supporting terror. But the senior aides, who had little influence while the elder Assad was alive, are exploiting the younger Assad's inexperience, Ha'aretz reported. Their hardline is preventing any effort to stop the flow of weapons and money to terrorists in south Lebanon."
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http://www.janes.com/security/intern...0501_1_n.shtml
Syria's secret weapons
While the hunt for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction continues - so far without concrete results - Syria has been accused by Washington of having concealed Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons, a charge that most regional specialists regard as unfounded. Meanwhile, the Bush administration is also advancing the view that Damascus has its own chemical arsenal. JID's chemical weapons expert assesses what President Bashar Al-Assad may have at his disposal.
Syria's scientific expertise makes the existence of a biological weapons programme entirely plausible. Syria was a signatory to the Biological and Toxins Weapons Convention (BTWC) in 1974, but has yet to ratify it. German and Israeli sources have asserted that Syria possesses - and more importantly, can weaponise - Bacillus anthracis (anthrax), botulinum toxin and the toxin ricin. While other assessments do not go beyond the research and development stage for bio-weapons there is, nevertheless, a pharmaceutical industry that could support a biological programme. There is also a good deal of trading in dual-use equipment and materials with companies in several Western European countries as well as Russia and North Korea.
Meanwhile, Syria is also believed to have one of the developing world's most extensive chemical weapons programmes. In 1973, Syria allegedly received assistance and chemical agents from Egypt, and had the capability to produce and weaponise sarin and VX nerve agents by 1986, as well as mustard blister agents. Unlike several of its Arab neighbours (Iran, Iraq and Libya), Syria has never tested its chemical weapons. However, the Syrian arsenal is believed to have included hundreds of tons of chemical agents by the 1990s.
During the period that it was within the former Soviet Union's sphere of influence, Syria is believed to have received considerable help with its delivery systems. Syria's missile programme, which began in the early 1970s to counter Israel's superior conventional military capabilities, has progressed in tandem with the development of its chemical weapons.
Syria's chemical weapons capability has led to Israeli troops deployed in the area to be equipped with chemical defence equipment. However, most analysts consider that it is highly unlikely that Damascus would resort to the use of its chemical arsenal unless acting in self-defence.
Report: Syria aiming VX missiles at Israel Defense source says at least 100 chemical warheads deployed
Posted: August 1, 2003
8:50 p.m. Eastern
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
Syria is aiming at least 100 long-range ballistic missiles equipped with VX – the most lethal nerve gas – at central Israel, according to a senior Israeli defense source.
Damascus now has achieved its goal of balancing Israel's nuclear advantage, said the source, quoted by Jane's Foreign Report this week.
U.S. and Israeli intelligence sources have said they believe Syria hid evidence of Saddam Hussein's deployment of weapons of mass destruction among its own arsenal of unconventional weapons.
In April, the Defense Department said Syria had conducted a series of chemical-weapons tests to exploit the transfer of Iraqi expertise.
A captured Iraqi scientist who worked in Iraq's chemical weapons program for more than a decade said Iraq had secretly sent unconventional weapons and technology to Syria since the mid-1990s, the New York Times reported in April.
In May, Jane's Intelligence Digest said Syria's scientific expertise made the existence of a biological weapons program entirely plausible.
German and Israeli sources, according to Jane's, have asserted Syria possesses and can weaponize anthrax, botulinum toxin and the toxin ricin.
In 1973, Syria allegedly received assistance and chemical agents from Egypt and had the capability to produce and weaponize sarin and VX nerve agents by 1986, as well as mustard blister agents.
Syria also was believed to have received considerable help with its delivery systems from the former Soviet Union.
The Israeli daily Ha'aretz said the U.S. believes Syrian President Bashar Assad is having difficulty controlling the advisers of his late father, former president Hafez Assad.
Bashar Assad has promised U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell he would get Syria removed from the U.S. list of states supporting terror. But the senior aides, who had little influence while the elder Assad was alive, are exploiting the younger Assad's inexperience, Ha'aretz reported. Their hardline is preventing any effort to stop the flow of weapons and money to terrorists in south Lebanon.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=33879
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Actually, those that first use their WMD (heaven forbid) arsenal will have a decided advantage.................since a use it or lose it mentality may start to creep into the military strategy of all combatants.
NOTE: Egypt has been much too quiet about this whole Lebanese thing.
Watch for news coming out of Egypt soon.
NOTE: "The Israeli daily Ha'aretz said the U.S. believes Syrian President Bashar Assad is having difficulty controlling the advisers of his late father, former president Hafez Assad.
"Bashar Assad has promised U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell he would get Syria removed from the U.S. list of states supporting terror. But the senior aides, who had little influence while the elder Assad was alive, are exploiting the younger Assad's inexperience, Ha'aretz reported. Their hardline is preventing any effort to stop the flow of weapons and money to terrorists in south Lebanon."
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http://www.janes.com/security/intern...0501_1_n.shtml
Syria's secret weapons
While the hunt for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction continues - so far without concrete results - Syria has been accused by Washington of having concealed Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons, a charge that most regional specialists regard as unfounded. Meanwhile, the Bush administration is also advancing the view that Damascus has its own chemical arsenal. JID's chemical weapons expert assesses what President Bashar Al-Assad may have at his disposal.
Syria's scientific expertise makes the existence of a biological weapons programme entirely plausible. Syria was a signatory to the Biological and Toxins Weapons Convention (BTWC) in 1974, but has yet to ratify it. German and Israeli sources have asserted that Syria possesses - and more importantly, can weaponise - Bacillus anthracis (anthrax), botulinum toxin and the toxin ricin. While other assessments do not go beyond the research and development stage for bio-weapons there is, nevertheless, a pharmaceutical industry that could support a biological programme. There is also a good deal of trading in dual-use equipment and materials with companies in several Western European countries as well as Russia and North Korea.
Meanwhile, Syria is also believed to have one of the developing world's most extensive chemical weapons programmes. In 1973, Syria allegedly received assistance and chemical agents from Egypt, and had the capability to produce and weaponise sarin and VX nerve agents by 1986, as well as mustard blister agents. Unlike several of its Arab neighbours (Iran, Iraq and Libya), Syria has never tested its chemical weapons. However, the Syrian arsenal is believed to have included hundreds of tons of chemical agents by the 1990s.
During the period that it was within the former Soviet Union's sphere of influence, Syria is believed to have received considerable help with its delivery systems. Syria's missile programme, which began in the early 1970s to counter Israel's superior conventional military capabilities, has progressed in tandem with the development of its chemical weapons.
Syria's chemical weapons capability has led to Israeli troops deployed in the area to be equipped with chemical defence equipment. However, most analysts consider that it is highly unlikely that Damascus would resort to the use of its chemical arsenal unless acting in self-defence.
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