DNA not a match in JonBenet Ramsey murder case... whoops

[GalvestonDuck]

I wouldn't be shocked if someone else was involved in the crime with him. After all, he said he was with her when she died and that it was an accident. Has he actually said that he killed her or was he just present at her death.

And I still don't get the ransom note that looked so much like it was in Patsy's writing and the amount that was requested.

I'm sure it's sad that I still wonder about her involvement and many others may also, especially now that she's not here to defend herself.

Janice, in response to your question about why they are calling him a pedophile -- he already admitted that he was in love with Jon Benet. She was only six years old. That makes him a pedophile in my book. It doesn't necessarily make him a child molestor, until there is proof that he actually acted upon his sick feelings with a child. But having those feelings -- sexual attraction towards a child -- makes him a pedophile by most normal people's definitions. And if he was in possession of child stuff, he is considered a sex offender in my book as well.

[Janice]

Yes, you are right about his unusual feelings towards her. I am still wondering how he knew about the inside of the house and the room in the basement. He, IMO, would have had to be in that house before. It is so unusual no one heard anything that night. Maybe he drugged her unstairs to keep her quiet. I am wondering about the Professor too. It will be interesting to know his association with the family. I cannot see him just popping out of nowhere. Remember the little girl that was kidnapped from her bedroom last year and the abductor worked for the family. There is more to this story then we know. I guess I was thinking that he loved her when I made that statement. I didn't realize he said he was in love with her, that is really sick.

[Brent]

What about the Professor? They have had an ongoing investigation for several months. It is also being said that he talked to Patsy while she was on her death bed. Could she have told police about him? The DA in Boulder will say things but then say she will not go any further with details. She sure is keeping this quiet.

John Ramsey said last night they did not know the guy, which makes this even more weird. There doesn't seem to be ANY connection at all to them other than the fact that "he loved her"(must have seen her at pageants). I always thought if it wasn't the parents, it was someone the parents knew, but this doesn't seem to be that.

The house is apparently like a maze, someone just can't break in and somehow know where every room in the house is, and no one hear him(because whoever did it went from the 2nd floor to the basement then back up to the 1st floor and wrote the note).

[Janice]

Maybe their sons knew him and brought him in the house at one point.
I hope he did not have an inappropriate relationship with those boys and they were afraid to tell anyone.

[Regit]

And I still don't get the ransom note that looked so much like it was in Patsy's writing and the amount that was requested.

It's not uncommon for people to leave behind fake evidence that causes investigators to look in another direction, or causes them to simply be baffled. This way, it throws them off the track and confuses them.

The fact that it looked like her mother's handwriting is probably a coincidence.

[Janice]

I don't know the connection regarding the note, but people are wondering where he was getting all the money to travel all over Europe and Asia for the past few years. Maybe he was playing along with the parents all the time and paying him money re: the note. Maybe he was threatening their other children. People are wondering where he was getting money. Maybe from the porno things he might have been in. Sometimes parents do things they feel they should do without telling authorities.

[GalvestonDuck]

And I still don't get the ransom note that looked so much like it was in Patsy's writing and the amount that was requested.

It's not uncommon for people to leave behind fake evidence that causes investigators to look in another direction, or causes them to simply be baffled. This way, it throws them off the track and confuses them.

The fact that it looked like her mother's handwriting is probably a coincidence.

And the amount?

It wasn't necessarily fake evidence since it was initially only going to be a kidnapping. Kidnappers often do leave ransom notes.

[rainstorm]

i think its a phony confession. he says he drugged her and had sex with her yet no drugs were in her body, and if he had sex with her, it should easy to match his dna to the semen found, if any

[Cookiely]

Maybe their sons knew him and brought him in the house at one point.
I hope he did not have an inappropriate relationship with those boys and they were afraid to tell anyone.

I read in the court tv message board that he lived in the same neighborhood in Georgia as the Ramsey's. Also, the Ramsey's have been receiving email from a sicko that said he killed their child and how he did it. They have been tracking this person for some time. My suspicion is that he isn't the one who did the killing but he might know the person who did (had info the killer only knew). The media is in a feeding frenzy so everything may not be accurate. It all rests on DNA match. One of the Thai police said he drugged JonBenet and sexually assaulted her. I heard the drug test was clear but they thought a stun gun might have been used. I never ever heard that she had been assaulted. How can you use a garrot to kill someone and say it was an accident?

[Janice]

Rain..... how do you know there were no drugs in her body?

[Janice]

Maybe the professor did it? If they were emailing each other, they were close. Maybe he and his wife did it together. There have been sicko couples before.

[rainstorm]

Rain..... how do you know there were no drugs in her body?

its in the autopsy report

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jonbenet1.html

i think this is a phony confession from a nutcase. he was obsessed with the case.

and that ransom note? no one can explain that. he wrote a 3 page ransom note after he killed her . he wrote it in the house, and he wrote practice notes while in the house? and he knew the exact amount of the bonus ramsey got??

i still think the ramseys are guilty, and will think that until this guys guilt is proven

[rainstorm]

"Patsy was in hysterics. She showed Officer French a three page handwritten note. As she wept, her husband John appeared cool and collected, although he appeared to pace quite a bit.

The note began simply enough: "Mr. Ramsey," it stated. "Listen carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. We respect your business but not the country that it serves. At this time we have your daughter in our possession."

Written in block letters with a black felt-tip pen, the note had some major oddities. The author knew of John's business activities and a recent huge bonus he had received. The amount demanded for ransom was $118,000, the identical amount to his bonus. The money, the note said, was to be in $100,000 in $100 bills and the rest in $20 bills, placed in "an adequate size attaché case" (the note had an accent mark on the e for attaché, just as there is on the second e of JonBenét.) The note had details of Mr. Ramsey's career in the Navy, describing a year he spent in the Philippines at Subic Bay, called in the note the SBTC, as though the writer referred to the place often by those initials. It also had phrases such as "The delivery will be exhausting," "Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter," and "we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics," the kind of jargon popular in military memos. Finally, the note referred to him as "John" 3 times in the last paragraph, but only as Mr. Ramsey in the formal opening. Based on this evidence, it was clear that the writer of the note was a sophisticated person with a military background and intimate knowledge of John Ramsey's life.

Seven hours later, JonBenét, their lovely six-year-old daughter and a regular child-beauty pageant champion, was found, dead. Her body was sprawled on the cement floor of a windowless little room in the basement. Dressed in a white knit shirt and long underwear, there was duct tape over her mouth and a garrote made from a white cord around her throat. Another cord was around her right wrist. The body was covered with a white blanket, and her red pageant nightgown was laid beside her. She had a red-ink drawing of a heart on her left palm.

John Ramsey had found the body himself, after his wife had said, "I want you to search this house. From top to bottom." He immediately bolted to the basement, stopping at a small broken window on the north side of the house, which caused Fleet White, Mr. Ramsey's best friend, to notice the anomaly. Of course, only a midget or child could fit through the window, not likely candidates as big time kidnappers. There were a lot of rooms and corridors in the basement, but John went directly to the one where JonBenét was found.

He immediately yanked the tape from her mouth and carried her upstairs, laying her on the upstairs living room floor. As a Vanity Fair source reports, "What was interesting was when Ramsey brought the body upstairs he never cried. But when he laid her down, he started to moan, while peering around to see who was looking at him." Patsy then collapsed on top of JonBenét and began praying to Jesus. The net affect of their actions was to hinder the investigation by messing up the crime scene.

Despite the lack of the crime scene, one thing is immediately apparent: the "kidnapping" story is thoroughly implausible. Kidnappers don't make a habit of killing their ransoms, and if they do, they certainly don't leave the booty behind. Even if JonBenét was murdered in an accident, they would've dragged her corpse along and continued their extortion ploy. Furthermore, there was no sign of a forced entry, no footprints in the melting snow around the house, and, though the Ramsey's would later insist they didn't set their alarm system at night, there was no way for the "kidnappers" to know that.

Further facts began to be revealed: a "practice" ransom note was discovered, on the same legal paper as the final note. A practice note would not be carried to the premises, so that means both notes were written there, meaning that the "kidnapping" tale was a last-minute created fantasy, likely to cover up an "accidental" slaying."

i found this at another message. sorry i dont have the link. but i feel strongly this ransom note was NOT written by this man, but by one of the ramsey's.

[Janice]

Maybe the father and the accused had a relationship. Maybe that is how he knew the house and his personal information.

[sunny]

Interesting theory Janice. Something just does not add up for me....

[Janice]

Maybe the father paid him to get out of the country. Maybe that is how the accused could afford to travel. Maybe John ended their relationship and the accused took revenge.

[rainstorm]

or maybe he has read the huge num of books and articles written about the case and was able to make a realistic false confession.

i agree with the author here. if they can match his dna to semen found at the crime scene, then he is guilty

http://9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME= ... 89c01ca7bf

if they cant, i wont believe he is guilty

[GalvestonDuck]

The problem is that the autopsy doesn't say for which drugs they tested.

In the ER, when we did the standard blood alcohol and toxicology tests, they were for drugs of abuse (marijuana, opiates, methamphetamines, barbiturates, etc) and misuse (the common ones for suicide attempts - aspirin, Tylenol, tricyclics, sleep aids).

[Audrey2Katrina]

IMO, he should have already been in prison for the earlier child stuff charges and never let out.

BINGO!

A2K

[Audrey2Katrina]

I think all this speculation interesting; but unless/until there is further information (i.e. the DNA results) the rumors and speculation will abound. Perhaps he did, in fact, commit this crime--I heard on the radio, him actually confessing to the murder itself. Perhaps this is a ruse to escape Thai imprisonment. Perhaps it's all the case of just another complete whacko, who, in his obsession, is confessing to something he didn't or couldn't have done. Perhaps, one day we'll know the truth. Then again--perhaps not.

*Sigh*

A2K