Breaking news: another school shooting

[dizzyfish]

j - You are correct, this needs to be addressed and the sooner the better.
As we were watching the news yesterday - one of the newscasters asked about school security at that school. (which I thought was fairly - well - stupid) Amish community, one room school in the country. Now, in that same light, hubby looks at me and says "you have what - one?" yes, for over 3,000 students and employees. So that would be one person/gun to protect all of us! Yeah, I'd say something needs to be done. I just wish I had the answer as to what that would be.

[Brent]

Death toll is up to 5...

http://www.nbc10.com/news/9981916/detail.html

The latest was a 7-year-old taken off life support. Still one in critical condition.

[gtalum]

Food for thought:

When there was Prayer in School, there were no guns.

It's not prayer that's the problem, it's discipline. There is no discipline in schools. It's possible to have discipline without school-sanctioned prayer.

Further, there is prayer in schools. Any kid who wants to pray to any god is free to do so on their own time.

[j]

Food for thought:

When there was Prayer in School, there were no guns.

It's not prayer that's the problem, it's discipline. There is no discipline in schools. It's possible to have discipline without school-sanctioned prayer.

Further, there is prayer in schools. Any kid who wants to pray to any god is free to do so on their own time.

Sounds to me like you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I doubt there is anybody here (besides you) that doesn't get the point of what I said.

[gtalum]

Sounds to me like you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I doubt there is anybody here (besides you) that doesn't get the point of what I said.

Your point is a false implication. Correlation does not prove causation. Seizing on school shootings to bring instituional prayer back into public schools is a bad idea.

[JTD]

From CNN Breaking News:

-- Police say that the man who shot children at an Amish school told his wife
that he had molested young family members 20 years ago.

So he killed these girls because he molested girls in his past?? Huh?? What a sicko.

[j]

th

Sounds to me like you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I doubt there is anybody here (besides you) that doesn't get the point of what I said.

Your point is a false implication. Correlation does not prove causation. Seizing on school shootings to bring instituional prayer back into public schools is a bad idea.

Now you are putting words in my mouth. I was merely pointing out that in a time, when there was school prayer, there were no guns! You can draw any conclusion you wish from that but don't put words in my mouth!

I am personally in favor of personal time for each student to pray, meditate or whatever as long as it is offered.

[vbhoutex]

This thread is about the shootings at the Amish school, not about whether prayer in schools had anything to do with it or not. Let's keep it that way please.

[j]

my apologies

[Brent]

From CNN Breaking News:

-- Police say that the man who shot children at an Amish school told his wife
that he had molested young family members 20 years ago.

So he killed these girls because he molested girls in his past?? Huh?? What a sicko.

Well, to be fair, his family said they have no evidence this was actually true. Sounds like he had some serious mental issues.

[GalvestonDuck]

I don't think public schools v. homeschooling is necessarily the issue. I mean, aren't Amish schools more or less a form of homeschooling? It's within the small community and they aren't public schools, are they? (Corrent me, I could be wrong.) I know some consider "home schooling" to be when the parent actually does the teaching. But there are some home schools where a parent does the teaching to a group of children, but not all of them are that parent's children.

Besides, does this classify as a school shooting? Sure, it was a shooting in a school. But it wasn't a student or teacher going on a rampage. It wasn't someone who was supposed to be within the school environment. It was an outsider, like the Colorado case last week.

If he hadn't done it at the school, who could honestly say that he wouldn't have done it at the workplace (like so many we have heard about), at a restaurant (like the famous Luby's case), or at a church (there have been a handful of church shootings as well)?

It's just a crime that it had to happen at all. A horrible, sad, tragic act. I feel so awful for the Amish families. So many of them in the area probably only got the news by word-of-mouth since they don't get the TV or radio news like we do. To live such a calm, peaceful, simple lifestyle and then to have this grotesque attack happen. I just can't imagine....

[vbhoutex]

Your last few sentences hit home after seeing the media talking to some of the Amish this morning. they were obviously way past shell shocked and groping for how they were going to deal with all of it. I, like you, I can not imagine...!!!!

[angelwing]

Oh geez, I forgot about that, no electricity, no phones then to get flooded by the media besides all the shootings, oh man

[JonathanBelles]

funeral goes on in the next hour or so. 5000+ people expected to attend. a stretch of 3+ miles are blocked off from the procession of the hearse. the public i just leaving the funeral home while the hease has already arrived at the grave site. 16+ agencies on the scene of the burial. full tradition will take place when the last of the public arrives at the burial site.

sorry wrong shooting

[SouthFloridawx]

I was wondering if they were going to air the funeral or parts of it. I know that this may be very private but, I think it's great that they are allowing the public to come to the funeral. Anyway this is really sad and I feel for those families tonight.

[Ptarmigan]

I don't think public schools v. homeschooling is necessarily the issue. I mean, aren't Amish schools more or less a form of homeschooling? It's within the small community and they aren't public schools, are they? (Corrent me, I could be wrong.) I know some consider "home schooling" to be when the parent actually does the teaching. But there are some home schools where a parent does the teaching to a group of children, but not all of them are that parent's children.

Besides, does this classify as a school shooting? Sure, it was a shooting in a school. But it wasn't a student or teacher going on a rampage. It wasn't someone who was supposed to be within the school environment. It was an outsider, like the Colorado case last week.

If he hadn't done it at the school, who could honestly say that he wouldn't have done it at the workplace (like so many we have heard about), at a restaurant (like the famous Luby's case), or at a church (there have been a handful of church shootings as well)?

It's just a crime that it had to happen at all. A horrible, sad, tragic act. I feel so awful for the Amish families. So many of them in the area probably only got the news by word-of-mouth since they don't get the TV or radio news like we do. To live such a calm, peaceful, simple lifestyle and then to have this grotesque attack happen. I just can't imagine....

My sentiment exactly.

[MGC]

Guns are easy to get in the US. Age has no restriction if your intent is evil. All it takes is money. Despite all the laws that have been passed, gun crime is rampant. We live in a near Godless society in America now and we are getting what a small minority demanded and affirmed by the courts. NO GOD........MGC

[george_r_1961]

I heard the shooter made all the boys leave and hurt and killed the girls.
The media need to lay off the incidents. The copy cats are doing a lot of harm.

AMEN TO THAT!!!

[j]

Speaking of the funeral --- word is the war hating, in your face protest crowd will be there. What gives we these morons??

[GalvestonDuck]

Lemme guess...the oh-so-Christian-like Westboro Baptist (not) Church...er Cult? Why am I not surprised?