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#421 Postby Stratosphere747 » Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:24 pm

BEER980 wrote:It would be a dangerous game to bluff without them. I tend to think they have them or are very close. I read this speculation the other day.
Iran possesses several nuclear warheads purchased from Central Asia and the Black Sea Fleet in the 20th century. It also has up to 3 hand made plutonium bombs acquired from the North Koreans. The Chinese and Russians both know that Iran has these weapons and will use them at the point the escalation rounds become unbearable in Tehran. The Chinese especially understand, because Bejing is proliferator in chief. Those cascades in Iran are built with Pakistani, Iraqi, North Korean, Chinese technicians. The Iranians are working with the North Koreans because the warheads they aim to produce must fit on the North Korean missiles and use the North Korean warheads.


Beer...

You always provide some good insight. But I would love to see a source on this type of speculation.
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#422 Postby BEER980 » Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:13 am

Sorry Stratosphere747 this is a new source to me and at this time I can't provide much more. It is not from some conspiracy site if that is what you are worried about. I will quote the whole post for you though. I think Matt-hurricanewatcher was indicating on how open our borders are in his post. Iran does have many terror cells here so an attack of some type could be launched on our soil. Yes Iran has immense hatred to Israel and that is the underling problem here. We are getting roped in by being a strong ally of Israel.
1. Best signals source says that Tehran chief brain and strategist Rafsanjani is now in Damascus for a round of meetings with the terror camps, from the al-Assads to Nasrallah of the Hizb to the usual suspects of PFLPGC, Hamas, IJ, Al Aqsa: the topic is agreed: the struggle to liberate the Golan Heights, the West Bank, the whole of Palestine, is the same struggle as to liberate Iraq. Iran means to crush Israel and retake Palestine just as if this was the end of the second crusade.

2. The Damascus meetings turn on what is to be done to prep for the pre-empt that the Iranians aim to launch before October showdown with the UNSC. The collective attack on Israel will soften the resistance to the general assault in the Gulf region on the oilfields.

3. Rafsanjani next heads to Kuwait to warn the Sunni princes of oil that they either turn the Americans out of their back acres or they will burn with the Americans. This same message will be delivered to Bahrain and the UAE. Burn later or surrender now.

4. The Tehran regime will not wait for the expected American punch under cover of the UNSC. The IRGC will pre-empt, forcing an escalating scale of strike/counter-strike.

5. Iran possesses several nuclear warheads purchased from Central Asia and the Black Sea Fleet in the 20th century. It also has up to 3 hand made plutonium bombs acquired from the North Koreans. The Chinese and Russians both know that Iran has these weapons and will use them at the point the escalation rounds become unbearable in Tehran. The Chinese especially understand, because Bejing is proliferator in chief. Those cascades in Iran are built with Pakistani, Iraqi, North Korean, Chinese technicians. The Iranians are working with the North Koreans because the warheads they aim to produce must fit on the North Korean missiles and use the North Korean warheads.

6. The question unanswered is: Does the US State Department acknowledge that Iran is a nuclear weapon power with the capability of launching warheads on the command of the National Command Center (Ayatollah K)?

7. My Israeli signals source estimates two rounds of consultations at the UNSC through the summer months, heading to a final series of resolutions for sanctions in October. Israel is not surprised by anything so far. Israel does not know what the US president will do as the confrontation deepens into tactical options.

8. Best signals source indicates that Iran will treat any UNSC sanction as an act of war and will escalate the attacks on Israel and the US interests in the Gulf . Iran will use the oil weapon like turns of the screw. An open source suggests a possibility that the Sauds believe China will pay $90/barrel as a floor. The oil weapon will threaten the US economy first and foremost and will stagger the Bush GOP chance to retain command of Congress. Cynical question: do the Dem wannabees who are hawking the Iran-not-nuke-for-ten-years yarn count on the Bush team losing to Tehran in a catastrophe, and does this mean that the Dems will inherit a hobbled giant for a generation?

9. The UN is on a glide path to Chapter 7, Article 42. No one state can turn it off. Point of no return already passed. The Tehran regime welcomes the showdown. The Tehran regime may be manipulating the showdown.

10. Best signal identifies shooting by November election, since the Tehran regime believes that the Bush Administration cannot handle a foreign policy crisis in an election year.

11. In the event of airland battle, the winter months will bog down troop movements and will make air strikes sloppy in poor weather. Tehran believes the UN will bargain for a ceasefire that will leave Tehran triumphant in the region and the US in retreat from Iraq.

12. Endgame is acceptable up to the unknowable: Will the US national security apparatus resupply the beleaguered region with naval forces that the Iranians will strike with a nuke? What will the US response be to such a calamity?

Here is a recap of the recent war games they held.
1. You will recall that Ahmadinejad vanished from the scene for ten days in March. Now confirmed that he spent his ten days at the new Gulf Operations HQ, site of the command and control for the recent Great Prophet war games. Successful demonstration of headquarters, subordinate headquarters, linked by secure communications, linked to National Command Center at Tehran.

2. During the games, National Command Center conducted successful simulation of ballistic missile launch. This means a nuclear warhead launch. Missile type identified as Fajar 3, or Victory 3. Resembles the body of a Russian SS-4 with a mirved warhead resembling Iskander 3, likely Chinese and or Russian assist. Mirved warhead also associated with distribution to Syria.

3. Announcements of test firings by two types of underwater warheads. Both Russian designs. The cavitation weapon is likely the KV111, rebuilt, and was likely acquired from Ukraine Black Sea Fleet. The Whale torpedo demonstrated in the Straits of Hormuz is Russian design, likely from the Black Sea Fleet. The torpedo maneuvered the shallows and depths of the Straits. The Whale is built for targeting big ships, such as carriers or supertankers.

4. Rebuilt German electric boat deployed and operational in Gulf: this is smaller than German original, aimed at operations on Gulf bottom and in crowded shipping lanes. Also Kilo boats (Russian made) deployed in Indian Ocean from Mozambique to Pakistan. No information if the Kilo boats are using the silencing technology avaiable.

5. Emphasize command and control and communications for all this equipment was successful. Does this mean satellite linkage? Does this mean AWACs?

6. Area of war games operation extended from from the Iraqi coast to Straits of Hormuz. Practicing for a crisis, both blocking the Straits, assault on Gulf oil and transportation facilities.
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#423 Postby cycloneye » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:33 pm

Iran Preparing suicide volunteers

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Read the info above.They are preparing for" martyrdom missions" against U.S targets abroad and maybe on the U.S mainland.
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#424 Postby MiamiensisWx » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:36 pm

This is just what I feared would happen at times. Of course, things can change.

:( :( :( :(
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#425 Postby azsnowman » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:36 pm

"Eh.....just a scare tactic I'm afraid!"

It's Easter, OUR holiest of holidays and look what WE did to them on theirs'......

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#426 Postby spinfan4eva » Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:30 pm

This was on the Above Top Secret news --doesnt say when, just says there will be a war with Iran and to prepare

Source http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread203232/pg1

Rice tells diplomats to prepare for nuclear war

BREAKING: Rice tells diplomats to prepare for nuclear war
BREAKING: Rice tells diplomats to prepare for nuclear war -- Diplomatic staff threaten resignations and non-cooperation

Please relay this important message to as many interested parties you may consider suitable recipients, such as the U.S. and international media, elected representatives, advocacy groups, and internet discussion boards.

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I work in the office of a U.S. consulate in Europe. Earlier today, U.S. embassies and consulates within the European Union, and elsewhere, were put on notice by Secretary of State Rice to prepare for war, the worst case scenario being nuclear war. The advisory refers to an imminent nuclear attack on administrative, civilian, nuclear and militarily strategic facilities in Iran.

I am making the above core message of the communication public in the full knowledge that I could lose my job and be prosecuted by my government. However, the U.S. Department of State must first reckon with a tidal wave of resignations from the diplomatic corps, including that of the honorable and highly respected consul for whom I work. The Department of State faces a serious rebellion within its own ranks, and on an unprecedented scale.

Without a legitimate U.N. mandate, the scheduled attacks on Iranian sovereign territory represent a premeditated war crime and must therefore be rejected as unacceptable. I urge our government to reconsider its proposed assault on international law and thus avert a humanitarian catastrophe of unimagined proportions.
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#427 Postby gtalum » Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:42 pm

ATS is not exactly a reliable site. Those guys believe that he US government is covering up contact with aliens, for instance.
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#428 Postby cycloneye » Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:40 am

New questions about Iran Nuclear Program

A long article above about all of what is going in with this Iran Nuclear Standoff.
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#429 Postby Gtmalacd » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:24 am

gtalum wrote:ATS is not exactly a reliable site. Those guys believe that he US government is covering up contact with aliens, for instance.


yeah, but half the stuff you read on their actually gets posted on the news sites week late.
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#430 Postby alicia-w » Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:51 pm

shame on that govt employee for violating every oath he took in releasing sensitive NOT FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION information!!!!!
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#431 Postby cycloneye » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:56 pm

Iran may have new centrifuge

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If this is true they may make nuclear weapons in a much more faster manner.
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#432 Postby greeng13 » Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:19 pm

i for one do not entirely believe that they currently possess nukes....i would believe that their bluffing is due to the amount of chemical warfare that they more than likely do have in their possession and they have the means to deliver those with the missiles currently in their inventory as well as the missiles that they recently tested.

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#433 Postby cycloneye » Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:34 am

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12365973/

Iran's latest tough talk episode today.That Iran president is a lunatic crazy man.



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#434 Postby cycloneye » Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:23 pm

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/18/D8H2F2880.html

Bush said that all options are on the table talking about the Iran nuclear standoff.
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#435 Postby Aquawind » Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:37 pm

All Options is not good. These people admittedly wanna elimate a race from the planet and they think they are going to have nukes. They are no more trustworthy than the Extorsion freak in N Korea. I just don't think we can let them lie about development until it's to late..
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#436 Postby conestogo_flood » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:16 pm

Aquawind wrote:All Options is not good. These people admittedly wanna elimate a race from the planet and they think they are going to have nukes. They are no more trustworthy than the Extorsion freak in N Korea. I just don't think we can let them lie about development until it's to late..


That is what will happen.

Not for religious argument, but doesn't Revalations state Jerusalem will be attacked from the north at the end?
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#437 Postby GalvestonDuck » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:48 pm

Actually, it's "Revelation" (no "S") :wink:

The way I see it, Iran will probably end up ten times worse than Chernobyl. Give 'em time -- they'll blow themselves up without strapping on anything.
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#438 Postby stormie_skies » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:52 pm

I have yet to see a reliable estimation that puts a nuclear Iran any closer than 5 years away, and most say its more like 10 years.

The administration has to say that "all options are on the table." But if all options really are on the table its gonna result in people breaking rank big time if Sy Herch is even a little correct (and given the hubbub around Rumsfeld et al right now, this wouldn't be wise IMO). The idea of using tactical nukes against Iran is ridiculous on its face. Not only would it be Al Queda's dream come true, likely start a full blown regional war and make us lose any remaining scrap of dignity we might have on the international diplomatic front - the odds are against us that we would even destroy all or even most of Iran's uranium enriching equipment. We only know the location of one worksite and one set of centrifuges - if the second kind Cycloneye mentioned below does exist, we haven't a clue where it is, so at most we would be delaying their progress by a year or so. The cost-benefit analysis just doesn't fall in our favor here.

Sanctions need to be leveled against Iran - effective ones requiring the participation of everyone, including Europe and Russia. We need to do whatever is necessary to make that happen, including unilateral talks if necessary.
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#439 Postby LSU2001 » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:24 pm

Sanctions are a good idea but you must remember that Iran can respond to sanctions by blockadeing the Straits of Hormuz which Iran controls. If you think $70:00 a barrel oil is high try $100-$200 a barrel if the strait is blocked. Iran has discussed this as a possible reaction to sanctions. I believe that Iran will push the US as far as IT thinks it can without the US pushing back. I am afraid that they may underestimate G.W's resolve in this matter.JMHO
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#440 Postby BEER980 » Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:14 pm

In all reality though we can't just launch a pre-emptive nuke strike on Iran. There seems to be a real lack of hard evidence of having nuclear weapons. I can say all day long that I do believe they are close or have bought/acquired some nukes but it can't be 100% verified. An attack by us will unite all of them against us world wide.
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