Well, here it goes...EDIT: back to being just friends...

[HurryKane]

Not saying it's ever going to be what it was, but we're going to try this friendship thing.

Wow. I would never say such things as she said to you, to people I consider friends, and they wouldn't say such things to me either.

You seem determined, so I will wish you luck. But be careful.

[Miss Mary]

Jeremy - huge sigh. After this post, I just can no longer reply on this thread. I've said my 2 cents worth. And I do still care but you need to care - about yourself! No one else here, just yourself, this is the time for self reflection and not take what Liz did to you. Ever again. Oops, another 2 cents worth there.

I'm done. Wishing you my best here but I simply don't have the heart to keep going over all of this. Until you demand to be treated with respect, the very respect you give, then I just don't know what else to say to you. I mean this in the kindest way possible but in a tough-love kinda way too. I highly recommend you speak with a therapist. We can only do so much, being just online friends. An in person therapist could really take the time to get to the root of the problem and sincerely help you.

Mary

[therock1811]

I know. Before everything went down, she did treat me with respect. I was the one who ultimately broke her heart and so I deserved every bit of what she said to me at the time. You want to know what she told me last night? I quote: "I never stopped loving you. Never." This was at about 2:30am. And as much as I don't know if I can say this, a part of me never stopped loving her either.

[HurryKane]

[Skywatch_NC]

Jeremy,

You probably won't totally like what I'm going to say...but for the time being just focus on your studies, enjoy being with your college friends and church friends/taking part in college and church activities, talking with your Wxbuds and enjoying your weather hobby interests, watching pro wrestling, also the Reds, Bengals and Dolphins.

((((HUG))))

Eric

[therock1811]

You know something? I sense that people are turning against me. Well I'm sticking to my guns. If y'all don't like it, fine. But I'm going to move ahead. It's not about how she said it. It's about doing the CHRISTIAN thing and forgiving.

[HurryKane]

We're not turning against you. We just think you deserve more than the way you're allowing yourself to be treated, and it's frustrating to watch.

[therock1811]

Here's the thing. As I said before, it wasn't just one sided. I gave as good as I took. Not the best thing in the world to do, I'll admit. But, this was our worst fight. It was to be expected. I've told her not to expect me to just take it. Every shot she takes at me, will result in one back and she knows that.

[alicia-w]

when you post about such an intimate detail in your life, you are allowing others to comment and offer up their opinions. even if you dont like what they have to offer, you should be genuinely grateful for their time and interest instead of getting defensive....

jmho

that's the number one reason why your love life should really be NOBODY'S business but your own.

[Brent]

Don't hurt yourself.

[therock1811]

I know. I just feel like since we've reconciled our differences, people don't like me right now. And that's fine if you don't.

[Janice]

You are going through something that I am sure everyone here has gone through. This is normal, hearts get broken. You get over pain by replacing it with something or someone else. If you start a relationship with problems right away, get out fast. It will only get worse.

Where in any of these posts do you get the idea anyone doesn't like you. We all like you and support you 100%.

[CajunMama]

Here's the thing. As I said before, it wasn't just one sided. I gave as good as I took. Not the best thing in the world to do, I'll admit. But, this was our worst fight. It was to be expected. I've told her not to expect me to just take it. Every shot she takes at me, will result in one back and she knows that.

I'm puzzled why you came on here in the first place and made it seem like Liz was such an evil person when you were witholding from us your part in the situation. We're not "against" you but you've got to realize how it sounded from the beginning. Then when we express how we feel and it isn't what you want to hear you don't think we like you. So now I don't understand what you want from us.

[Pburgh]

Jeremy, it sounds like you are on a rolling coaster. (the highest highs and the lowest lows) My advise would be to get off that coaster ride before you get sick!!! You need to come back down to earth and realize who your friends are - The people that have known you thru the years and stuck by you. We would have understood if you had told us that you gave as good as she gave. We are your friends.

Slow down my friend. Love will not pass you by if it's true love. Friendship lasts longer anyway. Fights can be an addictive adenolin rush (especially the making up part). Don't play those games. As I've told you before, you're too good for that.

((HUGS)) and prayers for you
Karan

[SouthFloridawx]

Here's the thing. As I said before, it wasn't just one sided. I gave as good as I took. Not the best thing in the world to do, I'll admit. But, this was our worst fight. It was to be expected. I've told her not to expect me to just take it. Every shot she takes at me, will result in one back and she knows that.

I'm puzzled why you came on here in the first place and made it seem like Liz was such an evil person when you were witholding from us your part in the situation. We're not "against" you but you've got to realize how it sounded from the beginning. Then when we express how we feel and it isn't what you want to hear you don't think we like you. So now I don't understand what you want from us.

I second that Kathy. If you open up to people and ask them what they think you need to tell the whole story not just what she did but, also what you did. If we don't have all the info we can't make a good judgement on the situation. No one is against you that's just what your feeling because everyone is telling you what you don't want to hear and it seems as though that's how you deal with it. Just because people aren't telling you what you want to hear doesn't mean you need to get angry with them. I think we will all still be your friends cause we understand. A lot of us have been through some rough stuff in life.

[alicia-w]

ah, the perils of youth. if i only had those things to worry about now....

remember that when you're young, you cant wait for childhood to be over. when you're grown up, you're just relieved that you were able to survive it.

[Miss Mary]

Alicia - ain't the truth! Back in HS, I had to keep my room clean, empty the litter box and get this big request, from my working mother - empty the dishwasher. Now you would have thought she wanted me to wash all the windows, do all the laundry and ironing and clean the bathrooms (I'm sure I said ewww, gross if she ever asked!). She still reminds me how I went on and on about this one household chore (not my own space). Empty the dishwasher!

Heck, now I'd gladly make that my only chore - and how!

I have a niece who's 5 but wants to be 15, like my daughter Laura. And Laura jokes - I want to be 5 again Mom, when I thought what I brought home from Kindergarten was "homework"!!!!

Maybe these are all stages in life you just can't impart wisdom on? I'm beginning to think so.

Mary

[cajungal]

Nobody is against you. But, you got to love yourself before anyone else can love you. I can sense that your self esteem is low. Otherwise you would never let anybody get you down. I suffer from the same problems. I relized that is why some of my relationships may have failed. I did not love myself and I let people treat me like total dirt. I kept taking my boyfriend back over and over. Even though he cheated on me and treated me like crap. I just did not love myself enough at the time to end it. I felt like that was all I deserved. But, I didn't. I deserve so much more and I refuse to let myself be mistreat in anyway anymore. I am single right now and will remain that way until I meet the right person. I won't let anyone walk all over me.

[therock1811]

I do love myself. And when I said WE fought too much, that was what I meant. It wasn't just her saying things about me. It was me saying things back. And they were things I regretted once I calmed down. It was never one sided. NEVER. I don't take that from anyone. Never have, never will. Bottom line is, it's my choice to forgive. It's a chance to wipe the slate clean and start over and I want that so much.

[rainstorm]

Here's the thing. As I said before, it wasn't just one sided. I gave as good as I took. Not the best thing in the world to do, I'll admit. But, this was our worst fight. It was to be expected. I've told her not to expect me to just take it. Every shot she takes at me, will result in one back and she knows that.

this isnt the description of a healthy relationship. i cant see how this will go anywhere. i think the best thing is to move on and prevent any more emotional upsets here