Homosexual student expelled from Christian school

[sunnyday]

Re the abortion issue. The CHOICE is made when a womn sleeps with a man. After the baby is on the way, the only choice is deciding how to be the best parent possible. Killing the baby is never moral.

[sunnyday]

Re the abortion issue. The CHOICE is made when a womn sleeps with a man. After the baby is on the way, the only choice is deciding how to be the best parent possible. Killing the baby is never moral.

[opera ghost]

Okie Sunnyday- sign the truce with the rest of us We've all got different opinions, and that's just fine

[Guest]

Okay I am going to put my two cents in here!!! I have been trying to remain quiet but can't any longer.

First of all, I am a devout Catholic and not all priests are bad news and child molestors. My daughter attends a Catholic school and the same one I attended in all my 12 years. School policy "strictly prohibits homosexuality" but yet, they allowed priests to moleste young boys for decades!!! And it is not just Catholic priests that have done this, it is preachers and reverends as well of all denominations. If they would fix that problem like the Catholic church is doing now then maybe they would not be so quick to judge a kid in a religious setting. Then maybe they would all not look so darn stupid when they pull a child aside for his sexuality questions.

Sorry to all our Christians out there, but the truth is the truth.

I too am a devout Catholic Lindaloo and couldn't agree with you more on your post. Exactly the truth is the truth.

[Stephanie]

I agree too Lindaloo!

[JCT777]

Wow! Can't believe I stayed away from this topic as long as I have. On another board, there have been several threads with literally over a hundred replies each about whether being homosexual is a choice or not. Of course, there are those who will argue tooth-and-nail on both sides. I think the people who shed the most light on this are the ones who are admittedly gay. I have yet to hear one gay person tell me that they made a choice. And that includes this thread, the other board, and the 4 or 5 people I know personally who are gay. The question is - Are they all lying? If none of them can tell me when they actively decided they were gay, how am I supposed to believe there is a choice involved? And if it is a choice, is it logical to ask them to "confess their sin" and suddenly become heterosexual? Hmmmmm.

Anyway, a private school is free to set their rules. If they have a written rule in place regarding homosexuality, then they are free to expel someone who breaks the rule. Otherwise, I don't think they should be able to expel anyone based on something the school believed to be "assumed" as part of their religious belief, but is not a crime.

[stormchazer]

If homosexuality was not a choice, why would God make it a sin?

Here we go...

God also taught us in the Ten Commandments to "Love Thy Neighbor", though there's a lot of Bible-thumping people that tend to forget that one. Since when were you considered above everyone else???? Were you told to cast the first stone? I CAN'T STAND INTOLERANCE.

Don't mistake intolerance with principles. It goes back to that old "individual morals". Just because he disagrees with homosexuality does not make Derek intolerant. If he refused to serve him at McDonalds...then...he would be intolerant. It is the liberal mantra to say one is intolerant because they do not agree with the liberal opinion. In the end, we only have our own principles and to give those up makes us little more then sheep. I happen to think homosexuality is wrong, but I have on many occasion had my gay brother-in-law for dinner. Am I intolerant? Why is Derek required to be tolerant of homosexuality but you don't have to be tolerant of his faith and beliefs in his God?

[j]

as long as we are talking about choice.....try this one on for size

Does a teenager in todays world, that decides that "being" bi-sexual is cool and accepted, make that choice, or were they born that way?

[Guest]

I think they make the choice. JMO.

[stormchazer]

as long as we are talking about choice.....try this one on for size

Does a teenager in todays world, that decides that "being" bi-sexual is cool and accepted, make that choice, or were they born that way?

Tough one. There has been conjecture and some theory about genes and homosexuality. Until there is further proof, we have to assume there is choice involved. In the case above, I believe it is choice.

[JCT777]

as long as we are talking about choice.....try this one on for size

Does a teenager in todays world, that decides that "being" bi-sexual is cool and accepted, make that choice, or were they born that way?

Good question. Here is my take.

If someone is involved in any kind of sexual relationship for the sake of being "cool" and "accepted", as opposed to what they truly feel, then they are making a choice. However, if they are truly drawn to one or both genders, and this has nothing to do with being "cool" or "accepted", then I believe they were born that way.

[GalvestonDuck]

In the end, we only have our own principles and to give those up makes us little more then sheep.

Baaaaaaaaah! The Lord is my shepherd. Guess that makes me a sheep. Er, no, wait...I'm a duck. And I was a bunny for Halloween last year. Well, I'll be! I guess I'm a kid's Easter basket.

but I have on many occasion had my gay brother-in-law for dinner. Am I intolerant?

*gasp* :o No, you're Hannibal Lecter!

[stormchazer]

In the end, we only have our own principles and to give those up makes us little more then sheep.

Baaaaaaaaah! The Lord is my shepherd. Guess that makes me a sheep. Er, no, wait...I'm a duck. And I was a bunny for Halloween last year. Well, I'll be! I guess I'm a kid's Easter basket.

but I have on many occasion had my gay brother-in-law for dinner. Am I intolerant?

*gasp* :o No, you're Hannibal Lecter!

A little salt...taste good...

[OtherHD]

In the case that j put forth, it is clearly a choice.

But that does not imply that ALL bi or gay people choose who they are attracted to. Like Shawn said, did you choose to be straight? Did you wake up one day and say "Hmm, I think I will only be attracted to people of the opposite sex." Of course not. You don't CHOOSE what people you are sexually attracted to. One does not need a scientific study to see that. It's just plain, basic common sense.

I think a lot of people confuse BEING gay and being OPEN about being gay. It IS your choice whether or not you want to be open and honest about your sexuality. It IS a choice to live a lie and supress deep within something you don't want others to see. And if you ask me, that's an understandable choice, what with all the prejudice and discrimination that gays suffer though in this country. It goes back to what Johnathan said: Why would you choose to live a life where you have to face bigotry and hatred every day?

[j]

Bi-sexuality is running rampant in the schools today. I ask myself is this a way for an individual to check out which sex they find more appetizing before they rule out the other sex. You know today's kids wouldn't want to think they had missed out on something.

Yes...I'm being sarcastic, but...I'm also speaking from first hand knowledge (not personal mind you), of this very phenom in the very schoool my daughters graduated from.

Now...to be fair and balanced, it must be pointed out that the bi-sexual craze I speak of, is more widespread amongst the female students, as is to be expected. What they are exposed to by the Media and the film industry is plenty of girl-girl action (ala Britney/Madonna as an example), but not a heck of a lot of men kissing up on each other.

My point I think I'm trying to make is that somewhere along the way, a perfectly normal heterosexual decides to choose to try the other side, because it might be a good thing.

[opera ghost]

as long as we are talking about choice.....try this one on for size

Does a teenager in todays world, that decides that "being" bi-sexual is cool and accepted, make that choice, or were they born that way?

It's entirely possible to decide these things. I'm all for the genetic viewpoint BUT there's certainly nothing stopping anyone from declaring one day that they're gay or bi-sexual regardless of thier actual/natural inclinations. I had a good friend in high school who really thought he was gay. I was his cover girlfriend for 4 years with his ultra conservative family. The last time I talked to him he was the proud papa of a darling little girl and straight as can be. In HIS case- he was using his sexuality as a form of rebellion from his parents (self admitted- he apologized for any inconvenience he might have caused to me). I've seen a dozen other people where there isn't a neat little bow to tie everything up with.

Yeah- it's possible to decide to be cool and expiriment. That doens't mean that everything is a choice. I could decide that from this day forth I will be of Russian heritiage and learn Russian, think Russian- and you know somewhere in my past I have some ukranian relitives (back about 2 generations on one branh of the family tree) But that doens't make me Russian.

BUT I could probably get away with it for the rest of my life if I convinced myself and got serious about those ukranian relitives and my "heritage". Still doesn't make me Russian.

[GalvestonDuck]

If someone is involved in any kind of sexual relationship for the sake of being "cool" and "accepted", as opposed to what they truly feel, then they are making a choice. However, if they are truly drawn to one or both genders, and this has nothing to do with being "cool" or "accepted", then I believe they were born that way.

Agreed.

Now, what about transgendered people? They were born one gender and they chose to change to another gender.

On the other hand, what about the rare case of a hermaphrodite? They're born with both organs. Most of the time, the parent chooses to have one organ altered so that the child can be raised as a certain gender. What if the parent makes the wrong choice and the child feels like the opposite gender on the inside, but now he/she looks like the other on the outside? How do they rectify that? So, what if the parents have the child surgically altered to be a male, but when the child grows up, the grown surgically-altered male knows on the inside that he is a she and should have remained a she?

What about a hermaphrodite who doesn't have surgery? (Kinda freaky to think about, huh?) What if the person lives as a male and falls in love with a female? Heterosexual or not? What about the female who falls in love with the hermaphrodite? Heterosexual or not? What if the female makes love to every part of the hermaphrodite's being? Homosexual?

Is it a sin to be a hermaphrodite? They were born that way. It wasn't a choice. And God doesn't make mistakes.

[j]

this is getting way to deep dragging hermaphrodites in. There are scientific explanations for the existance of hermaphrodites. There is no scientific data to support an individual being born homosexual. I think they are most commonly referred to as "freaks of nature"(hermaphrodites that is). They occur in the animal world as well as the plant world.

I am a perfectly healthy male that loves woman and am disgusted by the very thought of a man touching me, BUT......I also believe that under the right (or wrong) environment, my preference might have very easily gone the other way if I had allowed experimentation. I do not think there is a human being alive that at one time or another, hasn't wondered in their mind what it would be like to be with the same sex. I'm suggesting that it is easier in today's world to make a decision to try the other flavor, because we are constantly being told and shown, and in some cases having it shoved straight down our throats, that it is ok to be this way.

JMO

[GalvestonDuck]

I...am disgusted by the very thought of a man touching me.

Me, too. I mean, he can touch me if he's my buddy. But sex? Ugh! No way!

I do not think there is a human being alive that at one time or another, hasn't wondered in their mind what it would be like to be with the opposite sex.

Okay, don't you mean "be with the same sex?"

If so, then wow! I know alot of women who would fess up to, at the least, wondering about it just once or who have admitted to thinking that "so-and-so" is gorgeous and sexy and someone who they *might* consider if the conditions were right. But it's so rare (and refreshing) when a guy can admit it. Even if you're thinking is that it would be experimentation or the "wrong" environment, it's not often that a guy will say something like that. Sure, they may think it also. But say it? Never.

I admire you're bravery in admitting that, J.

[Stephanie]

But j, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's okay for everyone. The point I think is that we need to accept each other for who they are and we don't have to like everything that goes on or what another person does with their life, as long as it doesn't harm someone. It doesn't mean that YOU have to "try it", just accept that another person has chosen to do so.